Hobson and Barlow suck!


staggalee83 said:
I know this but our problem is the majority of us don't even have a plan in place to START working towards that goal. You look at a lot of HBCU's and they are still offering the same degrees, in the same numbers that they offered 20 years ago. I know open admissions is a touchy subject, but we also have to tighten that up also to move up the academic ladder.

I say somebody need to take the leap.
Ain't like Troy State had millions and millions in surplus when they moved. They doing all-right. NOT WORLD BEATERS but they are getting a better class of athlete since the move.
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Troy had money frat. Them white folks planned their move for awhile. They also have a total enrollment of 31K in their system. They are a nice regional University.

I don't know how much of a better class of athlete they are getting. They are not lighting up the NFL draft either. They are not getting any Robert Braziles of Alabama type athletes. Those Bama kids still want to go to Alabama and Auburn first and Troy is like USM to Ole Miss and State. They get some of the rest of the state and maybe since they are not far from GA, they can get some of those. They run across a kid like DeMarcus Ware who turns out to be a stud. For those schools it is coaching. They hire better coaches to develop their players.

The other piece we miss. We only recruit a handful of other than black athletes. Those PWC lower tier programs get that white boy OL, DL or even QB that got overlooked by the big boys. So not only do they get the next level below black athletes, they get the white ones too. So unless we change our WHOLE recruiting method and have a super diverse squad then we will still have some struggles to fill certain positions. Schools like ND State get all them cornfed White OL that the Big Ten and other conferences pass over in that region and build them up.
 
JR said:
We only recruit a handful of other than black athletes. Those PWC lower tier programs get that white boy OL, DL or even QB that got overlooked by the big boys. So not only do they get the next level below black athletes, they get the white ones too. So unless we change our WHOLE recruiting method and have a super diverse squad then we will still have some struggles to fill certain positions.
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I have been saying for years that we need to make this change. To truly be competitive in and out of conference all of our teams need the best available athlete, not just the best available black athlete. Just as we need to hire the best available coaches not just the best available black coach.
 



JR said:
Troy had money frat. Them white folks planned their move for awhile. They also have a total enrollment of 31K in their system. They are a nice regional University.

I don't know how much of a better class of athlete they are getting. They are not lighting up the NFL draft either. They are not getting any Robert Braziles of Alabama type athletes. Those Bama kids still want to go to Alabama and Auburn first and Troy is like USM to Ole Miss and State. They get some of the rest of the state and maybe since they are not far from GA, they can get some of those. They run across a kid like DeMarcus Ware who turns out to be a stud. For those schools it is coaching. They hire better coaches to develop their players.

The other piece we miss. We only recruit a handful of other than black athletes. Those PWC lower tier programs get that white boy OL, DL or even QB that got overlooked by the big boys. So not only do they get the next level below black athletes, they get the white ones too. So unless we change our WHOLE recruiting method and have a super diverse squad then we will still have some struggles to fill certain positions. Schools like ND State get all them cornfed White OL that the Big Ten and other conferences pass over in that region and build them up.
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Troy didn't have tons of money. I remember when they were making the move and people was asking how in the world are they going to do it. They started with their stadium expansion which is just the cost of doing business. SU expanded their stadium so getting money for that is something we all can do. Every white school don't have tons of money. Some have to work for it and Troy did. They were not rich at all. If that was the case, USM would have been in the SEC by now. Heck, at one point, it looked like they played dam near a all SEC and ACC schedule. :lol:

And on that "work" note, how much work has our schools put in even thinking about a move? I'll save the time. NONE. We too busy talking about how we can't do shat and how EVERY white school has millions of dollars laying around, just waiting on someone to say "lets move up".

As for us only recruiting only 1 or 2 non black athletes, whos fault is that? People damm near had strokes because JSU had 2 white QB's in the last couple of years. Mention white coach, and negros start marching and singing negro church songs. Oh well. mention anything other than "all black -----------Whatever", black mofos are ready to riot at our universities. :lol:
 
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JR said:
Troy had money frat. Them white folks planned their move for awhile. They also have a total enrollment of 31K in their system. They are a nice regional University.

I don't know how much of a better class of athlete they are getting. They are not lighting up the NFL draft either. They are not getting any Robert Braziles of Alabama type athletes. Those Bama kids still want to go to Alabama and Auburn first and Troy is like USM to Ole Miss and State. They get some of the rest of the state and maybe since they are not far from GA, they can get some of those. They run across a kid like DeMarcus Ware who turns out to be a stud. For those schools it is coaching. They hire better coaches to develop their players.
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I remember when Troy St was in the Southland back in the day. 1 year they played McNeese and 1 of my cousins said, "it's 2 weeks later, and they(McNeese) still are trying to stop that Ware kid". LOL.

He was a star in college.
 
staggalee83 said:
Troy didn't have tons of money. I remember when they were making the move and people was asking how in the world are they going to do it. They started with their stadium expansion which is just the cost of doing business.
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Troy was flush with money from HealthSouth. Their founder gave troy over a million dollars to expand that stadium. And once they moved up and couldn't meet the attendance requirements, he used to buy up thousands of tickets to boost their "attendance".
 
staggalee83 said:
Troy didn't have tons of money. I remember when they were making the move and people was asking how in the world are they going to do it. They started with their stadium expansion which is just the cost of doing business. SU expanded their stadium so getting money for that is something we all can do. Every white school don't have tons of money. Some have to work for it and Troy did. They were not rich at all. If that was the case, USM would have been in the SEC by now. Heck, at one point, it looked like they played dam near a all SEC and ACC schedule. :lol:
http://theadvocate.com/football/sufootball/9863197-123/southern-training-camp-preview-everything
And on that "work" note, how much work has our schools put in even thinking about a move? I'll save the time. NONE. We too busy talking about how we can't do shat and how EVERY white school has millions of dollars laying around, just waiting on someone to say "lets move up".

As for us only recruiting only 1 or 2 non black athletes, whos fault is that? People damm near had strokes because JSU had 2 white QB's in the last couple of years. Mention white coach, and negros start marching and singing negro church songs. Oh well. mention anything other than "all black -----------Whatever", black mofos are ready to riot at our universities. :lol:
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You got transfer white Qbs. Not recruited ones. Even the PWCs didn't want them. I mean recruiting straight out of HS. Also where are you getting Troy had no money? Because they asked their folks to donate? Could JSU raise the money to get in the Sunbelt? Troy had way more money than our schools frat. Have you been to their campus? Don't let them doing fundraisers make you think they were like us. They had more money than McNeese has to leave that SLC.

If SU was playing on the FBS level our fans would be down. The problem is getting there. Nobody wants to make the monetary commitment to do it. Troy obviously had enough money make the move. Which one of our schools can do it? And who is inviting us to come play.
 
mighty hornet said:
Troy was flush with money from HealthSouth. Their founder gave troy over a million dollars to expand that stadium. And once they moved up and couldn't meet the attendance requirements, he used to buy up thousands of tickets to boost their "attendance".
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I remember the HealthSouth deal. The bottom line is they still had more money or the ability to get money to move up
 
mighty hornet said:
Troy was flush with money from HealthSouth. Their founder gave troy over a million dollars to expand that stadium. And once they moved up and couldn't meet the attendance requirements, he used to buy up thousands of tickets to boost their "attendance".
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$1 million was not even a drop in the bucket for that expansion. I'm guessing they used "payback state bonds" to do that expansion unless someone dropped double digit millions and Troy paid cash for that expansion which I know for sure they didn't do. I'll even throw in another $1 million and make it $2 million with ticket buys from HealthSouth founder..............Still not a lot of money.

I'm talking about people that act like these white FCS schools like Troy State that move up have $20, $30, or $40 million stashed away somewhere. Troy didn't have no more than we did when we were playing them. Once you make a move UP, then REAL investors will come out the woodworks ..........so to speak. Where was HealthSouth and this guy BEFORE TROY decided to work towards the move.

As for SWAC schools getting private money like that for football where we at now.
What person with millions is going to invest $2, $3, $4, or $5 million into a SWAC football program, that basically don't compete with the rest of the football NC world, just to go to the SCG? We all have rich alums that can do it but won't. Whats the point the way our conference is set up in isolation. It would make no sense to pump another $5 to $15 million into our budgets just to play each other.

Just asking since we discussing.
This is my SPORTS FORUM page .................. :lol:
 
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staggalee83 said:
Troy didn't have tons of money. I remember when they were making the move and people was asking how in the world are they going to do it. They started with their stadium expansion which is just the cost of doing business. SU expanded their stadium so getting money for that is something we all can do. Every white school don't have tons of money. Some have to work for it and Troy did. They were not rich at all. If that was the case, USM would have been in the SEC by now. Heck, at one point, it looked like they played dam near a all SEC and ACC schedule. :lol:

And on that "work" note, how much work has our schools put in even thinking about a move? I'll save the time. NONE. We too busy talking about how we can't do shat and how EVERY white school has millions of dollars laying around, just waiting on someone to say "lets move up".

As for us only recruiting only 1 or 2 non black athletes, whos fault is that? People damm near had strokes because JSU had 2 white QB's in the last couple of years. Mention white coach, and negros start marching and singing negro church songs. Oh well. mention anything other than "all black -----------Whatever", black mofos are ready to riot at our universities. :lol:
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BTW,
The SEC don't want USM. They would not take Ole Miss and State if they were not already a SEC school. Lol. Maybe one Ms school. But not both. Certainly not 3. USM could be the richest school in the state and not get an invite. They would have to go to the Big 12 if they had money.
 
mighty hornet said:
Troy was flush with money from HealthSouth. Their founder gave troy over a million dollars to expand that stadium. And once they moved up and couldn't meet the attendance requirements, he used to buy up thousands of tickets to boost their "attendance".
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Larry Blakeley just announced his retirement. Troy and USM are being affected by the rise of South AL. A 3 star athlete just de-committed from Troy to USA. USA got it program off the ground with a $30m donation from a wealthy donor. I know of no HBCU with a wealthy alum willing to make that kind of donation.
 
staggalee83 said:
$1 plus million is not a lot of money.
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That was back in the 90s. And that was just geared toward the stadium expansion. Don't think thats all he gave to troy. He gave money to their sports medicine program, sat on the board of trustees, along with other HealthSouth execs.


We all have rich alums that can do it but won't.
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because of the SCG? Really?

btw, move up to do what? to be in what conference? to compete against the SEC?
 
JR said:
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The SEC don't want USM. They would not take Ole Miss and State if they were not already a SEC school. Lol. Maybe one Ms school. But not both. Certainly not 3. USM could be the richest school in the state and not get an invite. They would have to go to the Big 12 if they had money.
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:lol:
I know and everybody else know. USM is in no-mans land with big dreams. They want to be in the SEC so bad they can taste it. The kick in the gut for them was when the ACC asked 2 teams they kick to sleep every year, Memphis and Tulane, to join in the last round of expansion and didn't even look their way.
 
mighty hornet said:
That was back in the 90s. And that was just geared toward the stadium expansion. Don't think thats all he gave to troy. He gave money to their sports medicine program, sat on the board of trustees, along with other HealthSouth execs.



because of the SCG? Really?

btw, move up to do what? to be in what conference? to compete against the SEC?
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OK............. Act like you can't understand the whole picture of what I'm saying. You do it all the time. JUST the SCG........my god. THINK and apply BIG PICTURE common sense to that statement.

Who said anything about competing with the SEC. Everytime someone say move up, the BIG 5 conferences come up. The BIG 5 are leaving the rest behind so no...............I'm not talking about the SEC. There are plenty of lower level conferences for us to cut our teeth in and make bowl games at the end of the year.

Using the SEC, BIG 10, Big 12, Pac 12 and Notre Dame as examples of our competition is another lame excuse to stand pat. Hell..................we don't even compete with McNeese and Sam Houstons of the FCS world so why do people bring up schools like Bamma and Michigan when someone talk about moving up? I don't see the Troy States of the FBS world worried about what Michigan or UCLA is doing. They doing their oun thing and is happy.
 



staggalee83 said:
OK............. Act like you can't understand the whole picture of what I'm saying. You do it all the time. JUST the SCG........my god. THINK and apply BIG PICTURE common sense to that statement.
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ummm,
You were the one who made the statement regarding why rich alums won't give, so..........:confused:


I don't see the Troy States of the FBS world worried about what Michigan or UCLA is doing. They doing their oun thing and is happy.
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Just how happy are the teams in the non power conferences? Are they competing at the highest level? Ranked in the polls? Have a shot at a national championship? Raking in big money? What's the big lure?
 
mighty hornet said:
ummm,
You were the one who made the statement regarding why rich alums won't give, so..........:confused:



Just how happy are the teams in the non power conferences? Are they competing at the highest level? Ranked in the polls? Have a shot at a national championship? Raking in big money? What's the big lure?
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Whatever MH.
Just like on the sports board, I don't play round the rose bush with people that act like they can't understand entire statements and just latch onto one word or phrase. You have to figure out the answer to 1 + 1 yourself. :lol:

As for the BIG LURE, what is the big lure for anyone donating too or coming into the SWAC to play sports if you a athlete. We don't even have a shot at a NC or anything else because we all but removed our own dam selves from even competing just to have a re-match party at the end of the year. We not even in the mix but we laugh, talk down on, and point dismissive fingers at other schools that have the guts to try. That mentality is funny to me. :lol:
 
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