J-State finds itself in hole


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bluphiiijsu

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October 8, 2001

J-State finds itself in hole


By Mark Alexander
Clarion-Ledger Staff Writer

This just in . . . Alabama State has scored again.

OK, not really. But those on hand Saturday at Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium wouldn't doubt it if that were true.

The Hornets scored early and often in a mesmerizing 61-58 victory over Jackson State Saturday, leaving the Southwestern Athletic Conference's Eastern Division up for grabs in the process.

Had JSU won the game, it would've put itself in the catbird's seat in the SWAC East. Now, the Tigers' path to Birmingham becomes a little bumpier, starting with Saturday's home game against Southern University.

JSU, 3-1 overall and 2-1 in the SWAC, Alabama State and Alcorn now each have one league loss. Alabama A&M has two after Saturday's 23-20 loss at Southern.

"It doesn't matter," said JSU coach Robert Hughes after watching his team suffer its first loss of the season. "We've all got at least one loss now. We've just got to come back from this."

To do so, JSU will have to find a way to shore up a leaky defense that has given up big plays at alarming rate thus far this season. The Tigers gave up big chunks of yardage in their first three games, but were able to minimize the damage against three less-than-stellar offensive teams.

That wasn't the case Saturday, however, against an Alabama State squad running on all cylinders behind quarterback Darnell Kennedy. The Hornets kept the Tigers' defense on its heels throughout with a nice balance of running (165 yards) and passing (259 yards), and during one stretch scored touchdowns on six of seven possessions.

"It's obvious we weren't clicking until the end of the game," JSU defensive tackle Antonio Lauderdale said. "By then it was too late."

Kennedy threw five touchdown passes and now has 10 touchdown passes ? and two victories ? against JSU the last two seasons.

"We had a lot of confidence coming into the game," Kennedy said. "We knew what we could do because we did it last year against them. They (JSU) put up a lot of points but not enough."

While Alabama State was marching up and down the field, JSU was doing the same. The Tigers rolled up a season-high 723 yards, 668 coming from quarterback Robert Kent. Receivers T.C. Taylor and Lawrence Story combined for 24 catches, 415 yards and four touchdowns. But it went for naught.

"We knew it was going to be a shootout," said Kent, who threw for six touchdowns and ran for another one. "Their pace was just faster than ours."

The Tigers didn't help their cause by fumbling the ball five times, once at the Alabama State 1-yard line and once late in the game at the Alabama State 10. The Hornets didn't commit any turnovers.

"The turnovers killed us," Taylor said.

The JSU defense forced Alabama State to punt on its final three possessions, giving the Tigers a chance for a late rally. Kent hit LaDerrick Crossley on a 35-yard scoring pass with six minutes, four seconds left to make it 61-58. But the Tigers came away empty on their final two possessions.

"Once we got that quick score we thought we were going to be able to come back and win it," Kent said. "We just ran out of time."
 
I read this article earlier today and the guy, simply, has his stats all wrong. Am i the only one who noticed this? JSU is in no hole. The road to the championship, will however, be more difficult. These are the real standing in the EAST. This guy is a week behind on everyone stats except JSU. He needs to correct that. There is no tie at the top.

School
1. Jackson State (2-1)loss to Bama St.
2. Alcorn State (1-1)loss to Grambling
3. Alabama State (1-2)loss to Alcorn- Southern
4. Alabama A&M (1-3)loss to Gram- JSU- SU
5. Mississippi Valle (0-3)loss to UAPB- JSU- PV

A lot of people have let Alabama State's upset over JSU distort their view of the whole SWAC EAST picture. Don't get it twisted. The EAST title is ours to win or lose. The SWAC EAST champion will be decided in JACKSON in OCTOBER. period.
 



Noise,

The ASU/Southern game didn't count in the standings; nor did the Grambling/AAMU game. It's not completely in our hands anymore. We blew that this weekend.
 
Noize Talka

Try as you may, but the fact of the matter is we are tied in the loss column. We (Bama State) lost to Alcorn and Southern - but Southern does not count in the standings - so its just a loss, meaning our 'true' conference record is 1-1. AAMU has lost to Gram, JSU, and SU - but the Gram game didnt count in the standings - so they are 1-2. Bruh, you are really really reaching, but hope does spring eternal.

By the way, J-State games against SU and GRAM DO COUNT IN THE STANDINGS:D - so even if you are lucky enough to split those games you will be 2 games behind us in the loss column. HOLLA
 
Nose Picka,

As I pointed out to you on the SMACK Board, Bama State has ONE SWAC LOSS, JSU has ONE SWAC LOSS - TO BAMA STATE.

Translation - If Bama State wins the rest of its games, and JSU wins the rest of its games, BAMA STATE WINS THE SWAC.

PERIOD.
 
We are not concerned. JSU can handle these scrub GSU and and SU teams. I am not impressed with either. I know we can do it. Alabama State is still sorry and they will collapse like they did last year.
 
Yall were not concerned or impressed with 'Bama State either prior to Sat :emlaugh: :emlaugh:

And we might be 'sorry' - but we were not as sorry as yall on Saturday - as sorry as we are, that sorry display on Saturday October 6, 2001 - Homecoming J-State Style........it still registers as a WIN for 'Bama State - HOLLA
 
LOL, whew

Maybe yall need to take another look at the rules. ALL SWAC GAMES COUNT. I can't believe you dumb arses. ALABAMA STATE has 2 SWAC losses.

ASU loss to- Alcorn and Southern your record in the SWAC is 1-2
JSU loss to- Alabama State, Our record is 2-1.

NOW THE BREAKDOWN:
lol

At the end of each season. The teams with the 2 best CONF. records from the WEST and EAST respectively are chosen to go to the SWAC championship. Which is why AAMU went last year instead of JSU. Even though, JSU beat them, AAMU had a better CONF. record. That's right. Games against teams from the WEST DO COUNT. LOL. Do a quick review of the rules chumps. LOL.

Lol at your dumb arse.
Yea sure the Southern and Grambling games count for us, but not for yall. LOL. How dumb is that?
Man just look at the rules.

And yall were getting all excited huh. LOL. You thought you only had to beat Miss. Valley and A&M to go to the championship huh? LOL. WRONG!!!!

LOL
LOL

If both JSU and ASU win out. JSU goes to the Championship. LOL. I can understand your not being familiar with the Championship rules, since you've never had to use them. LOL.:emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh:
 
and a hush falls over the room. :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh:


Face it Bama State. That loss to Alcorn is gonna come back and bite you dead smack in the ARSE. LOL:emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh:
 
YOUR DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!

Your wrong! The ASU/Southern game does not count toward SWAC Standings.

Here is the Breakdown:

The only SWAC WESTERN DIVISION ASU games that will count toward SWAC Standings are the Texas Southern and the Ark. Pine Bluff games respectively.
By ASU have beaten JSU. The Hornets would go to the SWAC Championship Game in B'ham based on this fact. The only threat for ASU is only if Alcorn beats JSU in the Capital City Classic in November.


NOW YOU LEARN YOUR CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP BRACKETS
 
No, ASU has to play Grambling as well on November 3.
The only games that do not count are the rotating games, which is, i take it for you all, Southern. Your other 3 WEST div. games all count.
Our rotating team for this year is Texas Southern.

Now review yours, since you've never had to use them. LOL.
 
noize - you have just confirmed to me that you are bordering on being an idiot.

EVERY SWAC team has one DESIGNATED GAME that DOES NOT COUNT IN THE STANDINGS!

The Alabama State/Southern game DOES NOT COUNT in the standings.

The AAMU/Grambling game DOES NOT COUNT in the standings

The Jackson/UAPB game DOES NOT COUNT in the standings

The MVSU/TxSU game DOES NOT COUNT in the standings

The PV/Alcorn game DOES NOT COUNT in the standings.

Some schools are playing all SWAC teams, some are not, the schedules are un-balanced, therefore the conference designated that only 7 games will count toward determining the 2 divisional champions.

READING AND COMPREHENDING IS A TERRIBLE THING NOT TO DO!

And that bite on ya arse you are feeling right now Noize - well it really isnt a bite but more of a STING :emlaugh: :emlaugh: :emlaugh:

I hope you can now stop tryin to find a loophole for the rest of the season - and that you also understand a little better about how J-State really is in a hole.
 
If my memory serves me correctly ASU had this same attitude last year around this time, before picking up that sting I mean string of L's. We'll just all wait and see what happens. How about that. You had the tie breaker against us last year too and couldn't beat AAMU. lol.
There are holes all over the system. I don't have to find one. You'll just fall into one. Like you Hornets have a nack for doing year after year.

JSU will be in Birmingham CHUMP.

Alabama State has a way of just dayum finding ways to lose late in the season. We look foward to history repeating itself. LOL.
 
If Hughes and company dont sent the money for the entry fee for my FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNY IN DEC - J-STATE will NOT BE IN BHAM IN DEC 2001 - ya'll better put some pressure on him - the deadline for entry is in 2 weeks.

There are not any holes in the system playa, win the games you got and it will play itself out. BUT at this point in the game - J-STATE IS behind Bama State in the loss column because of head 2 head.

And if history does repeat itself - by the end of October J-State can start the 2002 Campaign for a Championship - after SU and Gram finish ya off.
 
Okay folks stop spewing out misinformation (and it's coming from both ends).

Conference games taken from SWACpage.com: (where all conference games are in bold) check the front page!!!

JSU (2-1)

Valley - W
AAMU - W
ASU - L
SU
GSU
PVAMU
ASU

Alcorn (1-1)

GSU - L
ASU - W
UAPB
PVAMU
MVSU
AAMU
JSU

Alabama State (1-1)

ASU - L
TxSU (rescheduled because of 9/11 tragedy)
JSU - W
UAPB
AAMU
GSU
MVSU

Everyone plays 7 conference games. According to this schedule IMO JSU has the toughest row to hoe w/ games remaining against SU, GSU, and Alcorn. Alcorn seems to have the easiest w/ PV, Valley and A&M. If they are actually an improved team these should be wins and they face off against JSU in the CCC. Alabama St. has games against A&M (always tough) and GSU that should pose problems.

According to our host, the PV/'Corn game does count and so does the Valley/TxSo game. Reading is fundamental to all of us....

Anyway the road to the SWAC East will go through Jackson, we just thought it would be decided 10/6, now we have to wait a little longer to see. Good Luck!!!!

LOL@ hughes in majiksity's flag football game!!
 



Everyone DOES NOT PLAY 7 CONFERENCE GAMES

AAMU (8)
GRAM
MVSU
TXSU
J-STATE
SU
ALABST
ALCST
UAPB

ALABAMA ST (8)
ALCST
SU
J-STATE
TXSU
UAPB
AAMU
GRAM
MVSU

ALCST (7)
GRAM
ALABST
UAPB
PV
MVSU
AAMU
J-STATE

UAPB *(9)
MVSU
SU
ALCST
TXSU
GRAM
ALABST
J-STATE
PV
AAMU

GRAM (8)
ALCST
AAMU
PV
UAPB
J-STATE
TXSU
ALABST
SU

J-STATE (8)
MVSU
AAMU
ALABST
SU
GRAM
UAPB
PV
ALCST

MVSU (8)
UAPB
AAMU
J-STATE
PV
TXSU
SU
ALCST
ALABST

PV (7)
TXSU
SU
GRAM
MVSU
ALCST
UAPB
J-STATE

SU (8)
UAPB
PV
ALABST
AAMU
J-STATE
MVSU
TXSU
GRAM

TXSU (7)
PV
AAMU
UAPB
ALABST
MVSU
GRAM
SU

With Pine Bluff playing 9 games, in addition to the J-State game not counting toward the SWAC Standings, the MVSU game probably does not count either - and I have a meeting at SWAC Headquaters tomorrow so I will check on that. Since 'Corn, Texas Southern, and PV only play 7 games - ALL OF THEIR GAMES WILL COUNT IN THE STANDINGS. And the other games that have been mentioned before still remain as not counting in the standings.

I hope this clears it up.
 
Originally posted by bluphiiijsu
October 8, 2001

J-State finds itself in hole


By Mark Alexander
Clarion-Ledger Staff Writer

This just in . . . Alabama State has scored again.
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Dude, I think Mark Alexander has been to TSPN. He referenced the "FAMU scores again" smack.
 
It doesn't for me but I believe we are talking semantics. Each SWAC team has 7 games that count in the SWAC standings that gives it it's SWAC record . That's what I am saying. It's true that you may play more conference games, shucks you could play all 9 other teams but only seven of those games would count in the standings and as your official conference record . PB may play 9 games but only SU, Alcorn, TxSo, Grambling, Ala. St., PV and A&M count towards their official SWAC record. Everyone ends up with a 7 game record as their record. No matter how many conference teams (over 7) they play. It is not factored into the standings. For instance we could have played TxSU, had we won and needed that win to get us to SCG III, we wouldn't be able to use it because it isn't an official conference game that would be factored into our record. It is an actual conference game yes, but not offical where it counts in the standings.

That's my understanding of the issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong (Anyone) Find out tommorrow and also ask what the heck is going on over there??
 
I understand Bengal E,

I thought like majeksity though, that you only have ONE rotating game and that the other 8 count, although ASU played it's rotating team this year SU. I really though it was (8). That's so screwed up. Look at Alcorn's games that count, then look at ours. I think it's time for a rule change. lol. Even ASU's is easier than ours. lol.
 
Now my computer works...

Here's what we're saying... I think.

Originally posted by majiksity
Everyone DOES NOT PLAY 7 CONFERENCE GAMES

AAMU (8)
GRAM (does not count
MVSU
TXSU
J-STATE
SU
ALABST
ALCST
UAPB
7 official games

ALABAMA ST (8)
ALCST
SU (does not count
J-STATE
TXSU
UAPB
AAMU
GRAM
MVSU
7 official games

ALCST (7)
GRAM
ALABST
UAPB
PV
MVSU
AAMU
J-STATE
All games count

UAPB *(9)
MVSU (does not count
SU
ALCST
TXSU
GRAM
ALABST
J-STATE (does not count
PV
AAMU
7 official games

GRAM (8)
ALCST
AAMU (does not count
PV
UAPB
J-STATE
TXSU
ALABST
SU
7 official games

J-STATE (8)
MVSU
AAMU
ALABST
SU
GRAM
UAPB (does not count
PV
ALCST
7 official games

MVSU (8)
UAPB (does not count
AAMU
J-STATE
PV
TXSU
SU
ALCST
ALABST
7 official games

PV (7)
TXSU
SU
GRAM
MVSU
ALCST
UAPB
J-STATE
All games count

SU (8)
UAPB
PV
ALABST (does not count
AAMU
J-STATE
MVSU
TXSU
GRAM
7 official games

TXSU (7)
PV
AAMU
UAPB
ALABST
MVSU
GRAM
SU
All games count
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Because of the rotating schedule, 7 conference games have been decided to be official. These games count in the conference standings. You may elect to play other conference teams but they will not count towards the standings, that's what I mean by 7 conference games .
 
Bengal E

Thanks for the assist on the post. I thought about it after I put it up that I should have put the games in also that didnt count.

At any rate you are correct and that is how it will play out.

I am of the opinion that all schools need to play 8 games - at least - and let all 8 count. That will still allow you to schedule 3 non-conference games. That way it cuts down all of the confusion and it balences to schedules.
 
See Noise, we're stuck because Gram and SU are big rivals. We always will play them and I'm sure one of them will always count, probably both. Now we always have to play the Bama's and 'Corn & Valley cause they're in our division. That's why we replaced TxSU with PV, (the team we had to play this year) basically trading one Houston school for another and replaced them with A&T in ATL. It works to our advantage because we get to play a stronger out of conference schedule and don't have to worry about playing PB, PV and TxSU every year. We can play the other top HBCU's or 1-A or AA PWC's. That's why if TnSU were to join the SWAC, they would still only be a conference game for us. One that may factor into the conference championship if we lost.
 
majksity,

I agree 8 is a nice even number. But you know with us that would probably mean more headaches with tiebreakers....:D

Good luck with the football tournament.. What ages? (Since I know you deal with kids)
 
I agree,
I think it should be 8 also. and all Conf. games played, should be counted. That's crazy man. Some teams won't ever have to count SU and we have to count them and GSU every year, now that ain't exactly fair. LOL. you know? The EAST is gonna get real bumpy REAL soon. I'm just curious as to how it will all play out.
 
GSU, SU, & JSU will always play becuz of the rivalry and the attendance. I admit that JSU is always our biggest home game.
I was sorta surprised to see SU drop Alcorn (a traditional SWAC rival) but sometimes Economics makes you do certain things. SU was able to add a game against Tulane in the dome.

Not trying to run SU's business, but they really could schedule their first four games each year to be home games. Think about it, They could schedule out of conference opponents with small stadiums such as Fort Valley, Tuskegee, Miles, Langston and play before sellout crowds regardless. The fans in BR would turn out just to see the jaguars play and to tailgate.

So you might never see SU play all the teams in the East unless the team not on the schedule (other than JSU) agree to come to Mumford. Actually, I was surprised that they played Al State since it was not a required game.

Speaking of which, how did that happen...they are not playing Alcorn either?
 
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