Dirk Nowitzki of the Dallas Mavericks


The Lakers play the same style of "D" that the Bulls used when Phil and that entire Laker Staff was there. The only difference is there is no Rodman at PF. Fisher, Fox and Horry all are great defenders. I think Kobe can defend well. So I am not downplaying his ability. But he does get muscled by the Bonzi Wells types. He has quick hands and he has height. But he can still be posted by the more muscular 2 guards and small forwards.

I actually think Fox is a better defender. But don't get me wrong as a team they are the best defensive team with Detroit being the second best. The funny thing about the Lakers is the weakest link on Defense is probably Shaq. I have always thought he didn't block enough shots to be so big. He used to block more shots in Orlando than he does now. But wouldn't you just love to have a team where Shaq is weakest defender. That's why even though I am not a Laker fan, I know no one can beat them unless they play a complete game every game against them. At least as long as Phil is there. Once he and that staff leaves. Then maybe somebody will have a chance. But I am rooting for Dallas to win the deal. Mr. Stern aint having that though. Boston or NJ vs Lakers for it all. Thus a Laker 3Peat.
 
This is so true

Originally posted by SAME OLD G


Ice,

Let me make sure I am understood. I am not comparing Jason Kidd's career to Steve Nash, because they don't compare. Jason Kidd has the edge overall. I was comparing the two based on this season alone...they are both All-Stars.

As you mentioned, I am a die-hard Laker fan. And if they face the Mavs, its the Lakers all the way for me. The only reason why I am so high on the Mavs is bacause I witnessed first hand those horrible years. I have been in Dallas for about 10 years now and I have seen some horrible players come and go. Since Mark Cuban took over, this team came out of nowhere. Dallas is where a lot of players want to come. I am just happy for them. And they are fun to watch.

Thats all. ;)



Most folks don't want to give these white boys their props over here in Dallas, but I for one have been following the MAVS a lot more closely this season than the seasons preceding. The boys are bad and you can't sleep on em. I think the Kings feel they'll sweep the MAVS and walk all over them, but y'all better recognize. Dallas ain't playin' and let's not forget about them black boys on the team too.
 



Dallas/Laker matchup.
Now LA has a 3-1 series lead this season over the Mavs. But lets look at a few things.

Game 1: I don't know because I didn't see it.

Game 2: Mid-December and the Mavs had a terrible shooting day, they missed about 30 3-pointers and only lost by 4. Now, had they hit 2 or three more?

Game 3: In LA, LA won on a buzzer beater. This game was shortly after the big trade.

Game 4: Two days after Game 3 in Dallas. Dallas beat em by 18 and sent their azz down to San Antonio for another Texas whipping.


The 3 games the lost were by a total of 7 points, and the game they won was by 18. Now that the players have had time to gel after the trade, the Lakers don't want to see em.
 
Dallas did answer some questions after the series with the ‘Wolves. Those White guys can play. But they have some more questions. I think that they can beat the Kings. But can they win the title? That question introduces some more questions. One is about their defense. See (from the Dallas Morning News) below.
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“I think we would have killed them, I really do,†He says with a laugh. “We would have swept them. That’s just my personal opinion, being a little biased to my guys and them team that I was on.

“Where we were very strong as a basketball team, they have question marks.â€

.....

This year’s Mavericks play outside-in, and more often than not, outside-outside. Their taller players, 7-foot Nowitzki, 6-11 Raef LaFrentz and even 7-6 Shawn Bradley attempt the majority of their shots from outside the paint.


“They’re weak in that area,†Harper says. “They don’t have a lot of people that can post up. Inside, we could dominate a basketball team.â€

-Quotes from Derek Harper on comparing this year’s Mavericks to his 1987-88 squad.
 
Yeah he is the best white by in the game, but some of are guys skills are not as good as they used to be.
 
Well, after grading a problem on the final (The rest is multiple choice and will be graded via scantron.), I will check out the Kings-Mavs series. (Some students were not happy with the problem. But they should have studied a problem that was similar, only with the numbers, changed to an example we covered in class. :rolleyes: ) Heck, I may go to Dallas (to see friends) and San Antonio (to see a cousin) to check out the playoffs at a sport's bar next weekend.

Anyway, I am picking the Mavericks to beat the Kings in this series.
 
F- That folks!!!

It's time for the Brothers to take it up another notch!!!
It's time to take these imports seriously, because we are starting to overrate them as well. The next thing you know they're taking jobs that rightfully belong to the Brothers.

This article is very appropiate for this discussion:

To NBA's European Stars, 'Big White Stiff' Doesn't Translate

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By Michael Wilbon
Sunday, May 5, 2002; Page D04


Nobody tells European players, as they obsess over basketball day and night in Spain and Yugoslavia, that they can't jump high enough, can't copy every nuance of Allen Iverson's sweet crossover dribble, can't throw it down like Kobe Bryant and then holler.

They don't regularly face parents and friends who say they won't ever feel comfortable in basketball's culture of hip-hop music, uniquely urban fashion and language. Rarely, if ever, are the Turkish and Russian kids confronted with the notion of being a "big white stiff," particularly the ones who are languid and lithe and diversely skilled. They aren't stigmatized, they aren't discouraged, they aren't bombarded with the notion of "You can't play that sport" and as a result, they can.

They keep coming to the NBA, a trickle having turned into a stream, young men from Europe, increasing numbers from Asia, even a couple now from Australia and New Zealand. The first wave felt an enormous sense of accomplishment just to make the league; the new generation wants championships and stardom.

So many athletically gifted white kids in America were talked out of playing basketball, more often by whites than blacks. If ever there was ample evidence that environment can trump genetics, this is it. The notion that "White Men Can't Jump" ought to be changed to "White American Kids Don't Jump Because They've Been Convinced They Shouldn't Try."

A smart piece in the current issue of Newsweek looks at the return of the white player to the NBA, 10 years after the retirement of Larry Bird. But for every American kid on the come, like Wally Szczerbiak and Mike Miller, there are five from Europe, players like Germany's Dirk Nowitzki and Yugoslavia's Peja Stojakovic, who are good enough to perhaps direct the course of these NBA playoffs.

The Newsweek piece doesn't draw the dramatic cultural distinction between white players from America and those from Europe. But in the basketball culture, it's critical to understand that a kid from Croatia has little in common with a white kid from suburban Texas. Why the difference?

The easy answer, but perhaps the most important one, is fear. The European players aren't made to feel they have no chance. It's no different, really, than black kids in American being told, usually by other blacks, that they shouldn't swim, shouldn't try to play hockey, shouldn't -- for that matter -- try to excel in science and technology. Kids try what they're led to believe they'll be comfortable doing. And many mainstream white kids have been made to feel alien in the best basketball laboratories, most of which are dominated by blacks.

Fifteen years ago when I was still playing pickup basketball, a white kid in upper Northwest was the best ballhandling guard in the neighborhood. He probably was one of the best in the city, and he was 13. Suddenly and inexplicably, he stopped showing up to play. I ran into his parents one evening at the grocery store and asked why he had stopped coming to the playground. And the father said, "He's just a skinny white kid. Why should he waste his time playing against all those talented black players?"

Does anybody doubt there are tens of thousands like him, presumed (falsely) to be inadequate? Chris Mullin, a white kid from Queens who developed into a Dream Teamer and ought to wind up in the Basketball Hall of Fame one day, has repeatedly told me over the years, "It's has nothing to do with race, everything to do with mind-set."

And the mind-set in Europe concerning pro basketball hasn't been polluted with so many stereotypes. Newsweek quotes Sacramento's Turkish forward, Hedo Turkoglu, as saying of his adopted culture, "I love Notorious B.I.G., rap music, and big, baggy clothes."

Turkoglu is one of 51 international players from 30 countries on NBA rosters this season. Of those, 26 are from Europe, seven are from Africa. Of the 16 teams that reached the playoffs, 15 have at least one international player. There are 18 in the Western Conference, and perhaps that's one reason -- besides the presence of Shaquille O'Neal and Bryant in Los Angeles -- that the rosters out west are so much more loaded.

The NBA's rookie of the year, Pau Gasol, is a Spaniard. Had he been black, my bet is that he would have been viewed more excitedly by more NBA executives, most of whom are white.

The renaissance of the Dallas Mavericks is directly linked to the scouting, drafting and development of Nowitzki, the 7-footer who can play every position on the floor except point guard. There is certainly nothing plodding or stiff about him. Kenny Smith, Turner's whip-smart NBA analyst, said the other night: "When you hear the marketing term 'crossover' you think music. Traditionally, it meant the ability of black artists to sell to white music buyers. Well, Nowitzki has crossed over now because you've got black kids everywhere wanting to wear a Nowitzki jersey."

Plenty of folks intimately involved in basketball could see this coming, particularly the old Atlanta Hawks tandem of general manager Stan Kasten and coach Mike Fratello. "There was a steady stream of high school, college and pro coaches going to Europe and coaching teams and running clinics," Fratello, now a Turner analyst, said last week of the cultural exchanges that come with increased international competition. "They left a wealth of knowledge there that people are still absorbing. There's a basketball library in Greece now. Basketball in Greece became so advanced, and Turkey is so competitive with Greece, that now Turkey is in the finals of the European championships."

Fratello and Kasten were just a little too far ahead of their time. As far back as 1985, they drafted Russian center Arvydas Sabonis in the fourth round. In 1986, they took three Europeans, Italian Augusto Binelli in the third round, Russian Alexander Volkov in the sixth round and Russian Valery Tikhonenko in the seventh round. In 1987, the Hawks selected players from China, Greece, Spain, Italy and Yugoslavia in one draft. Coincidentally, they also took Gasol in 2001 but traded him to the Grizzles for Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

"Once upon a time, the thing the European players couldn't match was our speed, quickness and toughness," Fratello said. "But that's no longer the case, as they continue to evolve. We knew it was coming. We could see it coming."

The Kasten-Fratello dream is now the Mavericks' reality. (Don Nelson's son, Donn, was the first to climb mountains of his own when it came to courting European players.) The Mavs have not only a German star, but the NBA's first Mexican player, first Chinese player and a Canadian point guard. In the Western Conference semifinals, they'll face a Sacramento team with a Yugoslav center, Yugoslav all-star shooting guard, and Turkish sixth man.

Probably all of them were introduced through NBA overseas telecasts too, and immediately fascinated by, a sport dominated and redefined by black Americans, and not just the game on the floor but all the sights, sounds and rhythms surrounding it. Their complete comfort and growing success in an American professional league may actually be convincing the dominant American culture to move beyond its fears and misconceptions, and take a closer and more open-minded look.
 
Originally posted by ksmith
F- That folks!!!

It's time for the Brothers to take it up another notch!!!
It's time to take these imports seriously, because we are starting to overrate them as well. The next thing you know they're taking jobs that rightfully belong to the Brothers.

You see, its this type of thinking that set us (black folks) back. I don't have time to get into this now...cause I got to visit my sister in-law in the hospital.

There is no such thing as a position in the NBA that "rightfully" belongs to us. :smh:
 
Bull!!!!

The NBA had a quota for white boys on the bench. Almost every NBA team had one or two white boys at the end of the bench.

Those positions would go to Blacks, but because of the need to have somebody on the team that resembles the "paying public".
White Folks.

My kind of thinking will not set us back. Your type of thinking will. This all fair and equal crap that young Black think exist today is naive.

When I was growning up we knew that when you were Black you had to be............BETTER THAN!!!! That's the way we were raise....you have to be......BETTER THAN!!!

Today some are confused and think the playing field is level. That's not true. If we don't step up our games on the court then people will take to evenly talented players and appoint or annoint one an NBA Baller based on one thing..........RACE!! The White Boy will get the job over us everytime.

Rightfully ours???? What do I mean by that. Well, IMHO if you have two players just about even in talent, I'm taking the guy who has played under pressure.....played as Michael Wilbon saidn in his article; "in the best basketball laboratories in the world" and I would feel more comfortable with that.

They do it to us in the nfl everyday. They say; "Oh he didn't play in a big time program". Well,.....American basketball is "bIGtIME", we should always get the benefit of doubt over Europeans, and Chinese players. That's what I mean about "rightfully ours". We are overall better ball players and deserved to not get bumped because of the excitement and politics of getting more Whites in the game.
 
Originally posted by ksmith
Bull!!!!

The NBA had a quota for white boys on the bench. Almost every NBA team had one or two white boys at the end of the bench.

Those positions would go to Blacks, but because of the need to have somebody on the team that resembles the "paying public".
White Folks. <b>White folks who buy tickets will be the first to tell you that they do not spend money to see white boys at the end of the bench</b>

My kind of thinking will not set us back. Your type of thinking will. This all fair and equal crap that young Black think exist today is naive. <b>that was not the basis for my comment</b>

When I was growning up we knew that when you were Black you had to be............BETTER THAN!!!! That's the way we were raise....you have to be......BETTER THAN!!!

Today some are confused and think the playing field is level. That's not true. If we don't step up our games on the court then people will take to evenly talented players and appoint or annoint one an NBA Baller based on one thing..........RACE!! The White Boy will get the job over us everytime. <b>Well if it is all about white and black, why are scouts flocking to see 7 foot 5inch Chinese centers.</b>

Rightfully ours???? What do I mean by that. Well, IMHO if you have two players just about even in talent, I'm taking the guy who has played under pressure.....played as Michael Wilbon saidn in his article; "in the best basketball laboratories in the world" and I would feel more comfortable with that.

They do it to us in the nfl everyday. They say; "Oh he didn't play in a big time program". <b>What does this have to do with color. They take black kids from major schools all the time. So whats the point?

</b> Well,.....American basketball is "bIGtIME", we should always get the benefit of doubt over Europeans, and Chinese players. That's what I mean about "rightfully ours". <b>No we shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt. This would be a form of stereotyping.</b>

We are overall better ball players and deserved to not get bumped because of the excitement and politics of getting more Whites in the game. <b>As has been proven, there are always exceptions.</b>
 
Originally posted by SAME OLD G


You see, its this type of thinking that set us (black folks) back. I don't have time to get into this now...cause I got to visit my sister in-law in the hospital.

There is no such thing as a position in the NBA that "rightfully" belongs to us. :smh:

I think there are things that "rightfully" belong to us because our guys are the better atheletes. The problem is that they don't work hard enough to get the most out of thier talents. Now if the brother just natually isn't as good, then nothing "rightfully" belongs to him. But for the ones not reaching potential it's a different story.
 
"They do it to us in the nfl everyday. They say; "Oh he didn't play in a big time program". What does this have to do with color. They take black kids from major schools all the time. So whats the point? "
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I was speaking from an HBCU perpective. Many players from IAA or HBCU's aren't drafted because despite the physical numbers, the 40 times, bench presses and verticle leaps they always deny us based on coming from HBCU's.


"Those positions would go to Blacks, but because of the need to have somebody on the team that resembles the "paying public".
White Folks. White folks who buy tickets will be the first to tell you that they do not spend money to see white boys at the end of the bench "
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I dunno about that? The GM's certainly listen, heck HBO's Bryant Gumble did a program about that over 1 year ago. White GM are very conscience of having White players on the roster. Even if they sit on the end of the bench. Doesn't make much sense, but if you check around the league you'll see it.
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."Well if it is all about white and black, why are scouts flocking to see 7 foot 5inch Chinese centers. "
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Because he ain't Black!!!!.........."L", we have a Mexican being recruited now.
 
That Mexican did his 4 years at Oklahoma and worked 3 years in the NBA to get a starting position. Now, if half the black kids that enter the draft early would do that, then the Overseas "White" players wouldn't be an issue.

They are no where near as talented, but they are far more advanced as far a fundamentals. We tend to have a killer cross-over, but shoot 50% from the free throw line.

It all goes out the door the deeper you get into the play-offs, because then it boils down to talent and desire.
 
Originally posted by Da_Sperm
That Mexican did his 4 years at Oklahoma and worked 3 years in the NBA to get a starting position. Now, if half the black kids that enter the draft early would do that, then the Overseas "White" players wouldn't be an issue.

They are no where near as talented, but they are far more advanced as far a fundamentals. We tend to have a killer cross-over, but shoot 50% from the free throw line.

It all goes out the door the deeper you get into the play-offs, because then it boils down to talent and desire.

Gott Dayum!!!!!! Preach brotha, preach!!!! This is the why I say there is no such thing as a position that is "rightfully" ours in the NBA. The talent pool has diluted! Anytime a NBA scout has to look beyond college athletes to draft players straight out of high school tells you something. Something about that aint right.

Magic Johnson even said it himself. Players of todays game don't play for the love of the game, they play for the love of the paycheck. They simply don't make the commitment to try to get better once they get into the league.
 
Maybe I am missing something. But here I go.

Too many of the brothers are not getting the fundamentals before they reach the NBA. It is showing. Yes, football is my favorite sport. But basketball and track and field are probably rated at number two. Anyway, watching some games, especially during the regular season, has become like watching paint dry or grass grow for me. Why? The players do not have the fundamentals like they use to have. Most do not work to expand their game like they should.

Now, I will not talk about Michael Jordan, Larry Bird or Magic Johnson. Everyone else does. So let me talk about Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Tim Duncan and David Robinson.

I remember when Olajuwon, a Nigerian native, played in the national semi-final against UNC and Worthy, Perkins and Jordan. He could dunk and block shots. At the height of his play in the pros he could steal the ball from guards, make free free throws, and make 20 foot jumpers. Remember. He had to go through Shaq, Robinson, and Ewing to his championships. Drexler did not have a jump shot. At the end of his career he could make three pointers.

Many including yours truly have criticized David Robinson at one time or another for a lack of aggressiveness. But he can play defense and is hard to guard.

Tim Duncan may not be the flashiest player. But he is one of the best players in the league. Duncan, who is from the Virgin Islands, is a very fundamentally skilled and talented player.

Remember Kevin McHale? Not only did he have great post moves. But he also had a deadly three pointer and could defend Dominique Wilkins. I hate to say that about Wilkins.

Like Ken Griffey, Jr. in baseball, Allen Iverson is a talented player in basketball. But like Griffey Iverson does not do the necessary off-season conditioning work. Trust me. It will really catch up with him when he gets 30, moreso than it is now.

Do I think that most of the European stars are more talented than the American players? No. But right now the European players are having more respect for the fundamentals. It is showing on the court.

Give Najera credit. He did what it took to make it in the NBA.

This is a part of my $0.02. Then again maybe I missed something.
 



Originally posted by Da_Sperm
Dallas/Laker matchup.
Now LA has a 3-1 series lead this season over the Mavs. But lets look at a few things.

Game 1: I don't know because I didn't see it.

Game 2: Mid-December and the Mavs had a terrible shooting day, they missed about 30 3-pointers and only lost by 4. Now, had they hit 2 or three more?

Game 3: In LA, LA won on a buzzer beater. This game was shortly after the big trade.

Game 4: Two days after Game 3 in Dallas. Dallas beat em by 18 and sent their azz down to San Antonio for another Texas whipping.


The 3 games the lost were by a total of 7 points, and the game they won was by 18. Now that the players have had time to gel after the trade, the Lakers don't want to see em.

The Lakers would rather see the Mavericks. We are in their heads. Nowitski said himself that they can beat any team in the league except the Lakers. What does that tell you?
 
Every team in the west is saying that. Webber said they can't beat the Lakers without home court advantage.

The Lakers are still the team to beat, BUT they are very beatable. Any of the other 3 teams in the West can beat them in a 7 game series. The Lakers of today are not the same Lakers of last year. They have all their weapons and still having a hard time with San Antonio. Just think if David Robinson were there.

I still say that Dallas has a good chance of getting them if they can make it to the WCF. It is going to be hard to OUT SHOOT the Mavericks for 4 games.

My analogy is this. The Mavs are a good shooting team, and the nights that they are off, the are a good NBA team that is still hard to beat (look at game one vs Sacramento). The was one point in the 4th quarter when the Mavs missed 14 straight shots, that will not happen again until next year. They were still in the game, within 6 or 7 points.

The nights they are ON, they are unbeatable. No other team in the league has that many weapons as far as shooters (closest being the Celtics).

I would be the Lakers would rather see the Kings.
 
"The Lakers are still the team to beat, BUT they are very beatable. " Yeah.....one or two games maybe.


"Any of the other 3 teams in the West can beat them in a 7 game series." Puleezz.....nobody can beat the Lakers in a series. Remember, we're looking at a team that is making history as we speak. They are 20-1 in the playoffs over the last two years. The only loss was in overtime....game one to Philly after the Lakers had a eight(8) day layoff.

Look for LA to kill San Antonio tonight and edge them out in game three. That's when Tim Duncan will hold his head down and get soft again.

You see....Duncan will be announced as MVP soon and that's going to really fire up Shaq. He will go out of his way to destroy Duncan. I'm so glad Jason Kidd didn't get the award. Shaq's needs the motivation.

I would love to see the Lakers make history and not lose a game in the playoffs, but it's going to be tough. The motivation is hard for this group. They know they're going to win it all.
 
The Lakers are beatable, in not just a couple games but in a series. I don't know why people acting like the Lakers are this unstoppable force. The Lakers can be beat. It's gonna be hard for anyone to beat them this season because so far Shaq and Kobe are getting 90% of the calls. I used to like them til I noticed how much the refs keeping babying the Lakers.
 
Sonic98,
Have you been paying attention to the games? Sunday, Kobe and Shaq were in foul trouble early. Shaq missed almost a whole quarter getting his finger fixed and Kobe had to be practically carried off the court because of his knee. If San Antonio and the "MVP" can't capitalize on that, then no one will. You can never underestimate the other players on this team. Horry is one of the best playoff clutch performers in the game right now. Rick Fox was the team leader before Shaq got there and led lowly Boston to their most recent playoff appearances before this season. Fisher is almost money from behind the arc. Walker is coming into his own on the boards.

No one is beating this team in a playoff series.
 
They were in foul trouble this game because the refs finally started making the right calls.
 
Originally posted by JR
Only Drazen Petrovic was as good as these guys. Too bad he got killed.

Drazen was raw a hell for the Nets in the early 90's along with Kenny Anderson and Derrick Coleman. He was part of the Silver (or Bronze) medal team for the Croatians in '92. His tragic death at the Autobaun in Germany really did the Nets in. And his #3 was retired.

*What could have been .....* :bawling:
 
I give the Lakers credit for winning on Saturday. But remember that David Robinson did not play. Frankly, I would be surprised if he played much at all in the series.
 
David Robinson could "possibly" have an average to above game against another team, but I don't see him or anyone that isn't a Laker having any major impact on the Lakers performance this year. San Antonio had the golden opportunity with both Shaq and Kobe having injuries and they still couldn't capitalize.
 
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