Georgian sues college over hazing incident


Smoke said:
Im young....So Im sure you are about to correct my dumbness...But Isn't hazing a two way street? ain't ithe participation in hazing illegal? meaning the one aloowing hazing to go on???/


But Im dumb and young.




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This ain't hard to understand.
Forget a 2 way street cause that don't apply at all when someone is the "underling" taking orders and the other has the "power" to give orders.
It's illegal just to MENTALLY HAZE a person.
They take all this into consideration when making these laws cause a person can be too scared to speek up or is pressured into keeping their mouth shut.
They take the arse-whipping just to "get along" and be accepted under those types of mental stresses.

SU need to write a chech and be done with it.
If the kid from JSU that got his shoulder cracked ever decided to start talking about who did what and when, you can believe someone will get sued.............JSU.

If the court's wanted too, they could have pressed charges out the arse on these college students.
And they all better be glad they were college students cause NEGRO off the street that is the same age would probably have attempted murder on his hands right now.
 
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SLT said:
But aren't those papers signed by all? The Hazers and Hazees(if that's a word)?
And if so, how can you choose one over the other when it comes to the law?
Who prevails? The one hazing or the one being hazed?

I'm not sure who will get sued(SU or each participant), but those signed papers will stand up in court against SOMEBODY.
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If the university has documents saying they won't be liable and they told these lil bastids NOT to haze...then they won't be sued, unless its a slim arse'd loop-hole




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CEE DOG said:
We have been hearing that same thing since all this mess start coming up since the 90's. Yet everyone in those cases have gotten some money out of it. :lol:
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Yep. :nod: I know of one in particular back in 93. That's all I have to say about that.
 
yvette23 said:
Yep. :nod: I know of one in particular back in 93. That's all I have to say about that.
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the hazing laws really didn't start taking place/being enforced until late '90s, to my knowledge anyway.

That's when organizations/sororities/fraternities basically started covering their azzes so that when the members do something stupid the organziation can't be held liable.

whenever there's a line for Delta...EVERYONE (Sorors and interested folks) have to sign an anti-hazing form. Basically the form states that the organization does not support any form of hazing, etc, etc.

So yeah...back in '93 (soooooooooooo long ago :D) orgs/schools were still getting sued.

Did FAMU get sued with that Kappa mess? I can't recall hearing about it but it could have happened. *shrugs*
 
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I can't see SU having any fault in this. I am sure that to join the band, you have to sign papers saying you cannot haze or participate in hazing, and if you do, the school is not liable.

I know that when you join fraternity's you do, that is why now, when people get caught hazing, the organization can render punishment BUT the legal system has the right to also handle all cases if someone press charges...but NOT against the organization but the individual.

To be honest, I don't see why SU can't sue this young man for violating his agreement and allowing himself to be hazed.... :lecture:
 
players said:
This ain't hard to understand.
Forget a 2 way street cause that don't apply at all when someone is the "underling" taking orders and the other has the "power" to give orders.
It's illegal just to MENTALLY HAZE a person.
They take all this into consideration when making these laws cause a person can be too scared to speek up or is pressured into keeping their mouth shut.
They take the arse-whipping just to "get along" and be accepted under those types of mental stresses.

SU need to write a chech and be done with it.
If the kid from JSU that got his shoulder cracked ever decided to start talking about who did what and when, you can believe someone will get sued.............JSU.

If the court's wanted too, they could have pressed charges out the arse on these college students.
And they all better be glad they were college students cause NEGRO off the street that is the same age would probably have attempted murder on his hands right now.
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I understand your point, but you are old school and things are different. when I was at SU there was no choice. You got what you got or you got gone! But this instance the kids who were "hazed" were done so at there request, because of them wanting to respect the tradition. But it was probably more ducking and dodging and sneaking around by kids trying to get in the process, than there were kids back in the day,:( trying to avoid that ass whooping!
 
players said:
This ain't hard to understand.
Forget a 2 way street cause that don't apply at all when someone is the "underling" taking orders and the other has the "power" to give orders.
It's illegal just to MENTALLY HAZE a person.
They take all this into consideration when making these laws cause a person can be too scared to speek up or is pressured into keeping their mouth shut.
They take the arse-whipping just to "get along" and be accepted under those types of mental stresses.

SU need to write a chech and be done with it.
If the kid from JSU that got his shoulder cracked ever decided to start talking about who did what and when, you can believe someone will get sued.............JSU.

If the court's wanted too, they could have pressed charges out the arse on these college students.
And they all better be glad they were college students cause NEGRO off the street that is the same age would probably have attempted murder on his hands right now.
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Schools cannot be liable for what those kids do...I know that schools have anti-hazing seminars/orientations, legal paperwork, etc... Organizations and universities have legal teams that have already protected the organization and the university.

I do know that there are some cases where organizations have to pay but that is basically "hush" money that is handled in arbitration. These cases are beyond that point so he can only sue the people who did it to him.
 
Tigerpride said:
Schools cannot be liable for what those kids do...I know that schools have anti-hazing seminars/orientations, legal paperwork, etc... Organizations and universities have legal teams that have already protected the organization and the university.

I do know that there are some cases where organizations have to pay but that is basically "hush" money that is handled in arbitration. These cases are beyond that point so he can only sue the people who did it to him.
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:nod:Right. They could sue those 21 year olds all day(ain't gone get schit cuz they ain't got schit) but not the school and not the parents.
 
CEE DOG said:
We have been hearing that same thing since all this mess start coming up since the 90's. Yet everyone in those cases have gotten some money out of it. :lol: Bottom line is the lawyers take these cases because they have other lawyer friends who got paid off of them. :lol: Now they gone get their cut. :lol: What yall say "Party don't stop". :lol:
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Cee,
In some of the cases, the kids got sued and not the school. I had thought FAMU had to pay out that million dollar deal when they had hazing. Well it turns out the guilty parties were the ones who had too. Those young men have been getting their checks garnished to pay off the kids they hazed.

SU will be fine. One thing I know is that our board chair Tony Clayton aint no dumb Lawyer. He is actually a special prosecuter for the State. Those kids signed those papers saying they will not haze or be part of getting hazed. The fraternities and sororities are having their folks sign up to that as well across the country to keep down the lawsuits.

Bottom line, when those kids went off campus and it was a non band/SU function they became regular civilians out there. You can call it what you want but it sure makes look like they knew they had to do their dirt off campus to avoid the school catching them. So aint nothing the school can do about it. Good luck getting some money out of SU on this. Wisconsin aint paying those kids in their band either. I also bet JSU aint going to have to do nothing either about their off campus incident. These schools have gotten smart. They make everybody sign them papers for a reason. It is almost like a Pre Nup.

Now if those parents want to do like the FAMU parents did and sue the individuals who caused the harm then so be it. As long as the schools have done what they have supposed to in trying to curb hazing. How do you hold them responsible? Like I said good luck beating Tony Clayton and SU in court over there in La.
 
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southsuburbs said:
the hazing laws really didn't start taking place/being enforced until late '90s, to my knowledge anyway.

That's when organizations/sororities/fraternities basically started covering their azzes so that when the members do something stupid the organziation can't be held liable.

whenever there's a line for Delta...EVERYONE (Sorors and interested folks) have to sign an anti-hazing form. Basically the form states that the organization does not support any form of hazing, etc, etc.

So yeah...back in '93 (soooooooooooo long ago :D) orgs/schools were still getting sued.

Did FAMU get sued with that Kappa mess? I can't recall hearing about it but it could have happened. *shrugs*
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The school didn't. And it looks like it was a hard time convicting them cats too.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/10041672/detail.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WMX/is_21_23/ai_n27085831/

http://diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_9691.shtml
 
Getting garnished sounds about right...I mentioned that SOMEBODY if not the school would have to pay some kind of restitution.
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Well personally, I didn't have to contend with activities such as this while in the Boom, because in order to whoop my arse?!?....you would have had to have been a SuperB*itch! :cool:
 
JR said:
Not so fast Juke. As soon as they get a job their checks can be garnished. Ask them FAMU cats.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_21_21/ai_n8572595/
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Also from that same article:

"Records show Parker, a trumpet player from Jacksonville, settled with FAMU a year ago for a confidential amount.

Hazing is illegal under Florida law, and FAMU maintains a "zero tolerance" policy that includes kicking any students caught hazing out of the band."



Even when innocent, when a corporation is named in a lawsuit, even one they know they will win, they often settle out of court. The amount they settle for is often less than the minimum amount they would have to spend defending themselves in court and going through the legal process. Remember this case?

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_13550698

Tasered Texas woman, 72, says next time "say nothing" (8:17 a.m.)
By The Associated Press
Posted: 10/13/2009 08:16:10 AM MDT

NEW YORK — ...

Winkfein was stopped May 11 for going 60 mph in a 45-mph zone near Austin. A patrol car camera captured what happened when Winkfein got out of her vehicle and argued with the lawman.

The incident is being reviewed by prosecutors. An internal investigation found no violations by the officer.

Winkfein this month accepted Travis County's $40,000 settlement offer. County Judge Sam Biscoe said defending the lawsuit would have cost much more.
 
All I know is someone is going to pay. Now if you wanna have to pay some one all your life for the sake of the frat or band go right ahead. When you get 59 and retire, your social security and pension check still gone be paying for your hardness, while those losers you like to call gone be living good off of you.:lol: They gone be buying rental property, boats, cars and going on vacations off of your money, while you struggling and broke for the rest of your life. It's all about keeping it real though so go ahead. :lol: That's why I keep a Jew lawyer around. They know how to get paid. believe that. :lol:
 



The fact that this incident occurred off campus, it will be hard for anybody to prove that the university had any involvement in the incident.

The University is covered, and the Band is probably covered as well.

The kid isn't gonna get anything but a big bill from the lawyer. He's trying to sue the University because he got "hazed" by an organization that isn't even officially affiliated with the University? That's not gonna fly.

Yeah, he's young and impressionable, but the fact that he signed a contract, he basically said that he understands that hazing is illegal and strictly prohibited by the University and the Band, and released the Band and the University from any liability. Even if he didn't really understand what he signed, the fact of the matter is he did sign the contract, and you best believe, they will hold him to it.
 
OK. :lol:
people sueing and winning for all kinds of bullshat these day's and ya'll say the University need to take a chance in this P.C. World.
I wouldn't.:shame:

Write them negros a check for $50 grand each and move on.
Why put up with the headaches and negative press that will come explaining to mom and dad how a University they left in charge of their kid, can let an organization that the University has complete control over, put their kid in the hospital fighting for life for 4 days.
I know they were individuals, but those individuals represented a University organization that those parent's kid was there to be a part of.
Busted kidneys and collar bones was not part of the package when they dropped them off and waved bye bye.
 
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Do yall know if I come to yall's house and get drunk. Leave hit someone, that the person I hit can sue you instead of me? :lol: Even though you weren't driving and was in your house. :tup:
 
CEE DOG said:
Do yall know if I come to yall's house and get drunk. Leave hit someone, that the person I hit can sue you instead of me? :lol: Even though you weren't driving and was in your house. :tup:
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Not if I make you sign legal papers that wouldn't hold me liable for your actions once you left my house...

Some of you are old enough to know better.. or "should" know better....smh
 
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SUtrp96 said:
Not if I make you sign legal papers that wouldn't hold me liable for your actions once you left my house...

Some of yuo areold enough to know better.. or "should" know better....smh
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believe that if you wanna. :lol: Give me a Jew lawyer, bet I get paid. :lol:
 
CEE DOG said:
believe that if you wanna. :lol: Give me a Jew lawyer, bet I get paid. :lol:
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Bet you wouldn't. All these lawyers in here that know Louisiana State law and know what the Band Contract states is so funny to me lol. So let me ask this. If you park your car in a parking garage and they have a sign saying they aren't liable for damage to your car and lost items in your car, you're trying to tell me you would get some money out of them? LOL!!! The law states that you can sue for almost anything, whether or not you get paid is another story. Man yall are funny today.
 
SUtrp96 said:
Southern University has every kid SIGN a legal document NOT to participate in HAZING..... ALL band members..... In that document the Hazee is just as guilty....
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this is what our legal docs stated, when they started incorporating them. my first 2 of my 4 years of marching, we didn't have them.
 
S.U. T-BONE 99 said:
Bet you wouldn't. All these lawyers in here that know Louisiana State law and know what the Band Contract states is so funny to me lol. So let me ask this. If you park your car in a parking garage and they have a sign saying they aren't liable for damage to your car and lost items in your car, you're trying to tell me you would get some money out of them? LOL!!! The law states that you can sue for almost anything, whether or not you get paid is another story. Man yall are funny today.
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Okay. I bet these kids get some money. :lol: Someone is going to pay. Don't know or care who, but watch someone pays. This is far from over. :lol: This comes up and happens every year since 95. Folks keep filing law suits, so someone is getting paid, but SU papers gone cover it huh? :lol:
 
DAHILL said:
I disagree.... its a KID coming to college... he knows no better... all he knows is acceptance.... and if he doesnt go through the process he will be blackballed from the ones who does... Some people arent as strong minded as others... some are followers and feel as if they have to do stupid shit to be accepted.
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when you go off to school, you are an adult. And some people actually want the benefits of crossing over whatever they are choosing to do, not everyone is "weak minded" just trying to be accepted, some are but not all. And not everyone that can't handle the process is "strong minded"....some are but not all. Don't let the masses fool you.
 
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