Did Baton Rouge Cops Kill an Unarmed Man?


s phi s said:
In fairness, you can't see the other hand. If the other hand was underneath him, it's not difficult to produce a weapon with it... But that is only dealing with possibilities and what ifs.

With that said, based on what I have read and seen so far, my biggest question is the tactics employed from the beginning. Still reserving my final analysis until more FACTS come out. But just from the one video circulating, it looks bad.
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Maybe not, but if you look closely at the video you can see that Alton Sterling's other shoulder was on the pavement. As you said, we're dealing with "ifs", so if his hand was underneath him, his shoulder would have been raised slightly up. From what I saw in the video, his other shoulder was not raised at all.
 



96lioness said:
Maybe not, but if you look closely at the video you can see that Alton Sterling's other shoulder was on the pavement. As you said, we're dealing with "ifs", so if his hand was underneath him, his shoulder would have been raised slightly up. From what I saw in the video, his other shoulder was not raised at all.
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Not true. Have you ever been in a struggle with a person on the ground and seen what they are capable of? I have watched the video numerous times, and can not say one way or the other exactly what the other arm was doing. All I'm saying is that it's possible based on my experience in similar situations.
 
s phi s said:
I said what I meant. Can you point to a factual source that says he was shot in the head? Every source I have seen says chest and back.
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No, officer, I can't point to any factual source that says he was shot in the head, so I'm wrong. I'm sure your sources, from whoever they're from, are indeed more factual. Perhaps I should have just said Alton Sterling was shot and killed in his chest and back while in a position of submission by the Baton Rouge police.
 
s phi s said:
I said what I meant. Can you point to a factual source that says he was shot in the head? Every source I have seen says chest and back.
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If I may ask you a question: from your previous posts regarding the killing black men at the hand of white officers, you've stated that you've either had similar situations or have had similar experiences. As a law enforcement officer, why would it be necessary to point your weapon at the head of a subdued suspect that's in a position of submission while you have backup from another police officer?

Why was it necessary to point the gun at his head if he was, based on your sources, shot in his chest and also in his back?
 
96lioness said:
No, officer, I can't point to any factual source that says he was shot in the head, so I'm wrong. I'm sure your sources, from whoever they're from, are indeed more factual. Perhaps I should have just said Alton Sterling was shot and killed while in a position of submission by the Baton Rouge police.
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If my reply came across as argumentative, I apologize. Truly wasn't trying to be. I don't have any inside information. In fact, the only article I have read is the one I posted, along with the video that everyone else has seen.
 
s phi s said:
If my reply came across as argumentative, I apologize. Truly wasn't trying to be. I don't have any inside information. In fact, the only article I have read is the one I posted, along with the video that everyone else has seen.
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No apologies needed; nor was it my intent to be argumentative. I, like so many others, are just so very tired and angry at the blatant disregard of human life the police appear to have toward that of our Black men. The video that I saw, the one posted by sujagtillidie, shows a BR office take out his weapon and point it at the head of Sterling Alton, who was on the ground, facedown, in a position of submission. The next few seconds he was dead. I didn't see in that video the other officer take his weapon out, which is why I mistakenly thought Mr. Sterling was shot in the head.

But since I was wrong, I did pose a few questions to you in another post, and I'm very interested in what your answers are.
 
96lioness said:
If I may ask you a question: from your previous posts regarding the killing black men at the hand of white officers, you've stated that you've either had similar situations or have had similar experiences. As a law enforcement officer, why would it be necessary to point your weapon at the head of a subdued suspect that's in a position of submission while you have backup from another police officer?

Why was it necessary to point the gun at his head if he was, based on your sources, shot in his chest and also in his back?
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Your idea and perception of position of submission is a bit skewed. But in the spirit of the question, if his hands are not a threat, and the person is not displaying active resistance, I couldn't articulate a good reason. If, by chance, the hands are not "under control" and/or a person is displaying active resistance with a possibility of a weapon being produced, aiming a weapon at the person is not "out of bounds". The head is not the "primary" target of choice, but when people are fighting/struggling, control of the situation is the aim. It is then up to the officer to articulate WHY his actions were necessary in light of the circumstances. That articulation must be able to be corroborated by evidence.

Long winded answer to say this...the head shouldn't be targeted, but is not necessarily "out of bounds" either.
 
If Black Folks had listened to Malcolm X more than Dr. King, we wouldn't be in all this mess we are in now.

Don't you all realize some black folks benefit off the oppression of the common black man and black woman unless you're in their cliques?
 
96lioness said:
No apologies needed; nor was it my intent to be argumentative. I, like so many others, are just so very tired and angry at the blatant disregard of human life the police appear to have toward that of our Black men. The video that I saw, the one posted by sujagtillidie, shows a BR office take out his weapon and point it at the head of Sterling Alton, who was on the ground, facedown, in a position of submission. The next few seconds he was dead. I didn't see in that video the other officer take his weapon out, which is why I mistakenly thought Mr. Sterling was shot in the head.

But since I was wrong, I did pose a few questions to you in another post, and I'm very interested in what your answers are.
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One of the officers shouted "GUN", and I saw at least 2 officers immediately unholster their weapons. I couldn't really tell which officer fired the shots.
 
The Founder said:
I went to a meeting ones concerning this issue and ended up being a "bash the cops meeting" with fake ass wanna change the world niggas talking shit rather than offering real conclusions.

What I hate most are the black folks who can make a difference scared because of how their white counterparts view them.
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Nothing's going to change until Black officers start speaking up as a unit.
 
When Black People come to the realization that Republican and Democrat White People look at you as inferior, you will then see reality and change can occurs.

Black Men and Black Women have always been more Superior to our White Counterparts. Why do you all think they want to kill us so much? They envy us.

Black Officiers cannot predict when an action of police misconduct will occur. You can't hold them accountable for random acts. This is like you as a common person not knowing if some fool will open fire in the movie theater, etc.

Again, how can we defend ourselves when WE BLACK PEOPLE have been brainwashed to support Gun Control?
 
The legal system is against the black man from the jump. This chick my cousin was dating and move out of her house two months ago tried to claim domestic violence. The sheriff came out took all his guns until he went to court last week. When he showed up for Court the prosecutor had a plea bargain for him saying appear guilty get five years probation and forfeit his guns and pistol permit. My cousin told him I'm not signing nothing. I'm not guilty. When the court session started the chick told so many lies the judge thru it out of court. She admitted he never touched her. He said the white prosecutor told him you lucky this time. We will get the next one though. This is what they do. They try to get a felony on black men anyway possible even when you're innocent by pressuring you to take plea deals.
 
s phi s said:
Your idea and perception of position of submission is a bit skewed. But in the spirit of the question, if his hands are not a threat, and the person is not displaying active resistance, I couldn't articulate a good reason. If, by chance, the hands are not "under control" and/or a person is displaying active resistance with a possibility of a weapon being produced, aiming a weapon at the person is not "out of bounds". The head is not the "primary" target of choice, but when people are fighting/struggling, control of the situation is the aim. It is then up to the officer to articulate WHY his actions were necessary in light of the circumstances. That articulation must be able to be corroborated by evidence.

Long winded answer to say this...the head shouldn't be targeted, but is not necessarily "out of bounds" either.
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S Phi S....black folks are simply tired of seeing events where black men are killed by the cops and white men are apprehended. This shit is sickening.

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Alive and well after killing people at church.

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Still alive after killing many

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Selling cigarettes and choked to death

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Killed while asking cops for help

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There is a serious problem with our police when it comes to race. As an officer you must be the first to see this and admit it. If it were not for social media and technological advancements we would never know truly the truth and we might as well be living in a time when this was ok.

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BRAVEHEART123 said:
When Black People come to the realization that Republican and Democrat White People look at you as inferior, you will then see reality and change can occurs.

Black Men and Black Women have always been more Superior to our White Counterparts. Why do you all think they want to kill us so much? They envy us.

Black Officiers cannot predict when an action of police misconduct will occur. You can't hold them accountable for random acts. This is like you as a common person not knowing if some fool will open fire in the movie theater, etc.

Again, how can we defend ourselves when WE BLACK PEOPLE have been brainwashed to support Gun Control?
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Who said anything about predicting random acts? These acts aren't random. They're becoming the norm.
White officers have a long sordid history of doing this, yet there's no Black officers union or group speaking out on behalf of Black males being struck down by fellow White officers, the same officers who pledged to serve and protect people, not gun them down without provocation.
 
chocalate_topaz said:
Black men...what are you gonna DO? How do you plan to mobilize to stop them from picking you off one by one?
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What are black women gonna' do? Continue to buy foo-mang yang's weave and put purple contacts in their eyes trying to be what they are not? lol

I did my part to fight this "system" I recognized a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago that was in place. #1, I became 10000000000000% legal - a non-felon and stayed far to the right of known felons so there would be no association or reason for them to take a knucka' down w/ their "laws of the land." So, in that regard, I CHL'd, just like them. I pack heat. I pack heat proudly. They bought an AR-15, I did too, proudly. True story, I took my refresher for the CHL a few recent years ago and naturally, I was the only black colored face in that camp of 27 sum odd anglo folks. The 2 white instructors [retired deputies] asked everyone why they wanted to CHL [first timers] and naturally, they said "protection from THUGS, GANGsters, THUGS, and one even said black thugs lol. They didn't see the only colored sitting in the back of the room w/ his SR9 and 3 clips adjacent my case. When my time came, I turned all their smiley faces of laughter, joking, and pure comedy to unsettling because I responded w/ these words [word for word]: I'm here to renew my license that I've had since 1994 to protect myself from OTHER CHLers who may be quick to the trigger thinking I'm a thug who's after their junk that I owned when in my 20s and ANY police officer or anyone else who points his OR HER weapon @ me I don't give a good flying damned who you are. My uncle taught me @ 12 that if A-N-Y-O-N-E points a gun @ you, you point yours back and make sure you have fire leaving yours." Rat pissin' on cotton. It was silent, outside of the 2 instructors, in that room for the next 2 hours as I did the simple refresher over the laws and the shooting portion again. #2, I became a decently vocal voting citizen where I recognized that felons CANNOT register to vote; therefore, you are actually a working citizen being TAXED w/out representation smh. How dumb to fall into the system's pit trap but you shole can play the hell out of those other remedially elementary assed games that PS3/XBOX has but flunk @ the simpler game of life. lol :D lol

The game [of life] is easy to master, if you're intelligent enough to do what is right, a majority of time - THAT is the message I try to convey to these younger boys of color. But this path is ridiculously seldom traveled, for whatever unjihadish reason.
 
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The Founder said:
S Phi S....black folks are simply tired of seeing events where black men are killed by the cops and white men are apprehended. This shit is sickening.

150618183449-dylann-roof-custody-large-169.jpg

Alive and well after killing people at church.

0327-james-holmes-getty-article-1.jpg

Still alive after killing many

MTM2NjQ1MjUxMzA1NjQ1NjY1.jpg

Selling cigarettes and choked to death

2B136AE000000578-3184441-image-m-16_1438645435442.jpg

Killed while asking cops for help

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There is a serious problem with our police when it comes to race. As an officer you must be the first to see this and admit it. If it were not for social media and technological advancements we would never know truly the truth and we might as well be living in a time when this was ok.

1409352010352
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This pretty much sums up it. Until police officers themselves starting calling out rogue cops like these, nothing will ever change. The blue wall of silence is real

 
BRAVEHEART123 said:
If Black Folks had listened to Malcolm X more than Dr. King, we wouldn't be in all this mess we are in now.

Don't you all realize some black folks benefit off the oppression of the common black man and black woman unless you're in their cliques?
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True story ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. Some won't understand because they refuse to open their eyes and see it. I've PERSONALLY seen this for 28 consecutive years upfront and personal like. smh Putridly pitiful that some think they worship white heh-soos on Sunday morning when in factuality 7 days out of the week they are succumbing to the royal screwing that's economcally occurring about them. :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
When Black Folks realize the 2nd Amendment is there to help us, things will get better.

If anything, law-abiding Blacks need to be the main ones at gun shows, having subscriptions to gun magazines, etc.
 
Bewildered said:
What are black women gonna' do? Continue to buy foo-mang yang's weave and put purple contacts in their eyes trying to be what they are not? lol.
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You mean what have black women DONE??? Your attempts at demonizing are expected...it's what black folks do well--demonize their own instead of getting to the real answers.
 
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