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The Panther Fan
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answer this, if you were a blue chip player and wanted to play for LSU but they signed 3 blue chippers at your same position, would you want to waste time competing for a spot or go somewhere where you can play right away.
Really, what is the difference at the schools? If your major isn't something that is super special might as play at a HBCU. A general studies degree at LSU is the same as SU.
Really, what is the difference at the schools? If your major isn't something that is super special might as play at a HBCU. A general studies degree at LSU is the same as SU.
JR
Well-Known Member
I agree with that PF. If you know that the school has already recruited people ahead of you then why bother. I wouldn't let my ego get in the way. I would go to where I could play right away or at least pretty soon. And to the point of a general studies degree being the same , I agree.
I am talking about those kids who are serious about what they want to major in as well as play ball for a good program that will allow them to show their talent on the field. Then you have to consider the school's reputation in your chosen field, no matter if you are a star or not. Why go to TXSU just because their football team is better than PV when you want to major in Engineering. My point is that a kid should look at all variables in making his decision to go to college. Whether it's a HBCU or PWC. Like I said if the kids start thinking about using these schools instead of getting used then things would be better. I know if I was wanting to major in Art History to be an art critic one day and I was an all world HS player, not to many HBCU's would be on my list. Because we just don't produce alot of those type of people. I probably would be looking at the Ivy League schools for that Major. Or somewhere like Stanford, Northwestern or ND. So as I said depending on the kid it might not make sense for him to go to an HBCU. The problem is these black kids are going to the PWCs for the wrong reasons alot of the time. But you are right if the kid can find his major at a HBCU that has a good quality football program as well then he should make that choice. That's why I chose SU for NROTC and Physics over any white school that had the same. But we must remember alot of ball players know that only a hand full of our HBCUs have their ish together. And I don't mean facilities either. We all have those problems except AAMU. I just mean we do have some sad azz coaching. If I was a Star HS basketball player , I wouldn't have no HBCU on my list. That's because we have no coaches. Even our best teams are not that good. Hampton may be the exception. So answer me this should a kid go to a HBCU when the program is garbage just because? Just asking.
I am talking about those kids who are serious about what they want to major in as well as play ball for a good program that will allow them to show their talent on the field. Then you have to consider the school's reputation in your chosen field, no matter if you are a star or not. Why go to TXSU just because their football team is better than PV when you want to major in Engineering. My point is that a kid should look at all variables in making his decision to go to college. Whether it's a HBCU or PWC. Like I said if the kids start thinking about using these schools instead of getting used then things would be better. I know if I was wanting to major in Art History to be an art critic one day and I was an all world HS player, not to many HBCU's would be on my list. Because we just don't produce alot of those type of people. I probably would be looking at the Ivy League schools for that Major. Or somewhere like Stanford, Northwestern or ND. So as I said depending on the kid it might not make sense for him to go to an HBCU. The problem is these black kids are going to the PWCs for the wrong reasons alot of the time. But you are right if the kid can find his major at a HBCU that has a good quality football program as well then he should make that choice. That's why I chose SU for NROTC and Physics over any white school that had the same. But we must remember alot of ball players know that only a hand full of our HBCUs have their ish together. And I don't mean facilities either. We all have those problems except AAMU. I just mean we do have some sad azz coaching. If I was a Star HS basketball player , I wouldn't have no HBCU on my list. That's because we have no coaches. Even our best teams are not that good. Hampton may be the exception. So answer me this should a kid go to a HBCU when the program is garbage just because? Just asking.
Robber
Consigliere
unknown,
You do realize that NCSU can give 22 more scholarships than A&T, don't you??? You do realize that after years of giving 22 more scholarships that NCSU has MORE blue chippers. That's why they are more likely to win the games. Same for any other I-A squad over a I-AA squad. They got more blue chippers.
I'm just wondering how Darnell Kennedy wound up at Bama State. He was too damn good to waste his time at an HBCU. I wonder what went wrong???
You do realize that NCSU can give 22 more scholarships than A&T, don't you??? You do realize that after years of giving 22 more scholarships that NCSU has MORE blue chippers. That's why they are more likely to win the games. Same for any other I-A squad over a I-AA squad. They got more blue chippers.
I'm just wondering how Darnell Kennedy wound up at Bama State. He was too damn good to waste his time at an HBCU. I wonder what went wrong???
bornthrilla
Proud ***** of JSU
I'm still wondering why these cats bothered to go to a HBCU themselves.
Obviously, they feel it is an inferior institution of highr learning.
Obviously, they feel it is an inferior institution of highr learning.
JR
Well-Known Member
No Bornthrilla, I think you have some of us wrong. I am glad I went to SU, no regrets. I don't feel SU is inferior to any institution overall. Now are there programs that SU is hurting in?, yes there is. And I would advise a kid accordingly to other HBCUs with better programs that SU's. And if that kid asked about a PWC and I knew it was a good program I would say so as well. You would have to be stupid to go to any school if your major there is not accredited no matter if it is a HBCU. I am avid supporter of all HBCUs and if I had to pay for a future kid of mine to go to college, then he/she will take my money to a HBCU. If they want to go to a PWC they better have a scholarship or like Panther Fan said they have a special major no HBCU has for me to pay for them to go to a PWC.
But all I was saying HBCUs are not for every black kid or ball player. It is an individual thing and you just hope the kid made the right decision. Just like going to a PWC wasn't for me unless it would have been the Naval Academy, which would have been for a different reason and I have no problem recommending that PWC to any black kid if they have a interest in the Navy the same as I do for SU's NROTC program. I think we just have to be open minded and not get tunnel vision and think ALL black kids belong at an HBCU. Unfortunately some don't. Could you even imagine Ricky Williams (UT/ Saints)at a black school? It's not an inferiority complex at all. But like my college band director always told us. "To thineself be true."
Robber,
That was a good post. The number of scholarships the 1-A schools have is one of big advantages over us. I don't know if I would use Darnell Kennedy as an example. He probably had grade issues that made 1-A schools back off. I think Robert Kent is a better example. He could have went anywhere and he chose JSU. Kent has a good head on his shoulders unlike alot of our players. Plus someone around him exposed him to the pros and cons of going to a PWC. Especially the ones in the Sip. Could you imagine him wasting away at Ole Miss sitting behind Eli Manning if Kent had of signed there.
But all I was saying HBCUs are not for every black kid or ball player. It is an individual thing and you just hope the kid made the right decision. Just like going to a PWC wasn't for me unless it would have been the Naval Academy, which would have been for a different reason and I have no problem recommending that PWC to any black kid if they have a interest in the Navy the same as I do for SU's NROTC program. I think we just have to be open minded and not get tunnel vision and think ALL black kids belong at an HBCU. Unfortunately some don't. Could you even imagine Ricky Williams (UT/ Saints)at a black school? It's not an inferiority complex at all. But like my college band director always told us. "To thineself be true."
Robber,
That was a good post. The number of scholarships the 1-A schools have is one of big advantages over us. I don't know if I would use Darnell Kennedy as an example. He probably had grade issues that made 1-A schools back off. I think Robert Kent is a better example. He could have went anywhere and he chose JSU. Kent has a good head on his shoulders unlike alot of our players. Plus someone around him exposed him to the pros and cons of going to a PWC. Especially the ones in the Sip. Could you imagine him wasting away at Ole Miss sitting behind Eli Manning if Kent had of signed there.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
What a sad statement from a student at an HBCU.
Paul Dolemite Taylor
Well-Known Member
IT PUZZLES ME EVERYDAY WHY A BLACK ATHLETE WOULD EVEN GO THESE SCHOOLS KNOWING THEY ARE NO WANTED BUT TO DO ONE THING.AFTER THEY DO IT IT IS OVER.I HAVE HEARD TALES OF ALUMNI SHUNS TOWARDS BLACKS.THE FUNNY THING HAD IT NOT FOR INTEGRATION WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.WHY? OUR BLACK ATHLETES WERE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO THESE PWC'S THEY RUN TO NOWADAYS.THE WHITE MAN FIGURED IT OUT HOW TO BEAT THE SYSTEM AND GET HIMSELF A FINE SCHOOL AND REPUTATION.THERE WAS A TIME WHERE THE WHITE MAN HATED AND STILL HATES THE VERY GROUND YOU WALK ON.HE CALMS HIS HATE FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARSFOR YOU HIS PRIZE BULL.HE LETS YOU (BLACK ATHLETE)FUNDLE HIS WHITE WOMEN JUST DON'T GET THEM PREGNANT OR YOU ASS IS GONE.IF YOU GET TO FRIENDLY HE SLAPS RAPE ON YOU FOR MESSING WITH ONE OF HIS WHITE FLUZIES.AFTER HE DONE WITH YOU YOU TAKE YOUR SUV OR CAR TO A NEW WORLD CALLED THE NFL THAT IF YOU MAKE IT THERE.IF YOU DON'T EH WILL TAKE EVERYTHING HE GAVE YOU INCLUDING HIS WHITE WOMAN.UNLESS YOU MAKE IT THE WHITEWOMAN STAYS AS LONG YOU PLAY.BE MY GUEST AND GO TO PLAY INFRONT 100,000 CROWDS WHERE THE FIRST YOU DON'T CATCH A PASS SOME DRUNK WHITE PERSON CALLS YOU A n****r AND MEANS EVERY NEGATIVCE PART OF IT.DROP THE GAME WINNER AND YOU WHITE FEMALE FRIEND WON'T BE AROUND.SIT ON THE BENCH AND WAIT TO PLAY.TO MY BLACK QBS DON'T SETTLE FOR WR JUST YET THE WHITE MAN MIGHT WATN TO MOVE YOU RB OR LINEMEN.BUT HEY ITS FOR THE GOOD OF THE TEAM LIKE HE TELLS YOU.OR IS IT FOR THE GOOD OF THE THREE YEAR STARTER WHO HAS NOT PRODUCE SINCE HE HAS BEEN THERE.THE CHOICE IS YOURS BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER WHETTHER YOU PLAY IN FRONT OF 100,000 OR 5,000 HOW MANY OF THEM WILL CHEER YOU WIN YOU LOSE ,KEEP YOU WHEN YOU GET HURT,SUPPORT YOU WHEN YOU FALL,.OR TALK TO YOU WHEN YOUR DONE PLAYING FOR HIM.
LIKE A MOVIE I ONCE SAW THE CHARACTER SAID "RUN n****r RUN"
LIKE A MOVIE I ONCE SAW THE CHARACTER SAID "RUN n****r RUN"
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
Originally posted by mighty hornet
What a sad statement from a student at an HBCU.
Type the whole damn thing... I hate when people nitpick little sentences out of what I say. Did I state what my standards would be IF I was an All American. I said for ME, I would want to play in front of 100,000, excellent pratice facilities, indoor practice facilities, ride planes to games, stay in 5 star hotels on the road.... etc
Dont just type one sentence out of what I say.... You cant tell me that Bama St or AAMU has better facilities than AU or UA. Last time I remember the baseball team at ASU was playing on the football practice field.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
Well, since you asked, I'll quote the whole thing this time!!!
If you think its okay to allow yourself to be bought like that, then so be it.
That was a great post STC
It must be a young thing if you don't see anything wrong with these guys selling themselves to whatever school can "slide you so much money under the table" or give you a "brand new SUV" or let you "stay in top of the line hotels."
If you think its okay to allow yourself to be bought like that, then so be it.
That was a great post STC
Suge
The Phat Mack
Having been a participant on both academic and atheletic recruiting I know how hard it can be to choose a university.
You are subjected to so many different offers and perks that at 17-18 years old it can be somewhat overwhelming. The key is to be able to see through the bull and make a choice that is best for you....the individual. And that choice has to be made looking at the entire picture. You can't just look at academics, or the sports programs. You have to look at both and you have to look at the social environment that you will be subjecting yourself into. The problem is that too many of our young black men only see one side of the equation. They think just like Dahill in that all they want is the cars, clothes, flights, and hotels. Even if it will all last no longer than 5 years....unless you make it to the league. And that is a very select few. They fail to take advantage of the the school while the school is taking full advantage of them. I think the problem lies in that these kids don't have anyone to advise them to look at the big picture. To look at more than just the present and to look past your immediate future. And sometimes the parents are no more equipped to guide them than the kids are. I made my choice based on what was best for me. I could have gone to Harvard, Stanford, Carnegie Melon, MIT for academics. And I could have gone to Kentucky, Southern Miss, baylor etc for football. but I chose the school that was the best fit for me. And for some of these kids, they are making the decision based on that principle. The problem is that most of these kids are making the decision based solely on what car an alumni can provide, flying in planes, staying at 5 star hotels, etc. Not realizing that when your time is up, so will your perks. And if you haven't taken the steps to ensure yourself the lifestyle thatyou seemed to want to bad....you will be arsed out. That new SUV doesn't get to go home with you.
I don't knock a players for going to a PWC. I just knock them when they make that decision with their eyes wide shut. And I knock the PWC's for misleading them. I know HBCU's wil do the same and have done the same. but no one here can argue with the fact that as an HBCU student, whether you play sports or not. The faculty as a whole generally gives a dayum about you and your future.......even when you don't!
You are subjected to so many different offers and perks that at 17-18 years old it can be somewhat overwhelming. The key is to be able to see through the bull and make a choice that is best for you....the individual. And that choice has to be made looking at the entire picture. You can't just look at academics, or the sports programs. You have to look at both and you have to look at the social environment that you will be subjecting yourself into. The problem is that too many of our young black men only see one side of the equation. They think just like Dahill in that all they want is the cars, clothes, flights, and hotels. Even if it will all last no longer than 5 years....unless you make it to the league. And that is a very select few. They fail to take advantage of the the school while the school is taking full advantage of them. I think the problem lies in that these kids don't have anyone to advise them to look at the big picture. To look at more than just the present and to look past your immediate future. And sometimes the parents are no more equipped to guide them than the kids are. I made my choice based on what was best for me. I could have gone to Harvard, Stanford, Carnegie Melon, MIT for academics. And I could have gone to Kentucky, Southern Miss, baylor etc for football. but I chose the school that was the best fit for me. And for some of these kids, they are making the decision based on that principle. The problem is that most of these kids are making the decision based solely on what car an alumni can provide, flying in planes, staying at 5 star hotels, etc. Not realizing that when your time is up, so will your perks. And if you haven't taken the steps to ensure yourself the lifestyle thatyou seemed to want to bad....you will be arsed out. That new SUV doesn't get to go home with you.
I don't knock a players for going to a PWC. I just knock them when they make that decision with their eyes wide shut. And I knock the PWC's for misleading them. I know HBCU's wil do the same and have done the same. but no one here can argue with the fact that as an HBCU student, whether you play sports or not. The faculty as a whole generally gives a dayum about you and your future.......even when you don't!
bornthrilla
Proud ***** of JSU
Dahill, can I get your mailing address?
I need to send you a few books on afro-amercian history.....quick.
I need to send you a few books on afro-amercian history.....quick.
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
What for.... you act like I am some black dude trying to be a white boy. Anybody that knows me knows that I dont like white people for real. I have never went to a white school. I am the type of student that will use them instead of letting them use me. I have good grades, I wouldnt be what you call the "border line students"
And yall are being hypocrital... you are saying that our schools are better, but you are saying that the students with border line grades should attend the HBCU's. What kind of message is that sending. Are you saying that our schools should only take the students who couldnt make it at other universities?
C-LeB28
He played under Majors, never graduated. According to my brother, he had a total of 20 or 21 hours after four years of college.
DAHILL
I think the outdoor track at TSU is named after Ralph Boston.
As a student at Tennessee A & I University (now Tennessee State), Boston improved dramatically as a long jumper in 1960, his senior season, when he concentrated on the event in order to make the Olympic team. In previous seasons, he had also competed in the high jump, sprints, and high hurdles, and he ranked only fourth in the country as a high jumper in 1959.
Boston set a world record of 26 feet, 111/4 inches in the long jump on August 12, 1960, breaking the mark set by Jesse Owens twenty-five years before. It was the first of five world records Boston established in the event.
Less than a month later, Boston broke Owens' twenty-four-year-old Olympic record by jumping 26 feet, 7 3/4 inches to win the gold medal at the games in Rome. It was the first time four jumpers surpassed 26 feet at a single meet.
In May of 1961, Boston broke his own record with a jump of 27 feet, 1/2 inch, becoming the first to leap more than 27 feet. He extended the record to 27-2 later that year.
Igor Ter-Ovanesyan of the Soviet Union set a new record of 27 feet, 31/2 inches in June of 1962. Boston tied that mark in August of 1964 and broke it with a jump of 27-4 3/4 in September. He set his last world record, 27 feet, 5 inches, in May of 1965.
Boston won the NCAA championship in 1960, the AAU outdoor championship from 1961 through 1966, and the AAU indoor championship in 1961. He won a silver medal at the 1964 Olympics and a bronze in 1968. He was also the AAU outdoor high hurdles champion in 1965 and he had the country's longest triple jump in 1963.
Here's the sad part Cheeseborough, TSU's Women Track Coach.
Can not recruit. Just on her name and status, she should be able to attrack some of the top high school, JC track female in the country. Nashville, has a all city track team called the Continental T-Bells, coached by another TSU Alum. A majority of them end up running for the Big 12, PAC 10 or SEC. Very few,i f any has ever ran for TSU.
He played under Majors, never graduated. According to my brother, he had a total of 20 or 21 hours after four years of college.
DAHILL
I think the outdoor track at TSU is named after Ralph Boston.
As a student at Tennessee A & I University (now Tennessee State), Boston improved dramatically as a long jumper in 1960, his senior season, when he concentrated on the event in order to make the Olympic team. In previous seasons, he had also competed in the high jump, sprints, and high hurdles, and he ranked only fourth in the country as a high jumper in 1959.
Boston set a world record of 26 feet, 111/4 inches in the long jump on August 12, 1960, breaking the mark set by Jesse Owens twenty-five years before. It was the first of five world records Boston established in the event.
Less than a month later, Boston broke Owens' twenty-four-year-old Olympic record by jumping 26 feet, 7 3/4 inches to win the gold medal at the games in Rome. It was the first time four jumpers surpassed 26 feet at a single meet.
In May of 1961, Boston broke his own record with a jump of 27 feet, 1/2 inch, becoming the first to leap more than 27 feet. He extended the record to 27-2 later that year.
Igor Ter-Ovanesyan of the Soviet Union set a new record of 27 feet, 31/2 inches in June of 1962. Boston tied that mark in August of 1964 and broke it with a jump of 27-4 3/4 in September. He set his last world record, 27 feet, 5 inches, in May of 1965.
Boston won the NCAA championship in 1960, the AAU outdoor championship from 1961 through 1966, and the AAU indoor championship in 1961. He won a silver medal at the 1964 Olympics and a bronze in 1968. He was also the AAU outdoor high hurdles champion in 1965 and he had the country's longest triple jump in 1963.
Here's the sad part Cheeseborough, TSU's Women Track Coach.
Can not recruit. Just on her name and status, she should be able to attrack some of the top high school, JC track female in the country. Nashville, has a all city track team called the Continental T-Bells, coached by another TSU Alum. A majority of them end up running for the Big 12, PAC 10 or SEC. Very few,i f any has ever ran for TSU.
phatback
Anti-Homecoming Opponent
Now THIS is a topic................
Man, I know where the folks at UTK are. At home doing the same things they were doing 4 years prior, or they're 'hanging' with their folks that made it to the league. I hear being a 'groupie' pays well. It's sad to see they never took the time out to develop their minds.
LMAO @ Tru for knowing about 'Gibblets'. I take it Boo is fitting in just nicely up there.
C-LeB28,
I didn't know you were a speed merchant. That's alright right there !!
Man, I know where the folks at UTK are. At home doing the same things they were doing 4 years prior, or they're 'hanging' with their folks that made it to the league. I hear being a 'groupie' pays well. It's sad to see they never took the time out to develop their minds.
LMAO @ Tru for knowing about 'Gibblets'. I take it Boo is fitting in just nicely up there.
C-LeB28,
I didn't know you were a speed merchant. That's alright right there !!
The Fan With No Name
Member
The reason I think that it is sad for black athletes to go to pwcs is that they might get the benefit of alumni money (new cars, houses, pocket full of money) while they are there but a high % of them just ride the bench at these schools when they could be starting at hbcus. Furthermore, they usually don't graduate and they end up with some subpar job.
However, on the other hand, if these same athletes attend an hbcu, they will significantly have a better chance and getting more playing time (maybe go to NFL or NBA) and they will probably graduate from college and be able to earn a decent living.
It just comes down to if they want their money now or later in their life!
I guss if everybody wanted their money first, players like Steve Mcnair, Walter Peyton, Jerry Rice, and Lindsey Hunter could have rode the bench at a PWC and not have become the professional athletes that they turned out to be!
However, on the other hand, if these same athletes attend an hbcu, they will significantly have a better chance and getting more playing time (maybe go to NFL or NBA) and they will probably graduate from college and be able to earn a decent living.
It just comes down to if they want their money now or later in their life!
I guss if everybody wanted their money first, players like Steve Mcnair, Walter Peyton, Jerry Rice, and Lindsey Hunter could have rode the bench at a PWC and not have become the professional athletes that they turned out to be!
Blacknbengal
Well-Known Member
When will this madness end????
When do spring training start?
When do spring training start?