Frustration Forced Williams From Grambling


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Originally posted by mighty hornet
A newspaper article can be written to any slant the writer wants it to. That's why I'm always interested in direct quotes. PLEASE go back and read that article and see the quotes attributed to Doug. No where did he bash Gram. Do we not agree that Gram's facilities (just like everybody elses) can stand some improvement? Is it such a crime that Doug would have wanted a full staff or to have more $$ for the football program?
I guess the problem some folks have is that Doug mentioned those things. How dare he give his opinion about why he would leave Gram? Maybe he should have just lied and said everything was 100% wonderful at good ole Gram.
c'mon people, get real and stop being so small-minded and sensitive.
Heck, if anything, what Doug said can be used as a catalyst to rectify those things at Gram (the facilities, the coaches, the $$ for the football program)

PNeck,
I agree about there being a whole lot of difference between the rantings, ravings and bashings of a poster on this forum and Doug bashing Gram (although IMO, he didn't bash Gram)

However, I TOTALLY disagree that Doug should have quietly gone away and just wrote a letter to Gram administrators. With that route, do you actually think the administrators would have acted on any of those concerns, seeing how they apparently failed to address them anyway, which caused him to leave?

Trust me, administrators aint so quick to sweep "public" dirt under the rug. They'll have to respond to it, if nothing else. However, that "private" dirt, will get swept under the rug with a quickness.
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Originally posted by bluedog
I'm talking about within the GSU alumni base those two weren't running anything and had no clout to sway those from the inside to prevent this from happening because the truth be told most wanted it and doug has nobody to blame but himself for the departure.
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Blue,

This is the first time that I have heard of the term "within the alumni base" used. I didn't know a person who graduates from any school could be outside the alumni base. I mean I honestly don't know what more you'd want. You have a state elected official that represents the district that GSU is in who is a Gramblinite and an official who is a board member of the system that GSU is apart of who is also a Gramblinite. I have agreed with you that the Alumni is divided on the issue, but these two alumni members (who were in favor of Doug staying) did what they could using the influence they felt they had.

This reminds me of the time when the Big 8 conference was looking for 4 more members from the old Southwest Conference (SWC). It was given that Texas, OU, and Texas Tech were already in. But Big 8 official couldn't determing who the 4th new member would be. The only teams left were TCU, SMU, Rice, and Baylor. Ann Richards who was the Governor of Texas at the time (and a Baylor alum) used her influence to make sure that Baylor was the 4th team. She made it happen.

I don't see how this is any different.

He didn't get what he wanted because they "didn't" want to give it to him.
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 If "they" refers to the GSU AD and President then you get no arguement, because that is obvious. But this had nothing to do with the alumni. It was an issue between Doug and the GSU admin.
 
You sure took up a lot of space to basically say what I've already stated my friend. But anyway............



Originally posted by SAME OLD G
Blue,

This is the first time that I have heard of the term "within the alumni base" used.

Live long enough and be wise enough not to think you know everything and there will be quite a few more first.


I didn't know a person who graduates from any school could be outside the alumni base. I mean I honestly don't know what more you'd want.

I don't know where you got the impression I wanted anything

You have a state elected official that represents the district that GSU is in who is a Gramblinite and an official who is a board member of the system that GSU is apart of who is also a Gramblinite. I have agreed with you that the Alumni is divided on the issue, but these two alumni members (who were in favor of Doug staying) did what they could using the influence they felt they had.


Originally posted by bluedog
I'm talking about within the GSU alumni base those two weren't running anything and had no clout .
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This reminds me of the time when the Big 8 conference was looking for 4 more members from the old Southwest Conference (SWC). It was given that Texas, OU, and Texas Tech were already in. But Big 8 official couldn't determing who the 4th new member would be. The only teams left were TCU, SMU, Rice, and Baylor. Ann Richards who was the Governor of Texas at the time (and a Baylor alum) used her influence to make sure that Baylor was the 4th team. She made it happen.

I don't see how this is any different.

Ok lets see...... Ann Richards ........Gallot and Rhodes.............Gov. of Texas................State representatives.....................Once thought to be on the Presidential ticket......................just can get tickets.

If "they" refers to the GSU AD and President then you get no arguement, because that is obvious. But this had nothing to do with the alumni. It was an issue between Doug and the GSU admin.
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Want to bet Ann Richards would have gotten more than a hour with Tampa?
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
A newspaper article can be written to any slant the writer wants it to. That's why I'm always interested in direct quotes. PLEASE go back and read that article and see the quotes attributed to Doug. No where did he bash Gram. Do we not agree that Gram's facilities (just like everybody elses) can stand some improvement? Is it such a crime that Doug would have wanted a full staff or to have more $$ for the football program?
I guess the problem some folks have is that Doug mentioned those things. How dare he give his opinion about why he would leave Gram? Maybe he should have just lied and said everything was 100% wonderful at good ole Gram.
c'mon people, get real and stop being so small-minded and sensitive.
Heck, if anything, what Doug said can be used as a catalyst to rectify those things at Gram (the facilities, the coaches, the $$ for the football program)

PNeck,
I agree about there being a whole lot of difference between the rantings, ravings and bashings of a poster on this forum and Doug bashing Gram (although IMO, he didn't bash Gram)

However, I TOTALLY disagree that Doug should have quietly gone away and just wrote a letter to Gram administrators. With that route, do you actually think the administrators would have acted on any of those concerns, seeing how they apparently failed to address them anyway, which caused him to leave?

Trust me, administrators aint so quick to sweep "public" dirt under the rug. They'll have to respond to it, if nothing else. However, that "private" dirt, will get swept under the rug with a quickness.
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I totally endorse the aforementioned perspective. (co-sign)
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
A newspaper article can be written to any slant the writer wants it to. That's why I'm always interested in direct quotes. PLEASE go back and read that article and see the quotes attributed to Doug. No where did he bash Gram. Do we not agree that Gram's facilities (just like everybody elses) can stand some improvement? Is it such a crime that Doug would have wanted a full staff or to have more $$ for the football program?
I guess the problem some folks have is that Doug mentioned those things. How dare he give his opinion about why he would leave Gram? Maybe he should have just lied and said everything was 100% wonderful at good ole Gram.
c'mon people, get real and stop being so small-minded and sensitive.
Heck, if anything, what Doug said can be used as a catalyst to rectify those things at Gram (the facilities, the coaches, the $$ for the football program)

PNeck,
I agree about there being a whole lot of difference between the rantings, ravings and bashings of a poster on this forum and Doug bashing Gram (although IMO, he didn't bash Gram)

However, I TOTALLY disagree that Doug should have quietly gone away and just wrote a letter to Gram administrators. With that route, do you actually think the administrators would have acted on any of those concerns, seeing how they apparently failed to address them anyway, which caused him to leave?

Trust me, administrators aint so quick to sweep "public" dirt under the rug. They'll have to respond to it, if nothing else. However, that "private" dirt, will get swept under the rug with a quickness.
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I am cosigning.
 
I disagree. This should not have hit the papers especially not this soon. Doug should have told the lady about the problems in the first place rather than after the fact. Also, if Doug left because of the problems, he should have gone to the adminstration and told them why. He should have been in contact with Spears to see if any of the requests were taken up and if not, then he should have gone to the media.
 
Originally posted by Tigerpride
I disagree. This should not have hit the papers especially not this soon. Doug should have told the lady about the problems in the first place rather than after the fact. Also, if Doug left because of the problems, he should have gone to the adminstration and told them why. He should have been in contact with Spears to see if any of the requests were taken up and if not, then he should have gone to the media.
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And how do you know that it wasn't done in that manner??? And I doubt very seriously if Gram didn't know why Doug left. They knew. A very reliable Gram alum gave me the scoop on Doug's departure well before this article was printed. And if he knew, Gram knew.
 
Originally posted by STC_60
I dont understand why he was asking for this during the sac going ons.let warner do her job and then you come in in a respectful manner and state your problems.he wanted to go over her head .that's why they probably had to drag her and dennis on that plane to tb.this is the swac and not the sec .there are no 60 k stadiums of our own . we have been successful w'o alot of thing sas a conference asnd yet we still send quality players and individuals to the league an out into the world.i don't mind soemthings happening ,but this outlandish stuff need to stop .they need to get a new scoreboard if anything at all.let the practice be the practice field.they need to be tryign to put some fieldturf on that playing field.many issues need to be addressed first.
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Let me see, just because we are not SEC we should treat ourselves as second class when it comes to our facilities and operations? I have no problem with Doug asking for these things and putting it in the paper. Maybe the new administration will address some of these concerns as well many others that we face in Grambling.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
A newspaper article can be written to any slant the writer wants it to. That's why I'm always interested in direct quotes. PLEASE go back and read that article and see the quotes attributed to Doug. No where did he bash Gram. Do we not agree that Gram's facilities (just like everybody elses) can stand some improvement? Is it such a crime that Doug would have wanted a full staff or to have more $$ for the football program?
I guess the problem some folks have is that Doug mentioned those things. How dare he give his opinion about why he would leave Gram? Maybe he should have just lied and said everything was 100% wonderful at good ole Gram.
c'mon people, get real and stop being so small-minded and sensitive.
Heck, if anything, what Doug said can be used as a catalyst to rectify those things at Gram (the facilities, the coaches, the $$ for the football program)

PNeck,
I agree about there being a whole lot of difference between the rantings, ravings and bashings of a poster on this forum and Doug bashing Gram (although IMO, he didn't bash Gram)

However, I TOTALLY disagree that Doug should have quietly gone away and just wrote a letter to Gram administrators. With that route, do you actually think the administrators would have acted on any of those concerns, seeing how they apparently failed to address them anyway, which caused him to leave?

Trust me, administrators aint so quick to sweep "public" dirt under the rug. They'll have to respond to it, if nothing else. However, that "private" dirt, will get swept under the rug with a quickness.
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I agree. :tup:
 
Originally posted by Tigerpride
Well why didn't Doug go to Clausen???
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Because it wasn't he place to go tell Clausen. Doug doesn't report to Clausen, the GSU president does.
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G
Because it wasn't he place to go tell Clausen. Doug doesn't report to Clausen, the GSU president does.
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But she asked...unless she is lying. I can see if he just ran to her.
 



Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker)
Get Ready,



True!



Maybe in some weird way he really thought it would help bring about change or greater scrutiny to the problem.

Actually in an eerily strange way I think it is similar to your comments and reviews on the SWACPAGE about the SWAC Office and its leadership, especially Mr. Vowels. Honestly, I could turn around and ask you the very same questions

Why do you call our SWAC leadership out of their names and mention things that you believe to be wrong about the SWAC office in a public forum?

What do you hope to accomplish when you lodge your complaints and call people out of their names on the SWACPAGE site?

Think About It!!

Just Curious!!



Seriously, that is really a good question. I would like to know that, myself.
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Jafus....first of all you give me too much credit


Secondly, let me put it this way....I, personally, have this thing about loyalty.

Not to be corny, but lets say Im an orphan. And then you came along and gave me a pretty nice place to stay for about 4 years. Then you sent me off to college where I prospered and got a nice education. I was the top dog in college for while. And then when I got out of college, and I was own my own again, you gave me a place to stay again for about 6 months to help me get on my feet. Then I land this big job. As soon as I move out of the house, the first thing I do is tell everybody how crappy your house was. The toilet always ran, the walls needed painting, and I dont know how you live in that neighborhood.

Thats what Doug did. I understand the notion of putting it in the public and maybe it wont get swept under the rug, but believe me, Grams Admin already knew what Doug gripes were. This was not right. If he really wants to make a change, then DO IT and stop talking about it.

Gram should get even with his ass. They responded by saying, "well we wanted to give Doug all he wanted but, he aint no Pete Richardson, so whats the use? He couldnt win the BC and he aint half the coach Pete is, so we decided that those funds would have been much better spent elsewhere. If he couldnt win with 6 coaches, what makes us think 7 would help?"

Surely you would back Gram if they had said that. I mean, they would have only been telling the truth. Doug couldnt beat Pete. You guys seem to think that since he is telling the truth, its OK.
 
And furthermore....

I have no loyalty to Vowels. If he is wrong he is wrong. You yourself said that you dont like the 9 game format, so why are you holding him up in a light? Let it go.

The guy sucks, he is an idiot, and the SWAC office is totally incompetent. I assure you they always run out of copy paper, forget to pay the electric bill, and lock themselves out of the office once a week. These people cant even organize Media Day. You were there, you saw it.

The SWAC is well on its way to being D2. Half of our schools already are.
 
Originally posted by Get Ready
And furthermore....I
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:bawling: :bawling: :lmao: I'm sorry but I couldn't help myself.

Let it go dawg, let it go....:lmao:

Get Ready you can raise all the kind of "L" you want to but Vowels didn't get us into this kind of mess
 
When a school like AAMU can have two lighted practice fields side by side and two more available, you can believe other coaches feel like they are being shortchanged. Remember when some headcoaches learned that Cooper was making more dollars than them they asked for a pay raise. I could cite more examples but like Jafus said you really don't want the SWAC Office to identify the issues that reside at your school. We talk a lot of B.S. on the board but at the end of the day there is some truth in it.

I can recall someone from SU stating that they had people hired full time to take care of the fields. I immediately went to check to see what we are doing. We have two fulltimers and contractors working the fields to include some coaches.
 
Originally posted by Get Ready
And furthermore....

I have no loyalty to Vowels. If he is wrong he is wrong. You yourself said that you dont like the 9 game format, so why are you holding him up in a light? Let it go.

The guy sucks, he is an idiot, and the SWAC office is totally incompetent. I assure you they always run out of copy paper, forget to pay the electric bill, and lock themselves out of the office once a week. These people cant even organize Media Day. You were there, you saw it.

The SWAC is well on its way to being D2. Half of our schools already are.
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Are you trying to get your AD to replace the current Commissioner?

Media Day was for the Dawgpound. They got excited when we brought all those fans into the event. They accused us of taking all the media materials. I suggested they print more next year, because we are bringing two bus loads on the frist Friday in August 04.
 
Originally posted by JSU/99
I'm not going to start calling out GSU's AD just because Williams didn't get all of the things he wanted.
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I can honestly say the man is an idiot!!! And it isn't because he didn't give Doug what he wanted
 
Originally posted by Get Ready
And furthermore....

I have no loyalty to Vowels. If he is wrong he is wrong. You yourself said that you dont like the 9 game format, so why are you holding him up in a light? Let it go.
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would you let go of this 9 game format issue. The COACHES, ADs and PRESIDENTS VOTED on this............I'm tired of explaining this.
but back to Doug, he should have to explain why he left Grambling, it was a better position and better job. End of story
 
cat daddy you are crazy if you think that way.teh sec generates ten ttimes the money gram and teh swac generates.it would be cool if gram generateed the money the sec did .but they don't.do you know what doug was actually asking for.a seperate weight room for the no football players . teh football players must leif weigths 24/7 right.i can't tell if tehy do. the folks who don't play lift teh most and hardest if you did not know already.that crazy to even think that.i heard ona radio show stating how he wanted a field turf practice field to practice on when it rains.how about turnignthe the game field into a fieldturf . get teh drainage straight and gert it going.this dude soime lsu siht.i understand tryign to get some things.let's be real . we are arguing right now over the state fair clasic payout.beating su wouldhave hepled his cause too. ANYONE HWO THINKS OTHERWISE IS CRAZY AS HELL !!THER AER FANS AND ALUMNI WHO WON'T EVEN GO HOME GAMES UNTIL WE BEAT SU WITH MORE CONSISTENTSY.IT IS TEH BOTTOM LINE PEOPLE.THATIS WHY SOME ERAS AT GRAM GOT AWAY WITH ALOT MORE THAN OTHERS.DO YOU THINK THAT INCIDENT IN 96 OR 97 WOULD HAVE HAPPEN DURING TEH 70'S OR 80'S WHEN THEY GETTING COACHES FIRED AT SU .
 
I can't believe some of the stuff i'm hearing on this board. Doug may have been right to be frustrated, but that's not the point. The point is, he could've and should've made his exit with more class. That would've reflected better on himself and the school.


Originally posted by JSU'99
would you let go of this 9 game format issue. The COACHES, ADs and PRESIDENTS VOTED on this............I'm tired of explaining this.
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I wish everyone stop makign excuses for this dumb-arse format. It doesn't matter who voted for it, the format is still detrimental to the conference and its institutions. And Vowels bears some responsibility for this. The way I see it, he's either too dumb to disagree with the format or too weak to challenge it.
 
Originally posted by JSU/99
I can't believe some of the stuff i'm hearing on this board. Doug may have been right to be frustrated, but that's not the point. The point is, he could've and should've made his exit with more class. That would've reflected better on himself and the school.
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Incredible!!! Its funny how Doug doesn't have class now, but we all gave him the ole "Adda boy" when he blasted the NFL for its discrimination practices in his book "Quarterblack". And he said this after he left the NFL.

Instead of focusing on what is being said, some of you are only focused on who said it, but shallow thinking does that to a person. Whats even worse is that he said nothing wrong.
 
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