Frustration Forced Williams From Grambling


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I think Doug did a good job of not "Dogging" his school out with his explanation. He could have seriously trashed the facilities and administration. In the articles I didn't see where he said how bad the facilities were, just they needed maintaince and upgrading. He didn't say his kids didn't have a place to workout, just wanted what the other schools have. Nowhere did I see him question the academic support given his kids or say the dorms weren't livable. He just said they didn't respond to his request in an approprate amount of time.

Did he bamboozle the kids that just signed? No more then the kids that signed four or five years ago that thought he would be there until they left. Don't all coaches say they want to see you graduate? Do all of them stay? Sometimes they leave because of job opportunities, sometimes because the administration or alumni want them gone. Does anyone ask, "what about the kids", when they want the coach fired? This is apart of recruiting that the players need to learn about before signing. The guys that sign you might not be the ones that coach you.

That why its important that we teach these kids, you're looking for an education that will stay with you for life, not a coach. A good coach makes that decision easier, but football is a means to a end, not the end.
 
Originally posted by bornthrilla
All he is doing is making those recruits think they have been bamboozeled.
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So why hasn't any of them left? Why is it that when the coaches called all 20 something of those recruits after it was certain Doug was leaving they still said they were coming?

I know many of you will ignore this, but Doug didn't recruit half of the people who signed with us - Spears did. Doug and Spears make it clear that when they are recruiting athletes to play for Gram, they tell them that they are not there to play for Doug Williams, but they are there to play for Grambling.

Thats a beautiful thing. Brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it. :bawling:

*snicker*
 



Originally posted by SAME OLD G

I know many of you will ignore this, but Doug didn't recruit half of the people who signed with us - Spears did. Doug and Spears make it clear that when they are recruiting athletes to play for Gram, they tell them that they are not there to play for Doug Williams, but they are there to play for Grambling.

Thats a beautiful thing. Brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it. :bawling:

*snicker*
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you trying to sell us on the notion that Williams had almost nothing to do with most of the recruits coming to Grambling? I can't buy that one. Even if Spears was the guy who made contact with the recruits, you can't discount Williams' impact on their final decision. He has more name recognition than most D-1A coaches, don't tell me that doesn't make a huge difference in recruiting. I'm not saying Spears won't do well, but let's be real. You can't spend years boosting Williams as a savior, only to minimize his impact on recruiting after he leaves.
 
There's a chance that I will have a different opinion once I read more, but at this moment I'm not impressed with Doug's comments. Doug is a graduate of Grambling, he coached at Morehouse, then on to Grambling so I would believe that he is fully aware of the system. It wouldn't surprise me if he had it better than the rest of SWAC coaches. I get the impression that Doug wants what he wants when he wants it or he's out. Of course when I'm proven wrong, I will humbly aopolgize.:)
 
Originally posted by JSU/99
Correct me if i'm wrong, but are you trying to sell us on the notion that Williams had almost nothing to do with most of the recruits coming to Grambling? I can't buy that one. Even if Spears was the guy who made contact with the recruits, you can't discount Williams' impact on their final decision. He has more name recognition than most D-1A coaches, don't tell me that doesn't make a huge difference in recruiting. I'm not saying Spears won't do well, but let's be real. You can't spend years boosting Williams as a savior, only to minimize his impact on recruiting after he leaves.
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No, I am not trying to sell anything. I am just stating the facts as they are. Like I said, coaches sell the idea on getting recruits excited about playing for Grambling, not about playing for Doug Williams. And the proof is in the fact that we haven't lost any recruits. Larry Kerlegan called Melvin Spears himself when he found out about Doug leaving to ask if Spears was staying. He made it clear that if Spears was leaving, he wasn't going to Grambling.

It would be foolish of me to minimize Doug's impact on recruiting talent. The first step to recruiting talent is being able recognize it. Doug did that, but its even harder to get a person to play for your program. Doug did that also. But it would also be foolish of me not to give Coach Spears his due credit for the work he put in. Its as simple as that.

But like I said. I don't expect you to accept that.
 
Well, whether anyone wants out or not, they can't just walk away without sitting out a year, unless they go D2 or lower. The NCAA is clear on this issue. You sign to play for a school, not the coach. And I'm not sure if Gram would have to release them from that contract (letter of intent).
 
Originally posted by Maroon & Grey
don't worry...they will.....I know of one already who wants out because Doug ain't coming.
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If a recruit wants out let him go. We don't need anyone that doesn't want to be at Grambling. Give him a release and send him on his way. Good luck. ;)
 
It is true melvin recruyited those kids but let it be known all of them envsioned palying for doug .i knwo one personally who was pissed off.The notion kids are coming to play for grambling is crazy almost all of those kids thought they would be playing fo rdoug williams .I f you think doug wasn not in on the kerlegan kid and spears tlak you are fooling yourselves.I will say this doug covered his steps well.melvin recruited all the kids like he was the head coach.i thought heishma northern was teh recuiting coordinator.spears all of sudden the man .i love gram to death but i refuse to be blinded by foolish thinking.im sure those kids want to play for gram.if kerlegan wants to play so bad for gram how come he said if spears goes he goes too.wake up people.i aint mad at doug for atleast setting the table ie dean smith for gutridge.i jsut don't like th earticles that are following.i wish him the best.what did he expect his school was inthe middle of saving the entire school not just the football team .im sure warner had a lil more important hings to do than to cater to him at that time.this is 1aa not 1a buget money.eddie rob did not have half the stuff the team has now and still won games and recruits .he sold grambling not his own name to recruits.soem folks break my face like richard pryor used to say.i just these articles would stop on doug wnat and needs. keep the positibve articles on recruits coming but as far these other articles man chill out with that stuff.i wish melvin the best andhope sis preapred for super pressure . lets get to spring training please w/o any more why doug left stories.i once heard him on a radio show saying he wish they had a field turf pracitce field outthere when it rains!!!!!can we get fieldturf in the hole first please.i heard that and bust out laughing.this is 1aa again i repeat not 1a budget money.you have work what you got.imagine how teh rest of the college world felt when eddie was in his run ."they winning allthose games with no type of facilities or bit time practice field"amazing to me how he did it with no big time waight room like they have now or field house like they now.gram needs to get back to that .just hard work and who care what we have .just win games .
 
Originally posted by STC_60
i knwo one personally who was pissed off.The notion kids are coming to play for grambling is crazy almost all of those kids thought they would be playing fo rdoug williams .I f you think doug wasn not in on the kerlegan kid and spears tlak you are fooling yourselves.
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Tell that to your comrad who says that the kids are coming to play for Grambling. And who says that the kids are still happy just to be playing for Grambling and they havent left............yet.
 
Originally posted by AAMU Big Dawg
I think Doug did a good job of not "Dogging" his school out with his explanation. He could have seriously trashed the facilities and administration. In the articles I didn't see where he said how bad the facilities were, just they needed maintaince and upgrading. He didn't say his kids didn't have a place to workout, just wanted what the other schools have. Nowhere did I see him question the academic support given his kids or say the dorms weren't livable. He just said they didn't respond to his request in an approprate amount of time.

Did he bamboozle the kids that just signed? No more then the kids that signed four or five years ago that thought he would be there until they left. Don't all coaches say they want to see you graduate? Do all of them stay? Sometimes they leave because of job opportunities, sometimes because the administration or alumni want them gone. Does anyone ask, "what about the kids", when they want the coach fired? This is apart of recruiting that the players need to learn about before signing. The guys that sign you might not be the ones that coach you.

That why its important that we teach these kids, you're looking for an education that will stay with you for life, not a coach. A good coach makes that decision easier, but football is a means to a end, not the end.
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I agree :tup:
 
Originally posted by bornthrilla
I think it is smalltime to dog your school out once you leave it. If Doug bit his toungue about this stuff in the past he should have stayed quiet. All he is doing is making those recruits think they have been bamboozeled.
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Our facilities are on par with just about everyone else in D1AA. I admit that there might be some things that need to be corrected and that Doug had to deal with some uncooperativeness...

But let's be real here. The man is merely giving his side of the story to make sure public opinion is still on his side. IMO, that's not the way to go on this thing. It's not necessary cuz no one was blaming him for leaving. Everyone understood that this was an opportunity for the brother to move on to a better paying job.

However, I will not take the Doug Williams approach. I'll simply say Good Luck Doug...(hopefully, he'll do the same).
 
Originally posted by MikeBigg
Our facilities are on par with just about everyone else in D1AA. I admit that there might be some things that need to be corrected and that Doug had to deal with some uncooperativeness...

But let's be real here. The man is merely giving his side of the story to make sure public opinion is still on his side. IMO, that's not the way to go on this thing. It's not necessary cuz no one was blaming him for leaving. Everyone understood that this was an opportunity for the brother to move on to a better paying job.

However, I will not take the Doug Williams approach. I'll simply say Good Luck Doug...(hopefully, he'll do the same).
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I agree MikeB, but why Doug go out like this? Will you all start having hard feelings towards him if by chance he wants to come back?
 
Not hard feelings cuz he's my "brother". I was at GSU during the time he was there and I think highly of Doug. But that doesn't mean that I agree with his all of his comments (past or present).

It's unfair, but I expect folk to be like the Gentlemanly Eddie Robinson who rather than criticized shortcomings worked hard to correct the deficiencies. Yes, I understand that "times have changed" but I just keep remembering another old expression... "Quality (Class) never goes out of style".
 



Bottom Line

It takes resources to operate a successful program, regardless of its size. Since our presidents are reluctant to increase the operating budget, why would they expect a coach to remain ?loyal? to the program or the school?

If he intentionnaly "slighted" Grambling, he was out of order [period].
 
Originally posted by Blacknbengal
Tell that to your comrad who says that the kids are coming to play for Grambling. And who says that the kids are still happy just to be playing for Grambling and they havent left............yet.
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And while you are at it, make sure you give me the name of the kid who is going to do it too. Don't just give me the "I know a kid" garbage. Its just too easy to make up. At least I gave a name of a kid who is staying.
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G
And while you are at it, make sure you give me the name of the kid who is going to do it too. Don't just give me the "I know a kid" garbage. Its just too easy to make up. At least I gave a name of a kid who is staying.
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Originally posted by Maroon & Grey
I know of one already who wants out because Doug ain't coming.
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It's probably that QB from Texas. Tell'em that Bell will be in Jackson, Ms for another year. He can come and inspect our facilities.
 
I went back and read that article again. No where in there did Doug bash Grambling.
And let's not pretend that this is the first time that Doug has made his desires known to the press about the facilities at Gram. It's not. The thing is, that the brotha left and it's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. So all this "why Doug go out like that" is simply out of place.
 
why would put a kid name on this page .i know this kid personally and that is all you need to know masser'.i know others too. i love gram as teh next man but pure blindness to the fact is insanity.kids wanted to play for doug personally.that's why spears is still there he is an extension of doug ans the system is already in place.im all for supporting your school but dayum let's keep it real please
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
So all this "why Doug go out like that" is simply out of place.
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Why you trying to single me out like that MH? I told you yesterday that I was your friend. Are you still bitter from us asking you to stop smacking on the Sports Board? Man, bitterness runs deep.

But, back to the topic. Soggy, you need to ask STC, your alumni.
 
Originally posted by STC_60
why would put a kid name on this page .i know this kid personally and that is all you need to know masser'.
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Did you have a problem with his name being on the page when the signees where published? Has the kid even signed yet? If not, then the point is moot.
 
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