Genesis 6:4

[ROYAL BLUE]

Can someone (other that Royal Blue) explain to me what this guy is talking about? I understand the scripture. But, what is He (Royal Blue) trying to convey!!!

Wow! This must be how things were during the construction of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:7-11).

The point was that God is the only one who can allow you to see those hidden mysteries. He gave us a demonstration of how He does it by using the disciples as an example to teach us a lesson. Jesus walked ant talked with them but they didn't even know He was Jesus. In other words, the Truth was with them and they didn't have a clue. Why did God do this? Christopherson will explain it verse by verse and you'll get a better understanding as to why He did it. Start at the beginning of the chapter to identify the subject and the object.

 

[illinijag]

No, I do not get paid to re-post Christopherson's commentary. The only reason I do post it because its the "most accurate human commentary" that I've ever seen. Its totally in line with the word of God taught on a deeper level.....the meat of the word. Its
the real deal and its in line with the deep studies that Dr. Arnold Murray teach with understanding.

Royal,

First, ye do err in your elevation of ANY man to the level of "scholar". Jesus warn his disciples of such:

Matthew 23:8-12

• But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
• And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
• Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
• But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
• And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

There is no perfect man. The inspired word of God (absent of commentary) is the foundation "THE ROCK". I often read expositors (Dr. McGee, Dr. Constable, Jonathan Edwards, Martin Luther and many more) to gain insights to God's word, but none have I found not lacking and none I will consider worthy of praise. Again, the bible warns us not to:

1 Timothy 5:22. Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

Also given that the heart of man (all, including you, Roger Christopherson and ME) are flawed!!! Thus, Christians should support and only stand by "JESUS". At the end of the Day, this is the current state of man:

Jeremiah 17:9. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


Your lack of acceptance (in most forums) is refuted by your comments that "we don't understand (i.e. these mysteries are such that some can never attain)". This is one of Satan's primary manipulation of scripture, when he leads the lost to believe they have been single out with a revelation unknown to others, but one's work can be verified by looking at one's FRUITS.

My final recommendation to you is: Stick with Jesus and Jesus only (Not Jesus and Roger Christopherson, Not Jesus and me, Not Jesus and the Pope and etc...)


John 1:1-3

• In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
• The same was in the beginning with God.
• All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is the Living word... all that is written in the Holy Bible was inspired by him. Commentary is just a human interpretation and should never usurp the final authority.

 

[Tony]

Yes, Satan was here on earth but you have to remember that he is being held in Heaven as we speak. Satan will be kicked out of Heaven soon and he will play Jesus shortly. God has told us everything and all I can say is just wait and see.

Are we talking about the intial revolt or satan's final revolt?


How can Satan be "held in Heaven" when he causes so much hell on earth?

"held in heaven"??? What about where it says he walks the earth like a lion....



What we do know is this:


the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satan?s fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satan?s fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the garden, Scripture does not specifically say.

The book of Job tells us that, for a time at least, Satan still had access to heaven and to the throne of God. ?One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, ?Where have you come from?? Satan answered the LORD, ?From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it?" (Job 1:6-7). Apparently at that time, Satan was still moving freely between heaven and earth, speaking to God directly and answering for his activities. At what point God discontinued this access is unknown.


So even if the War of Rev. 12:7-9 hasn't happen yet, as you say

then why is Peter speaking in past tense here

2 Peter chapter 2 verse 4

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Hmm.. that verse doesn't say accusing until judgement, didn't satan already accuse God?
I know he accused God of stuff when he was talking to Eve.

You think maybe satan goes back to heaven and starts that war?? But that would mean that
only then 1/3 angels would get cast down because you say it hasn't happen yet
So only then would satan angels start to do their thing on the earth. Seems like they're already getting busy on earth now.

Now where will Armageddon be fought? In heaven or on Earth?

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Are we talking about the intial revolt or satan's final revolt?

I'm going to tell you a secret that many pastors and Christians don't know. The "Old Testament" speaks more about the "End Times" than the "New Testament". Having said that, you can be reading a chapter in the "Old Testament" and it can be talking about something that happened past tense and the "VERY" next verse "INSTANTLY" goes into the future......cool huh! This is why its good to study with a good scholar because he or she breaks it down with the necessary tools and x-reference scripture by painting a better picture for you to see and understand. Having said that, "ONLY" God can allow you to see what others can't. You can read the same thing 1k times but if the "Holy Spirit" doesn't touch and open your eyes then you'll never get it. It doesn't matter who you are or how intelligent you may be. Our intelligence is nothing compared to God's and it is He who approves and disapproves of knowledge in His word. Those who seek Him and His knowledge with love and an open mind will always find Him and what they're looking for. He only gives you what you can handle. This is why I urge people to "Sincerely" pray for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding "BEFORE" they read the word because only God can bring clarity and peace of mind. Brother, if God allows you to understand what happened in the "Garden of Eden" then you're well on your way to understanding His plan in which He "SECRETLY" locked in the scripture for those who have "EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR". For example, II Kings 6:14 "Therefore sent he thither horses, and chariots, and a great host: and they came by night, and compassed the city about."

II Kings 6:15 "And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, and host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, "Alas, my master! how shall we do?"

II Kings 6:16 "And he answered, "Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them."

II Kings 6:17 "And Elisha prayed, and said, "Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see." And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha." http://www.theseason.org/2kings/2kings6.htm

God's horses and chariots are what people call UFO's. Ezekiel described them and they fit the description of what people see today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXe61A7pUw

You see I know what they are because God said they belong to Him and this is the same vehicle that took Moses, Elijah, Christ and I think one more but I'm not sure. Whenever you see "Whirlwind" then its referring to God's transportation 8 times out of 10. Satan has his own transportation as well and thats how all of God's children travel. You see, most people can't handle the truth and thats why mysteries are hidden from those who can't handle it in the flesh. This is why Elijah prayed that God open his servant's eyes whereby he could see what God allowed Elijah to see.


For some reason I felt compelled to share that information but now I will answer your questions.

Are we talking about the intial revolt or satan's final revolt? How can Satan be "held in Heaven" when he causes so much hell on earth? "held in heaven"??? What about where it says he walks the earth like a lion....

Whats the chapter and verse that says he walks the earth like a lion. I know he once did and will soon do it again. In fact women are suppose to keep Christ over their head because the angels will be marrying the daughters of men when Satan and his gang return. The reason I know he's held is because scripture says so. Satan's evil spirit roams the earth just like God's Holy Spirit can roam the earth. Satan is not here yet and when he does arrive the ehole world will know it because he'll be playing Jesus.....the antichrist. Revelation 20:1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

"Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." http://www.theseason.org/revelation/revelation20.htm

THE PAST Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

Revelation 12:5 "And she brought forth a man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."(PAST AND FUTURE IN ONE VERSE) Did you catch that?

Revelation 12:6 "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

This time is when God's protection is given for the woman "Israel"(Christian Nations). Following the resurrection, and transposing these days into years, it would bring us up to the early 1800's A.D., when the house of Israel(Christian Nations) nations became superpowers.

THE FUTURE Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose.

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." http://www.theseason.org/revelation/revelation12.htm

Armageddon will be fought on earth and God will fight that war. The Final two battles on this earth will be fought by God alone. They won't last very long and the whole world will witness the battles. In fact, the battle of Hamon Gog will be fought with nature alone. God is going to reign down 180lb hailstones on Russia, China, and the rest of the communist nations that will try and attack America. http://www.theseason.org/ezekiel/ezekiel38.htm



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[Tony]

Whats the chapter and verse that says he walks the earth like a lion

1Peter chapter 5 verse 8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

Now that verse says the devil, not his spirit &
why would I have to be vigilant, if Im on earth & he was in heaven?
It didn't say be vigilant of the devil's spirit or spirits he may send, it

says; your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

1Peter chapter 5 verse 8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

Now that verse says the devil, not his spirit &
why would I have to be vigilant, if Im on earth & he was in heaven?
It didn't say be vigilant of the devil's spirit or spirits he may send, it

says; your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

This is all I can dig out from my source. I Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour:"

To "be sober" is to be sensible, and to be "vigilant" is to be aware and sincere in what you are doing. Be ready for those things that could come against you, and not stumbling around in a fog. It is to have that alarm set and ready to go off when the world would come against you. Remember that our adversary is Satan the devil, and his sole mission is to trip you up and accuse you before the throne of God. The "adversary " is one of the names of Satan, the devil. Job tells us that Satan is right there in heaven before the throne of God accusing us of the things that we do. However When you repent in Jesus name, you have the power over Satan and all his realm, so take that power and use it. He has to go when you tell him to go.

I Peter 5:9 "Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world."

This is why we have the gospel armor on and in place for, to resist steadfast in the faith.

I Peter 5:10 "But the God of all grace, Who hath called us unto His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you."

Our God is the God who gives us all that we have, unmerited favor, and God has called us to share in that glory that our Lord Jesus Christ will have in His kingdom. There is going to be some suffering, or trials before you will mature in His Word to where you will have the strength to stand against Satan and his realm. You will never be perfect in the flesh, as the word "perfect" in the English means, but you can be mature in your thinking. You can be settled in your mind as to what you are and are not to do.

When you become a mature Christian you will not be like a reed shaken in the wind, bouncing from one doctrine and religious thought to another, and never quite knowing where you stand. Grow up and know that the "oracles of God" are the only doctrines that are profitable in your life. When you follow those oracles the you will be using your gifts, and God will be blessing your for you steadfastness to His Word. Friend, you will be rewarded eternally.

I Peter 5:11 "To Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

It is to God our Father, and to our Lord Jesus Christ that all the glory and dominion goes to, for ever and ever. Amen, signifies that it is true. http://www.theseason.org/1peter/1peter5.htm

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I hope this helps you because God has a plan and Lucifer and the fallen angels are not to be released from heaven until the appointed time. The times in the bible that he and the angels walked the earth were allowed by God. God had to give permission for Satan to test Job and he was given strict orders. Job did not deal with Lucifer in person, however Satan did tempt Christ in person. The fallen angels do not have freedom to roam the earth. Their evil spirits have free reign to roam the earth. You know, I just came across that verse in Isiah that talked about the evil spirits that roam the earth. I'll have to go back and dig it out and I'll share it later. Look at it this way, demons are referred to as evil spirits. People are possessed and attacked by evil spirits.....not an actual person. If this is too much to grasp then don't worry about it. My pastor always say put it on the shelf and pray about it.

 

[illinijag]

After laughing almost to the point of tears, I felt compelled to reply to this. I love to be entertained but not at the expense of ?God?s Word?.

God's horses and chariots are what people call UFO's. Ezekiel described them and they fit the description of what people see today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXe61A7pUw

So now we are to consider YOUTUBE video as a source of divine revelation? A flying dot or disc on a fuzzy (unsubstantiated video) should be considered as testimony to an act occurred with Ezekiel. To go from an assumption to a stated fact (without yielding to: ?this may be a possibility?) is placing confidence in something whole heatedly, only Jesus (our God) deserve such allegiance. Brother I pray you are not allowing someone else?s doctrine to render you bound to these conclusions, you seem to have an ?itching ear? for remote/unique interpretations of scripture. This is also identified in scripture:

2 Timothy 4:3-5

• 
  [*]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
  [*]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
  [*]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

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[Bane]

Yes, Satan was here on earth but you have to remember that he is being held in Heaven as we speak. Satan will be kicked out of Heaven soon and he will play Jesus shortly. God has told us everything and all I can say is just wait and see.

Are you sure about that. I think you're taking Job 1:6-8 completely out of context.

Job 1: 6-8
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

Yes satan currently has access to Heaven, but he is not held there. Their are to many scriptures that dispute that claim.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Are you sure about that. I think you're taking Job 1:6-8 completely out of context.

Job 1: 6-8
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

Yes satan currently has access to Heaven, but he is not held there. Their are to many scriptures that dispute that claim.

All souls that are not in the flesh go to God. This is documented in Ecclesiastes. Satan has no power over God nor can he travel wherever he pleases without God's permission. For example, 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it." Most Christians would agree that God knew where Satan had been. Most Christians also agree that God can prevent Satan from doing anything his heart desire. Having said that, Satan is being held until the appointed time of his release. When Christ returns then he'll be held again until the end of the 1000 year millennium and theN he'll be loosed for a short season to test those who did not participate in the first resurrection. Once they have have been tested, then comes "Judgment Day" and Satan and the rest of the bad souls will be destroyed in the lake of fire. You can read about this in http://www.theseason.org/2thess/2thess2.htm and http://www.theseason.org/revelation/revelation12.htm

God lets us know that Satan is being held and those who've died and did not make it are being held in "Paradise" as well. Just because they're in heaven does not mean they made it. There are two sides in "Paradise". One side is good and the other side is bad. You can read about this in Luke 16:19-31 http://www.theseason.org/luke/luke16.htm

Satan has a job to do for God and he will do it so well that the majority of the world will be deceived......including Christians. Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

 

[illinijag]

Another day and the comedy continues. Now that the laughter is over, Let us explore the Biblical facts.

God lets us know that Satan is being held and those who've died and did not make it are being held in "Paradise" as well. Just because they're in heaven does not mean they made it. There are two sides in "Paradise". One side is good and the other side is bad. You can read about this in Luke 16:19-31 http://www.theseason.org/luke/luke16.htm

So now we are to believe that Paradise and/or Heaven has both sinners and saints?
So now we are to believe that there is a Department of Hades/Hell in Heaven?

Your statement "There are two sides in "Paradise". One side is good and the other side is bad." is either Fact of Hearsay!

Even in the scriptures YOU referenced "Luke 16:19-31", the rich man is in Hell. Please read the scriptures and not just Roger Christopherson's Commentary:

Luke 16:22-24

• And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
• And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
• And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

This story has been debated as being and actual event, an event to come or just a parable. In any case it is given to admonish us to live life in preparation for Judgment?. Therefore; Seek God and his righteousness (Matthew 6:33).

Commentary is not always required to under some scriptures. However, the lack of the Holy Spirit may allow someone to comprehend not that which is clearly implied. Someone with an ?Itching Ear? will always search for some different/unique interpretation or a new revelation.

 

[Tony]

One of the oldest tricks that?s the devil uses is to recite or in this case post scripture,
Then immediately go off on some unrelated tangent that the very scripture that was posted
Doesn?t support

Straying away from the Bible you can get into something more like mythology.


Then the use of wild interpretations for every scripture.

If the scripture says Noah built an ark, We now have to see a huge post in blue and red
About why it really wasn?t an ark but some kind of time travel device :xeye:

Then get accused of God not allowing us to see that it was a time travel device

And admonishing us to go Pray about it :xeye:

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

One of the oldest tricks that?s the devil uses is to recite or in this case post scripture,
Then immediately go off on some unrelated tangent that the very scripture that was posted
Doesn?t support

Straying away from the Bible you can get into something more like mythology.


Then the use of wild interpretations for every scripture.

If the scripture says Noah built an ark, We now have to see a huge post in blue and red
About why it really wasn?t an ark but some kind of time travel device :xeye:

Then get accused of God not allowing us to see that it was a time travel device

And admonishing us to go Pray about it :xeye:

Before you get discouraged and accuse me of not understanding what God has allowed me and others to see, then I would hope you'd take a closer in depth look at the picture. Do you remember when Noah was building the ark and everyone was laughing, saying he was crazy? Why did they say he was crazy? They said it because it hadn't rained in years therefore it made Noah seem like a nut case. Think about it. It hadn't rained in years and this dude is building an ark because he says God told him there was gonna be a great flood. Well, we all know what happened to the so called crazy man and we also know what happened to those who thought Noah was delusional. CHRIST stated that it would be like in the days of Noah and Lot. Whats my point? You may think I'm crazy, weird, in a cult, and etc. but understand something. When someone gives you information that sounds strange then maybe you should "SINCERELY" check it out. When God told 20 year old Jeremiah to tell them folks they're going into captivity, they laughed and told him he was just a boy and knew nothing. Well, we know what happened to Jeremiah and we also know what happened to those who thought he didn't know what he was talking about. I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

"Ensamples" in the manuscripts is the Greek word "tupos", number 5179 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. "a sample, or type; i.e. a model for imitation, a fashion, for manner, or form." So Paul is telling us that those things that we read about in the Old Testament, of the events of the prophets of old are examples of what we should be looking for in our day. This is written to alert all people to be aware of how it shall be before Christ returns. What was written in the Exodus, or in Amos is written as examples for our admonition or warning. All of the Scriptures is given as a warning to those who are living in the times of the ends of this world age of the flesh. We will see the end of the flesh age come to a close, and there are many things that will come to pass right before our eyes that were written about in detail way back in the Old Testament time, and Paul is telling you and I to wake up to those warnings.

Each of the events that took place, the opening of the Red sea, the building of the false religious forms, and so on. God is telling us "look little children that is what is going to happen to you at the close of this earth age". We are living in that age, and these things are happening now. Can you learn by this? It is so simple. God did not leave us helpless nor hopeless in these end times, and that is why we must become skilled in all of His Word. It is all an example of what is going to befall us in our generation. http://www.theseason.org/1corin/1corin10.htm


Before you criticize me then at least be fair about it. Don't criticize me because the information is strange and I could be wrong. Criticize me because you know with a certainty that I'm wrong. If I didn't know any better, I've already been judged by some on this forum. A few people think they're God and have falsely accused me of being wrong without doing an in depth study to prove me wrong.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

When Christ returns it will be a sad day for billions of people but you make your own bed. It reminds me of the story about the man who was looking for Jesus to save him. He kept turning those who came to help him away and died. When he got to heaven he asked God why didn't he save him from drowning. God told him I sent the boat, and chopper but you refused them both. Don't let this happen to you when that time comes. God sends people to help people and if you can't take the time to research and sincerely study then you make your own bed. Brother, dwell on it and pray about it. I've sent you secrets that have been researched and uncovered but you have to make your own choice. If you would just take what I sent you line by line and pray about it then you'll be ok. All you have to do is pray about it, study line by line and compare what you've read to the commentary. You'll find that its correct, accurate and eye opening. Seek God's knowledge in love and honesty and it shall be revealed to you. These things are hidden and only God can allow you to see it. I'm willing to bet that Elisha's servant thought he was crazy when the army surrounded the city but when Elisha prayed to God it was revealed to him. I don't know if you're God's elect or not but the only way to know is if you can see what others can't and if you understand God's plan. I'll continue to pray for you.

 

[illinijag]

Before you criticize me then at least be fair about it. Don't criticize me because the information is strange and I could be wrong. Criticize me because you know with a certainty that I'm wrong. If I didn't know any better, I've already been judged by some on this forum. A few people think they're God and have falsely accused me of being wrong without doing an in depth study to prove me wrong.

I know for Certain (based on God's Word) that the vast amount of what you post is WRONG. The evidence is in your postings. You have failed to convince the masses, in that you have not refuted your opposition with the truth, by the truth.

Jesus, Noah, Jeremiah, Paul and many more (True Disciples of God) were never proved wrong with Scripture, they were rejected due the Conviction the Truth (Word of God) brought to there adversaries. You seem to be in a funk; this is because you Have No Scripture to rely on. You have been rejected because your false doctrine has no value or authority. The True Word of God gives authority. The Truth (The true word of God) has tremendous AUTHORITY it brings Conviction, Fear (reverence) and Correction. Your doctrine is "doctrine of Man" which brings confusion, division and Lacks CONVICTION. True word of God, does not come back Void:

?Isaiah 55:11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.?


I am not God nor do I wish to Judge you, only God knows your faith. However, If you claim to be a Christian, we as Christians have a responsibility to correct you (1 Cor. 5:12. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?). If you are not a Christian, just list this fact in your post and I will ignore the heresy listed therein.

I am a Christian and if any one is a Christian, please care enough to rebuke, correct and even Judge me. Just as most, I do not like to be Judge; however, I rather be judged (unto correction) on earth than to be Judge in Eternity. I hold fast to:

• John 7:24. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.(Judge according to the word of God, not by what you feel or think. Judge the Fruits)
  
• Proverbs 9:8. Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.( Again, a Christian has no right to rebuke you, if you do not claim to be a Christian)

At the end of the day Mr. Royal, You too have been an instrument of God. Many seem to read your post and most have identified what true heresy is, thus many have read and/or searched the Scriptures to refute your claims. This too has been written:

Romans 8:28. And we know that all things (even heresy) work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

(IF ONLY ONE PERSON HAS OPENED THEIR BIBLE TO VERIFY OR REFUTE WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED, ALL GLORY MUST BE GIVEN TO GOD)

Given such, I truly Thank you Mr. Royal. You have given me cause to keep my Bible open.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I know for Certain (based on God's Word) that the vast amount of what you post is WRONG. The evidence is in your postings. You have failed to convince the masses, in that you have not refuted your opposition with the truth, by the truth.

II Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Sa'-tan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness [deceit] of unrighteousness in [for] them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,"

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [send them a working of error], that they should believe a lie;"

II Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned [judged] who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

II Thessalonians 2:13 "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" http://www.theseason.org/2thess/2thess2.htm

I posted this scripture to make a point. If I have enough sense to know Satan will play Jesus and deceive the world, then that in itself is sufficient as far as my credibility is concerned. It will be this "single" event that will cause millions of Christians to stumble and pray for mountains to fall on them because they served and worshiped Satan. You don't have to believe me or take my word for it because scripture says God Himself will help them believe the lie and judge them according to what they allowed themselves to believe. I don't know about you but I have peace of mind and we shall see in the end.

I hope you can comprehend verse 11 because it will go down exactly as it is written. Are you ready to testify against Satan?

Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:"

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake,, for a testimony against them."

Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be published among all nations."

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

Mark 13:12 "Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death."

Mark 13:13 "And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chose, He hath shortened the days."

Mark 13:21 "And then if any man shall say to you, `Lo, here is Christ; or, `Lo, He is there;' believe him not."

Mark 13:22 "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

Mark 13:23 "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

I'm ready with the Gospel armor on and in place to testify against Satan, his fallen angels, and his offspring. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out I clearly understand scripture, especially when it comes to Satan playing Jesus. Its that simple. Pray for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding and it shall be granted. I pray you all will be ready and to God be the Glory.

 

[illinijag]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out I clearly understand scripture, especially when it comes to Satan playing Jesus. Its that simple. Pray for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding and it shall be granted. I pray you all will be ready and to God be the Glory.

Slow your roll brother and Please rid yourself of self-Praise; let the Bible determine the veracity of your interpretations. If not this statement you heed, heed that which is written:

• Proverbs 27:2. Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.
• 2 Corinthians 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
• Matthew 23:12. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

In response to your statement "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out I clearly understand scripture (WOE), especially when it comes to Satan playing Jesus. Its that simple."

You should seek not the approval of a Rocket Scientist; although He or She is exalted by the World?s Educational Standards to have Superior Knowledge of Worldly Things. If he or she is not saved, such means nothing to God. However, a less educated humbled Christians have been given secrets to the kingdom with discernment (via the Holy Spirit), this is the court from which you should seek your approval.

My point of Reference:

1 Corinthians 2:14. But the natural man (or unsaved Rocket Scientist) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 1:19-21.

• For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
• Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
• For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

I think it is clear to you that it is not clear to others That ?You Clearly Understand Scripture?. Even you, know that this court (forum) has rendered this verdict a long time ago (To Thine Own Self Be True - William Shakespeare).

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Slow your roll brother and Please rid yourself of self-Praise; let the Bible determine the veracity of your interpretations.

Its not self-praise. Its called protect your credibility and thats exactly what I did because you questioned my credibility with this statement.

"I know for Certain (based on God's Word) that the vast amount of what you post is WRONG. The evidence is in your postings. You have failed to convince the masses, in that you have not refuted your opposition with the truth, by the truth."

 

[illinijag]

Its not self-praise. Its called protect your credibility and thats exactly what I did because you questioned my credibility with this statement.

Again, this is where we differ. I place no credibility in myself. Only in God and His Holy Word, Credit is due. What I have is faith in one who Has Credibility.

Given man?s condition, Can a Man truly confess to have Credibility?​

• Psalms 118:8. It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
• Job 15:16. How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?
• Jeremiah 17:9. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

That which I do not Have (credibility), I have no need to protect. So if anyone wish to question my credibility, don't waste your time, I DON'T HAVE ANY. However, I Do Have a Savior, that has a Sword, which is THE WORD OF GOD. He and only He provides my protection.

"Ephesians 6:17. And you will need the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit--which is the Word of God."

My point: All Glory and Praise should go to GOD.​

James 1:17. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

Again, this is where we differ. I place no credibility in myself. Only in God and His Holy Word, Credit is due. What I have is faith in one who Has Credibility.

Its sad you feel that way but I too don't put my trust in man, however Christians must prove themselves to God if they wish to enter the eternity. God has a job for His Elect to do and He chose His Elect to put Satan under Christ's feet before Christ return.

Luke 21:12 "But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake."

Luke 21:13 "And it shall turn to you for a testimony."

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought before-hand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit."

Luke 21:14 "Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:"

Luke 21:15 "For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist."

Luke 21:18 "But there shall not an hair of your head perish."

As you can see, God has a job for us to do and our adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Its a blessing to be God's Elect and I can't wait to testify against Satan. God's Elect is precious to Him and even Christ said so. God's Elect earned the right to be chosen in the "First Earth Age" when we stood against Satan. God saw us stand against Satan in the "First Earth Age" and He will use us to stand against Satan in this "Earth Age".....the Second.

Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chose, He hath shortened the days."

Luke 18:7 "And shall not God avenge His own elect, which cry day and night unto Him, though He bear long with them?"

John 15:18 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you."

John 15:19 "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

John 15:20 "Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also."

John 15:21 "But all these things will they do unto you for My name's sake, because they know not Him That sent Me."

Whats my point? As one of God's Elect I have a job to do and I will protect my credibility as a servant of the Living God. He chose us for a reason and I will do His will even if it cost me my life.

 

[illinijag]

Whats my point? As one of God's Elect I have a job to do and I will protect my credibility as a servant of the Living God. He chose us for a reason and I will do His will even if it cost me my life.

With the exception of the selected quote, I did not understand your posting.

To address what I did understand. I pose this (rhetorical) question to you:

What evidence (FRUITS) have you presented that has established your Credibility?

Please Keep in mine, most of us don't know you from Adam. The fruits we see are your POSTINGS.

Matthew 7:20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.​

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

With the exception of the selected quote, I did not understand your posting.

To address what I did understand. I pose this (rhetorical) question to you:

What evidence (FRUITS) have you presented that has established your Credibility?

Please Keep in mine, most of us don't know you from Adam. The fruits we see are your POSTINGS.

Matthew 7:20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.​

If you didn't understand my posting then I pray God will open your spiritual eyes before Lucifer gets here because you must be sealed by God before Satan arrives. This is the only way you know if you're God's Elect or not. How do you know if you're God's Elect? If you understand God's overall plan, what happened in the "Garden of Eden", who the "kenites" are, and that Satan will come to this earth to play Jesus then you're one of God's Elect. If you don't understand that God has a plan and Satan and the kenites will fulfill the negative part of God's plan, then pray that God will open your spiritual eyes whereby you have peace of mind. In order to understand whats going on you'll have to understand what happened in the "Garden of Eden". I can't make you understand nor can I simplify it better than I already have. It is God and "ONLY" God that can allow your spiritual eyes to open and see the hidden mysteries of heaven. This is why I consistently plead for everyone to pray and ask God for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. God has given us His plan and its imperative that you check "EVERYTHING" especially if it seems strange but possible. People laughed when I told them that Lucifer impregnated Eve but when I showed them Genesis 6:4 they looked confused because they knew that Genesis 6:4 clearly states that the "Sons of God"(Angels) married and impregnated the daughters of men and the women birthed Giants. Why were they Giants? When you mix "Supernatural" with "Natural" you'll create a hybrid. My second question to those who laughed was "where did these Angels get the idea of impregnating the daughters of men." There is "ONLY" one person you can get such an evil idea from and thats "Lucifer." He did it to Eve and sent other "Fallen Angels" to do it to others.

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Jude 7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

Jude 8 "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."

Jude 9 "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said "The Lord rebuke thee."

Jude 10 "But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

Jude 11 "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."

Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Genesis 6:3 "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

God is telling you the Angels left Heaven, came to earth and defiled their spiritual bodies by marrying and sleeping with flesh and blood.

My last question was "if the fallen angels could impregnate flesh and blood then its possible that Satan impregnated Eve with Cain. Remember, Eve was the one who said that she got a son from the Lord.....it wasn't God. Keep in mind that this is the same woman that told Adam she tried Satan out and said he was good. Just because she said Satan was good doesn't mean he is and just because she said she got a child from God doesn't mean did. Cain is from the Devil, Serpent, Dragon, Assyrian, or whatever name you wish to call him. He plays many roles and he played the role of a serpent in the Garden of Eden." How do we know that Satan has children.

God said He did in this verse "Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."

Christ identifies Lucifer's offspring....the kenites. John 8:41 "Ye do the deeds of your father." Then said they to Him, "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God."

DID YOU CATCH THAT? THEY CALLED JESUS A LIE TO HIS FACE.

John 8:42 "Jesus said unto them, "If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God: neither came I of My self, but He sent Me."

JESUS TOLD THEM AGAIN THAT THEY ARE NOT FROM GOD.

John 8:43 "Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word."

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

JESUS HAS NOW IDENTIFIED WHO THEIR FATHER IS AND NOW THEY'RE UPSET.

Matthew 13:38; "The field is the world; and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

CHRIST IS TELLING US IN PLAIN LANGUAGE WHEREBY A CHILD COULD UNDERSTAND.

Matthew 13:39; "The enemy that soweth them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

John 8:45 "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not."

John 8:46 "Which of you convinceth Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?"

John 8:47 "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."

John 8:48 "Then answered the Jews, and said unto Him, "Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?"

THEY ARE SO MAD THAT THEY JUST TOLD JESUS HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING AND HE HAS A DEVIL IN HIM.

Jesus put it in such a simplistic way that a child could understand what Satan did to Eve and Adam in the Garden.

 

[illinijag]

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

God is telling you the Angels left Heaven, came to earth and defiled their spiritual bodies by marrying and sleeping with flesh and blood.

My last question was "if the fallen angels could impregnate flesh and blood then its possible that Satan impregnated Eve with Cain. Remember, Eve was the one who said that she got a son from the Lord.....it wasn't God. Keep in mind that this is the same woman that told Adam she tried Satan out and said he was good. Just because she said Satan was good doesn't mean he is and just because she said she got a child from God doesn't mean did. Cain is from the Devil, Serpent, Dragon, Assyrian, or whatever name you wish to call him. He plays many roles and he played the role of a serpent in the Garden of Eden." How do we know that Satan has children.

Deuteronomy 29:29. The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law​

I?ve studied Genesis 6:4 in the past and have come to a safe conclusion that I have no conclusive resolution as to whom the Giants were/are. For someone to make an assumption, without scripture proof would be reckless; to use assumption as FACT is to show little regard to God?s Holy Word. Thus, I will choose not to be reckless with Gods Word or the interpretation thereof.

So I will make this simple. Below is the Literal Translation with strong reference #s of Gen. 6:4.

Genesis 6: 4. |5303| The Nephilim |1961| were |0776| on the earth |3117| in days |1992| those, |1571| and even |0310| afterward |3651| when |0834| - |0935| came in |1121| the sons of |0430| God |0413| to |1323| the daughters of |0120| men |3205| and they gave birth to |0000| to them. |1992| They were |1368| heroes |0834| who {existed} |5769| from ancient times, |0376| the men of |8034| reputation.

Strong's Ref. # 5303 - This Hebrew word (Nephilim) is defined as bully or tyrant:
KJV list it as Giant.


If Giant is actually a Bully or Tyrant, you have used an assumption (Giants are Fallen Angels) as fact. Then you proceeded to make your statement:

?God is telling you the Angels left Heaven, came to earth and defiled their spiritual bodies by marrying and sleeping with flesh and blood.?

If your assumption is not true, you are ?LYING ON GOD?. Before you state what God Said, I admonish you to make sure he made the statement (i.e. book, chapter, verse).

?Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.?


In your second paragraph you stated that Satan could have impregnated Eve with Cain, this too is based on the assumption (Giants are Fallen Angels).

IF, your originally assumption is not true. :angry:Woe unto you!:angry:

To make biblical statement based on assumptions is like building a house on ?SINKING SAND?! To do so, is to rely on one?s own CREDIBILITY.

I, who have no CREDIBILITY, have a Rock, who is A Savior, through whom there is Credibility. I will used no assumption as biblical fact, only that which is clearly stated by the Word of God.

We must never let our Zeal for spiritual knowledge proceed beyond that which is not clearly stated in Scripture.

Are Giants in Gen. 6:4 Fallen Angel? Maybe or Maybe not , My God has not reveal such to me. However, I will have all Eternity to find out, if such is His Will.

 

[Tony]

I believe some good is emerging from this discourse
we are studying His Word.
We are seemingly moving away from tradition and trying to get a real understanding of the Word

This is good.

 

[ROYAL BLUE]

I believe some good is emerging from this discourse
we are studying His Word.
We are seemingly moving away from tradition and trying to get a real understanding of the Word

This is good.

Tony, if you keep an open mind and a positive attitude then God will reveal those hidden secrets to you or anyone. The key to learning about those secrets is having a positive attitude and keeping an open mind for learning. Look at it this way, in order to become a Christian you must first have an open mind and "BELIEVE" that Jesus, in whom you've never seen died on the cross and raised Himself from the dead to pay for our sins. Having said that, it takes an open mind and God's Holy spirit to believe such an awesome miracle. Well, its the same thing when it comes to the hidden mysteries of God. You must first have an open mind to learning, a positive attitude, and then you must pray for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding because you want to grow as a Christian in His "Holy Word." Remember, "Your attitude determines your altitude." God will only give you what you can handle. He will never put no more on you than you can handle and thats a biblical fact. Keep a good attitude, open mind, and pray for knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. Do it God's way and sit back and enjoy the ride.