Haitian Situation

[hassan]

'Brothers Gonna Work It Out': Haitians march for Aristide, against Bush

THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS MARCH FOR ARISTIDE, AGAINST US OCCUPATION

According to Reuters, about 10,000 Haitians (which means it was probably more like 100,000) marched through Port au Prince demanding the return of President Jean Bertrand Aristide and denouncing the US occupation.

Wearing clothes adorned with photographs of Aristide and Haitian flags, the multitudes chanted BUSH IS A TERRORIST as they marched toward the US embassy.


05/03/04
18:14


Partidarios de Aristide salen a las calles en Hait?


Foto: DANIEL AGUILAR/Reuters

Por Ibon Villelabeitia y Jim Loney

PUERTO PRINCIPE (Reuters) - Miles de airados partidarios del exiliado presidente Jean-Bertrand Aristide se lanzaron el viernes a las calles y muchos marcharon hacia la embajada de Estados Unidos en Puerto Pr?ncipe, para denunciar la "ocupaci?n" de su pa?s y demandar el retorno del ex mandatario.

Una multitud estimada en m?s de 10.000 personas se manifest? en la capital, gritando contra los marines norteamericanos y calificando al presidente George W. Bush de "terrorista," enojados con la partida de Aristide hacia Africa hace cinco d?as luego de una sangrienta rebeli?n y presiones de Washington.

"?Bush terrorista! ?Bush terrorista!" core? un grupo -muchos de cuyos integrantes ondeaban banderas hatianas y vest?an camisetas con fotos de Aristide-, mientras pasaba ante marines fuertemente armados que custodiaban la embajada.

Cientos levantaban sus manos abiertas gritando "Aristide cinco a?os," el grito de batalla de los partidarios del ex presidente, que quer?an que terminara su mandato de cinco a?os. Los soldados estadounidenses observaban desde el techo.

La masiva protesta se produjo mientras tropas de Estados Unidos y Francia se un?an a la polic?a haitiana para patrullar la capital.

Veh?culos militares norteamericanos con ametralladoras y lanzamisiles se desplazaban por las calles, como advertencia para que los rebeldes y militantes de Aristide depongan sus armas.

Partidarios de Aristide --un ex sacerdote cat?lico cuyos duros sermones galvanizaron una revuelta popular que derrib? la dictadura de la familia Duvalier en los anos 80-- hab?an estado casi en calma esta semana, golpeados por la ca?da del que fuera el primer presidente libremente electo de Hait?.

Ellos hab?an permanecido concentrados en Cite Soleil, La Saline y otros suburbios pobres de Puerto Pr?ncipe mientras los rebeldes armados patrullaban las calles, cazando a los "chimeres," nombre dado los partidarios m?s fervientes de Aristide.

Sin embargo, mientras los rebeldes se retiraban de acuerdo a una promesa de de deponer las armas de su l?der, el temido ex jefe policial Guy Philippe, los partidarios de Aristide dijeron que se manifestar?an todos los d?as por el retorno del presidente.

"OCUPACION EXTRANJERA"

Los partidarios de Aristide acusaron a la ?lite pudiente del pa?s m?s pobre de Am?rica, a Bush y al presidente franc?s, Jacques Chirac, de lo que calificaron como "ocupaci?n extranjera" de Hait?.

"La burgues?a se uni? con la comunidad internacional para ocupar Hait? y deshacerse del presidente Aristide," grit? un manifestante. "La burgues?a nunca hizo nada por nosotros, las masas. Ahora saca a nuestro presidente."

"Si Aristide no vuelve, la vida ser? un infierno aqu?."

Cinco d?as despu?s de que Aristide fuera derrocado se instal? un nuevo consejo tripartito, integrado por personas electas por el gobierno, enemigos de Aristide y naciones extranjeras.

Leslie Voltaire, quien bajo el gobierno de Aristide era el ministro encargado de los haitianos que viven en el exterior, fue nombrado por el gobierno.

Paul Denis, ex senador, fue seleccionado por la Plataforma Democr?tica, la oposici?n pol?tica. Y Adama Guindo, el coordinador residente de las Naciones Unidas, fue elegido por la comunidad internacional.

El consejo deber? seleccionar en una semana un "Consejo de Sabios" de siete miembros para que designen un nuevo primer ministro, con lo que comenzar?a el proceso para establecer un nuevo gobierno.

Unos 2.000 efectivos de Estados Unidos, Francia, Chile y Canad? se encuentran en Hait?, seg?n los comandantes de la fuerza multinacional aprobada por la ONU para restaurar el orden tras d?as de saqueos y tiroteos que siguieron a la partida de Aristide hacia la Rep?blica Centroafricana el domingo.

M?s de 100 personas murieron desde que comenz? la revuelta contra Aristide el 5 de febrero en la ciudad de Gonaives.

 

[EB]

Originally posted by hassan
there is an old saying among Haitians that they are 80% Catholic and 100 % vodun

that really is not too different from other Caribbean people

for those of you not familiar with our culture, dont take it at face value

what it really means is that vodun/santeria/obeah/sango/et al has such a big effect on our collective culture and overall spirituality that even those of us that are devoutly Catholic/Adventist/Muslim/Witness/Baptist/et al are familiar and have the appropriate respect for the African religions of our kinfolk/neighbors

*Dominicans are no less influenced by the religions of West African than the rest of us

Years ago the History Channel had an interesting documentary on that on History's Mysteries.

 

[Bartram]

Re: 'Brothers Gonna Work It Out': Haitians march for Aristide, against Bush

Originally posted by hassan
THOUSANDS OF HAITIANS MARCH FOR ARISTIDE, AGAINST US OCCUPATION

According to Reuters, about 10,000 Haitians (which means it was probably more like 100,000) marched through Port au Prince demanding the return of President Jean Bertrand Aristide and denouncing the US occupation.

Wearing clothes adorned with photographs of Aristide and Haitian flags, the multitudes chanted BUSH IS A TERRORIST as they marched toward the US embassy.


05/03/04
18:14


Partidarios de Aristide salen a las calles en Hait?


Foto: DANIEL AGUILAR/Reuters

Por Ibon Villelabeitia y Jim Loney

PUERTO PRINCIPE (Reuters) - Miles de airados partidarios del exiliado presidente Jean-Bertrand Aristide se lanzaron el viernes a las calles y muchos marcharon hacia la embajada de Estados Unidos en Puerto Pr?ncipe, para denunciar la "ocupaci?n" de su pa?s y demandar el retorno del ex mandatario.

Una multitud estimada en m?s de 10.000 personas se manifest? en la capital, gritando contra los marines norteamericanos y calificando al presidente George W. Bush de "terrorista," enojados con la partida de Aristide hacia Africa hace cinco d?as luego de una sangrienta rebeli?n y presiones de Washington.

"?Bush terrorista! ?Bush terrorista!" core? un grupo -muchos de cuyos integrantes ondeaban banderas hatianas y vest?an camisetas con fotos de Aristide-, mientras pasaba ante marines fuertemente armados que custodiaban la embajada.

Cientos levantaban sus manos abiertas gritando "Aristide cinco a?os," el grito de batalla de los partidarios del ex presidente, que quer?an que terminara su mandato de cinco a?os. Los soldados estadounidenses observaban desde el techo.

La masiva protesta se produjo mientras tropas de Estados Unidos y Francia se un?an a la polic?a haitiana para patrullar la capital.

Veh?culos militares norteamericanos con ametralladoras y lanzamisiles se desplazaban por las calles, como advertencia para que los rebeldes y militantes de Aristide depongan sus armas.

Partidarios de Aristide --un ex sacerdote cat?lico cuyos duros sermones galvanizaron una revuelta popular que derrib? la dictadura de la familia Duvalier en los anos 80-- hab?an estado casi en calma esta semana, golpeados por la ca?da del que fuera el primer presidente libremente electo de Hait?.

Ellos hab?an permanecido concentrados en Cite Soleil, La Saline y otros suburbios pobres de Puerto Pr?ncipe mientras los rebeldes armados patrullaban las calles, cazando a los "chimeres," nombre dado los partidarios m?s fervientes de Aristide.

Sin embargo, mientras los rebeldes se retiraban de acuerdo a una promesa de de deponer las armas de su l?der, el temido ex jefe policial Guy Philippe, los partidarios de Aristide dijeron que se manifestar?an todos los d?as por el retorno del presidente.

"OCUPACION EXTRANJERA"

Los partidarios de Aristide acusaron a la ?lite pudiente del pa?s m?s pobre de Am?rica, a Bush y al presidente franc?s, Jacques Chirac, de lo que calificaron como "ocupaci?n extranjera" de Hait?.

"La burgues?a se uni? con la comunidad internacional para ocupar Hait? y deshacerse del presidente Aristide," grit? un manifestante. "La burgues?a nunca hizo nada por nosotros, las masas. Ahora saca a nuestro presidente."

"Si Aristide no vuelve, la vida ser? un infierno aqu?."

Cinco d?as despu?s de que Aristide fuera derrocado se instal? un nuevo consejo tripartito, integrado por personas electas por el gobierno, enemigos de Aristide y naciones extranjeras.

Leslie Voltaire, quien bajo el gobierno de Aristide era el ministro encargado de los haitianos que viven en el exterior, fue nombrado por el gobierno.

Paul Denis, ex senador, fue seleccionado por la Plataforma Democr?tica, la oposici?n pol?tica. Y Adama Guindo, el coordinador residente de las Naciones Unidas, fue elegido por la comunidad internacional.

El consejo deber? seleccionar en una semana un "Consejo de Sabios" de siete miembros para que designen un nuevo primer ministro, con lo que comenzar?a el proceso para establecer un nuevo gobierno.

Unos 2.000 efectivos de Estados Unidos, Francia, Chile y Canad? se encuentran en Hait?, seg?n los comandantes de la fuerza multinacional aprobada por la ONU para restaurar el orden tras d?as de saqueos y tiroteos que siguieron a la partida de Aristide hacia la Rep?blica Centroafricana el domingo.

M?s de 100 personas murieron desde que comenz? la revuelta contra Aristide el 5 de febrero en la ciudad de Gonaives.

yeah but now dude, if this is the case,,, why couldn't these 10K-100K have come out and crushed the rebels?? :idea:

 

[EB]

Re: Re: 'Brothers Gonna Work It Out': Haitians march for Aristide, against Bush

Originally posted by Bartram
yeah but now dude, if this is the case,,, why couldn't these 10K-100K have come out and crushed the rebels?? :idea:

I am not an expert on the history of Haiti. But consider that the minority of Sunnis ruled Iraq over the Shiites. The White minorities ruled over Rhodesia and South Africa. I think it is safe to say that the "rebels" were probably better armed.

 

[Bartram]

Re: Re: Re: 'Brothers Gonna Work It Out': Haitians march for Aristide, against Bush

Originally posted by EB
I am not an expert on the history of Haiti. But consider that the minority of Sunnis ruled Iraq over the Shiites. The White minorities ruled over Rhodesia and South Africa. I think it is safe to say that the "rebels" were probably better armed.

The U.S. armed forces in Iraq are better armed than the insurgents. The Israeli army is better armed than the Palestinians. The VC were not as well armed as the U.S. That does not(didn't in the case of the VC) stop them from resisting (prevailing in the case of the VC), protesting by physically putting up some kind of a fight. They are willing to die as suicide bombers for their cause (or improvise with the help of communist china/russia as in the case of the VC). Why aren't these 10k-100K Haitians willing to do the same?

 

[EPMD]

Aristide was KIDNAPPED and he's being held PRISONER

<font color=navy>PRESS RELEASE
From the <a href=http://www.iacenter.org/haiti-alert1.htm>International Action Center</a>

<b><font size=+1>ARISTIDE UNDER LOCK & KEY, U.S. DELEGATION SAYS</font></b>

March 7, 2004

A delegation from the United States has arrived in the Central African Republic to meet with overthrown Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. President Aristide was taken involuntarily to the Central African Republic following a U.S. coup d'etat on February 28. The group was granted visas on Thursday and Friday and departed the United States on Friday evening.

The delegation includes Kim Ives from the Haiti Support Network, and Johnnie Stevens and Sara Flounders from the International Action Center. Ives, Flounders and Stevens are representing former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Also on the delegation are Brian Concannon, acting in the capacity of President Aristide's lawyer; and Katherine Kean, a friend of President Aristide.

Kim Ives, a personal friend of Jean-Bertrand and Mildred Aristide, said "This morning, the delegation went to the Palace of the Renaissance, the presidential compound where President Aristide is being held." Mr. Ives had spoken to the Foreign Minister on Thursday to inform him that the delegation was coming to the Central African Republic to meet with President Aristide.

"We were stopped at the gates by a guard who contacted a Central African Republic official inside the building. A representative of the Central African Republic came out to speak with us," Ives reported. "We asked to go in to visit President Aristide and were told we could not. We asked if he could come out to see us, and we were told no. We asked if we could send in a note or our phone number, and we were told no. The official then told us that he had spoken with the Minister of Defense and that Aristide was not allowed to receive visitors."

Mr. Ives also reported that he placed a call to the cell phone that the Aristides have been using to place calls to their friends, attorneys and the media. "Mildred Aristide answered the phone. I said, 'Hello Mildred, this is Kim Ives, we are here.' At that point, the phone line went dead. We have tried to call many times since then but there has been no answer."

Brian Concannon is also a member of the delegation, acting in the capacity of President Aristide's attorney. Standing outside the gates of the compound where President Aristide is being held, Mr. Concannon requested to meet with President Aristide alone for a consultation. This was also denied.

"The world has been told that President Aristide is free to come and go, and that he has simply chosen not to leave," said Sara Flounders of the International Action Center. "The fact that our delegation has been denied all forms of contact with President Aristide confirms, in fact, that he is being kept under lock and key, at this point not even able to communicate by phone."

"The U.S. and French governments chose to take Aristide to the Central African Republic, a formerly colonized and impoverished country," said Johnnie Stevens of the International Action Center. "The Central African Republic, similar to many formerly colonized countries in Africa and around the world, has been isolated and underdeveloped because of the past policies of France, the U.S. and other colonial and neo-colonial powers. The U.S. and France should be paying reparations to the Central African Republic."

To schedule an interview with a member of the delegation or to get more information, contact Sarah Sloan or Brian Becker at 202-904-7949 or 202-544-3389.


-ep

 

[EPMD]

Aristide not invited to his own press conference

<font color=navy>A television report I saw today detailed what the reporter described as a "bizarre scene" at an event in CAR that was billed before to be an Aristide press conference. The report described a scene where armed gunmen greated news cameramen demanding that they stop filming immediately. Aristide's wife was hustled into the room but never spoke while a third person read a statement purported to be from Aristide. Afterwards, Mrs. Aristide was hustled out of the room. Are you kidding me???

<font size=+1><b>Aristide Statement Delivered in Africa</b></font>

By DANIEL BALINT-KURTI
Associated Press Writer

March 7, 2004, 4:22 PM EST

BANGUI, Central African Republic -- Authorities in the Central African Republic on Sunday read a statement from exiled Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide saying he's being "well-looked after" and will personally address reporters at an unspecified and "opportune time."

Central African Republic Foreign Minister Charles Wenezoui read the statement he attributed to Aristide from a small card handed to him by Aristide's wife, Mildred, in front of the press.

Aristide's wife looked on tight-lipped as the short statement was read, but did not speak to reporters. Aristide was not present...

<a href=http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-africa-aristide-exile,0,4180946.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines>Full story</a>

In another intersting twist to this story, the Central African Republic is a francofone African state which late last year saw its democratically elected president deposed by way of a military coup. Sound familiar???

In January the government of France donated millions of dollars worth of military equipment to the illegitimate coup government. In what we're asked to believe is an incredible coincidence, Aristide just so happened to have been preparing a strong international case for $21-<b>b</b>illion in reparations from France. Meanwhile Bush, De Villepin and Chirac are glad handing one another over their "perfect coordination" in handling Haiti.

-ep

 

[EPMD]

Kidnapped, abducted, black-bagged by the gov't like ET!

<font color=navy>EXLUSIVE:
ARISTIDE SPEAKS TO DEMOCRACY NOW! IN MOST EXTENSIVE ENGLISH-LANGUAGE INTERVIEW SINCE HIS REMOVAL FROM HAITI

At approximately 7:20 am EST, Democracy Now! managed to reach exiled Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide by cell phone in the Central African Republic. His comments represent the most extensive English-language interview Aristide has given since he was removed from office and his country.

Moments before the Democracy Now! interview, Aristide appeared publicly for the first time since he was forced out of Haiti in what he has called a US-backed coup. The authorities in the Central African Republic allowed Aristide to hold a news conference after a delegation of visiting US activists charged that the Haitian president was being held under lock and key like a prisoner. The delegation included one of Aristide's lawyers, Brian Concannon, as well as journalists and representatives of former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Shortly after they arrived in Bangui on Sunday, the delegation attempted to meet with Aristide at the palace of the Renaissance. The CAR government rebuked them.

Shortly after, the country's foreign minister held a press conference in Bangui. Armed men threatened journalists in the room, warning them not to record the minister's remarks. Mildred Aristide, the Haitian First lady, was brought into the room, but was not permitted to speak. The CAR foreign minister told the journalists that President Aristide would hold a news conference within 72 hours. Hours later, Aristide was allowed to address journalists.

In his interview on Democracy Now!, Aristide asserted that he is the legitimate president of Haiti and that he wants to return to the country as soon as possible. He details his last moments in Haiti, describing what he called his "kidnapping" and the coup d'etat against him. He responds to Vice President Dick Cheney's comment that Aristide had "worn out his welcome" in Haiti.

Transcript will be posted shortly.

Developing....

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/08/1529222

-ep

 

[HBCUs]

:smh: at Dick Cheney.

But despite all this damning evidence against the U.S. regarding this issue, there are still those who support this wrongdoing tooth and nail.


The problem is clear. People in this country really don't give a damn what's going on in the rest of the world..... even when it involves those who like them. As long as there are no riots, bombs falling, military coups, etc. going on in their back yards, what's does it matter? Hey, it's aaaaaall good. Sad.

 

[hassan]

Originally posted by HBCUs
The problem is clear. People in this country really don't give a damn what's going on in the rest of the world..... even when it involves those who like them. As long as there are no riots, bombs falling, military coups, etc. going on in their back yards, what's does it matter? Hey, it's aaaaaall good. Sad.

you aint neve' tol' a lie in yo' life

 

[jstate83]

Send him back, pull out, and let the people of Haiti welcome him back home. Then he will be happy.

 

[hassan]

sure, pull out alright but that means take the US-trained goons out too

 

[jstate83]

That's right. Pull everybody out. Let them handle it on their own. Put homeboy back in the Palace and let THEM fight it out. No matter what .................. BLAME U.S.

Every country on the planet f-up countries like this, but it's blame the U.S. ONLY.

 

[hassan]

do folks give out prizes to ignorami where you're from?



the Bush Administration played an active role in the overthrow of a democratically elected government in the Western Hemisphere by training, funding, equipping, advising, and encouraging a modern day band of pirates

this is not just anyone saying this - we're talking about members of congress:

Waters, Jackson Lee Speak Out About Haiti
Posted on Mar 07, 2004 - 11:02 AM by blackvoice


Houston, TX


Exclusive to BVN

Piti, piti, wazo fe nich li is a Haitian proverb that says that "little by little, the bird builds its nest".

Like the proverbial bird, Maxine Waters has built a reputation as a no-nonsense fighter, an inexhaustible advocate, a passionate champion of those vulnerable entities in a world that sometimes praises the underdog and always rewards the mighty. Her battles have taken her from the high to the low, the backsliding to the on the go.

Right now, there are few people more vulnerable than the poor Black masses of Haiti. Their ancestors made history when they became the first humans to wage a successful slave revolt when they defeated the armies of Spain, Great Britain, and France.

Two months ago, Haiti celebrated its bicentennial with a grand program in Port au Prince. In attendance was an exuberant crowd numbering well into the tens of thousands if not more. With them was United States Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

Yet the accomplishment of being the world?s first Black republic did not earn Haiti praises and accolades. Instead, Haiti?s proud patriots were punished with two hundred years of economic embargos, egregious exploitation, and media manipulation.

Just a few days ago, the democratically-elected government of President Jean-Betrand Aristide was overthrown by a sad cast of well-equipped murderers and rapists. Reports have emerged that Aristide was kidnapped. Although the White House denies the charge, Waters believes "that there was foul play."

"I am very worried about President Aristide," said Waters in an interview with The Black Voice News.

Waters? Congressional colleague Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas found the news of the ouster to be "devastating" and added that the entire episode was "a travesty."

The legislators? concerns are well-founded as Waters was able to speak to Aristide after he was forced into exile via mobile telephone.

Prior to Aristide?s hasty forced departure, Waters and human rights activist Randall Robinson each had spoken to him every day for two weeks.

By now, millions of people know that President Aristide's government was overthrown but very few know who is responsible nor why. Congresswoman Waters stated that it was the "same business class [that] does not want Aristide to share [leadership] of Haiti."

"It is the same business class that sells all of the essential resources and does not want to pay taxes," said Waters. "They will not support any government that holds them accountable."

In addition to the economic motivation, the Representative feels that the President's opponents have a related political agenda as well.

"They want[ed] Aristide out so they can control the elections they know they can't win fairly."

Aristide's foes have benefited from the aid of both the Bush administration and affiliated right-wing organizations, such as the National Endowment for Democracy. Congresswoman Waters has gone on record on numerous occasions recently blasting the White House and the State Department for what she describes as their complicity with the anti-democratic rebel forces.

Last week, the Congressional Black Caucus held an emergency meeting with President George W. Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Advisor Condi Rice imploring the current administration to take decisive action to help protect a fledging democracy in America?s backyard. Instead being promised a crack team of Marines to ride in like the cavalry to help the constitutionally legitimate government of Haiti fight off would-be tyrants, the CBC was told that ships were being sent to Haiti to prevent an exodus of refugees.

"That's all the President cares about," said Waters about Bush.

Through all of the sad turn of events in Haiti that have marked the days and weeks that followed the euphoria of the bicentennial festivities, the CBC has been adamant about where it places responsibility. "We're holding the President accountable," said Waters. Jackson Lee stated that the CBC would "not let this go."

Describing the United States as a "moral compass," Representative Jackson Lee said that "we owe the world" a better example of ethical leadership. This would have been an obvious and appropriate opportunity" to support democracy in the Americas said Jackson Lee.

The Representative from California also feels that Aristide "has been a victim of the major press." Saying that "the lies [are] absolutely unbelievable," Waters boils at the constant war of misinformation she feels is being waged against Aristide's Lavalas party.

One example of the sort of information that Waters feels that the American corporate media is not sharing with the people of the United States concerns the successful efforts of the Aristide government and a local grassroots group to turn the former mansion of an infamous Duvalier stooge into a primary school for the children of a small town. This was originally reported by the online BlackCommentator after "a prominent U. S. journalist" was not able to convince his editors to print the story.

www.blackvoicenews.com

 

[Bartram]

Originally posted by HBCUs
:smh: at Dick Cheney.

But despite all this damning evidence against the U.S. regarding this issue, there are still those who support this wrongdoing tooth and nail.


The problem is clear. People in this country really don't give a damn what's going on in the rest of the world..... even when it involves those who like them. As long as there are no riots, bombs falling, military coups, etc. going on in their back yards, what's does it matter? Hey, it's aaaaaall good. Sad.

is it possible that people there felt Aristide was corrupt and commence to overthrow him because of that? :look:

 

[jstate83]

Originally posted by hassan
do folks give out prizes to ignorami where you're from?

No .................... But we do give prizes for dumbarse's like yourself that can't make a statement without acting like a fool. You want everybody out, but when I say f-it, pull everybody out, your semi-inteligent, cut and post other people words arse want to go off the deep end.

Dude it don't matter what happens. You will always find something to complain about. The U.S. is f-ed up, but it's no worse than the other countries that has colonized third word countries all over the world. Get real. And save the 9 page cut and paste. Talk to people in your own words.

 

[hassan]

who wants "everybody" out?

i just want the goons and pirates out of Haitian politics and in Haitian jails

i want the US military to stop training the aforementioned thugs and cut-throats and train the legitimate security force of a democratically legitimate government

i want American people to be so ignorantly reactionary about this government and hold it accountable for wrongdoings

also, fyi, that "cut and paste" was authored by me

 

[jstate83]

Originally posted by hassan
who wants "everybody" out?

i just want the goons and pirates out of Haitian politics and in Haitian jails

i want the US military to stop training the aforementioned thugs and cut-throats and train the legitimate security force of a democratically legitimate government

i want American people to be so ignorantly reactionary about this government and hold it accountable for wrongdoings

also, fyi, that "cut and paste" was authored by me

So this is a personal opinion being passed on as researched, documented facts. OK.

There is no way that the Haitian people did this on their own. And as far as the U.S.trained goons, who would train the next wave. It's already been said by you that the people the U.S. trained are thugs and cut-throats.

 

[hassan]

Originally posted by jstate83
So this is a personal opinion being passed on as researched, documented facts.

No, on the contrary; it is a personal opinion BASED on researched, documented facts. Of course, maybe direct statements from members of the United States Congress are not factual enough for you.

Originally posted by jstate83
There is no way that the Haitian people did this on their own. And as far as the U.S.trained goons, who would train the next wave. It's already been said by you that the people the U.S. trained are thugs and cut-throats.

OK, what is your point?

I said that already.

Actually, nevermind - pearls before swine, pearls before swine

 

[jstate83]

Originally posted by hassan




OK, what is your point?

I said that already.

Actually, nevermind - pearls before swine, pearls before swine

No point to be made ................... Just the same question.


Who would you like to see train the Haitian people to Govern themselves THIS TIME, since the U.S. f-ed it up so bad the first time and can't be trusted?

 

[EB]

Originally posted by Bartram
is it possible that people there felt Aristide was corrupt and commence to overthrow him because of that? :look:

I may not be because most of the people (It looks like.) still support him and the rebels look to be goons and thugs as oppose to freedom fighters.

 

[Bartram]

Originally posted by EB
I may not be because most of the people (It looks like.) still support him and the rebels look to be goons and thugs as oppose to freedom fighters.

I don't think they are freedom fighters. That is not my contension at all. Like you say, they are thugs. That aside, this still, then, brings me back to a previous comment. Could you imagine a few jews attempting to oust Arafat among a majority of Palestinians? Wouldn't happen. Them Palestinians would rip a few jews to shreads; weapons or no.