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DAHILL

DAHILL

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1) How do you feel about home schooled athletes who play sports in public schools (ie Tim Teebow)... agree/disagree positives/negatives

2) In high school athletics should private schools be in the same athletic association as public schools? I ask this because when I tell my friends that in Alabama, we have private schools in the AHSAA (Alabama High School Athletic Association), they look at me crazy.
 
1. I say no. Playing sports is a part of going to public or even a private school that has a team. If a home schooled player is going to play for a team, there should be a fee of some sort involved. I don't know if it should simply be a right, more of a privaledge.

2. I don't have an issue with it. It is the same way in the state of LA. As long as the school is classified based on its enrollment, etc. I don't see the big issue. It is not as if they have an overwhelming advantage in sports anymore than a team that has favorable districting of students. It is the same in LA as it is in AL.
 



Suge said:
2. I don't have an issue with it. It is the same way in the state of LA. As long as the school is classified based on its enrollment, etc. I don't see the big issue. It is not as if they have an overwhelming advantage in sports anymore than a team that has favorable districting of students. It is the same in LA as it is in AL.
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Critics say that public schools are at a disadvantage because private schools can basically recruit who they want and nothing can be said about it. I know in Alabama a public school counts 10-12 grade students to determine classifications. Private schools (since they are at an advantage) also count 10-12 graders, but each student counts for 1.5 people as opposed to 1 person for public schools. So for instance a 6a public school is going to be larger than a 6a private school.
 
A public school can recruit, in a manner of speaking. But if the kid can't afford the tution, they have to develop some plan of action to allow the student to enroll. That alleviates some of the recruiting.

Plus not everyone wants t go to a certain school simply because they are the "powerhouse". They want to be the giant killer more than the giant.

I do understand that there can be an advantage for the private school, I just don't have an issue with it, and don't think that the advantage is that much greater.
 
Suge said:
1. I say no. Playing sports is a part of going to public or even a private school that has a team. If a home schooled player is going to play for a team, there should be a fee of some sort involved. I don't know if it should simply be a right, more of a privaledge.
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But aren't those same people (who are home schooling their kids) paying property taxes in which the school districts they live in benefit from? In a sense, that is a fee.
 
I see your point SOG. But I counter that with the fact that athletics are extra-curricular activities, that in many of school districts are under funded already, and are dependent upon revenue that the teams can generate to fund the non revenue sports.

If they wanted the kid to use the science lab, I say okay. But sports are a priviledge(sp.) not a right, and the home schooled kid is also subjected to a different set of rules than the traditional student. What about his gpa, and numver of classes required to be eligible? How can these issues be equaled out?
 
DAHILL said:
1) How do you feel about home schooled athletes who play sports in public schools (ie Tim Teebow)... agree/disagree positives/negatives
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I don't have an issue with it. Those parents pay taxes which subsidize the public school system. Yes, they have selected to take their child out of public school system and they have every right to do so. They can't, however, elect out of paying taxes which subsidize the school(s) the child would have attended.

I also realize that the same argument could be made for parents of students that attend private schools. They pay taxes which support the public schools. Again, that is the choice they made, i.e., to pay tuition for their child's education on top of paying taxes.
 
mighty hornet said:
please explain

heck, I thought if Lil Johnny doesnt live in Central High's district, then he cant go to Central High.
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shiiiid.... if that was the case my high school would win state in basketball every year.

Huntsville City Schools operate under a federal desegregation order. Basically stating that if you are Black and zoned for a majority Black neighborhood school, that you can transfer to any school in the city where there are less Blacks. My high school is 99.2% Black, so that means you can go to any other high school in the city. Its a DUMB rule, and Ive heard the city is trying to get rid of the federal desegregation order. It would be a cool rule if we were trading students with the other schools, but its NOT happenning. We are losing students and other schools are OVERCROWDED. My high school was built for 3,000 and we have about 850. Another majority white school in Huntsville has over 2500 students and has trailors all over the campus because they are overcrowded, but under federal law they still have to accept students from my high school if they are Black. Common sense tells you if you a school on one side of town is more than half empty... and another school on the other side of town is filled beyond capacity, that you wold STOP letting students from one school go to overcrowded school.

this is a pic of my school... no way it should be more than half empty.
J.O. Johnson High
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DAHILL said:
Huntsville City Schools operate under a federal desegregation order. Basically stating that if you are Black and zoned for a majority Black neighborhood school, that you can transfer to any school in the city where there are less Blacks.
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Wouldnt work in Atl public schools, cause all the schools are black. :lol:
Dekalb County use to have that. (majority to minority). I think its ended now, but it shole helped the athletic programs at schools in north Dekalb (Dunwoody).


but I didnt think thats what Suge was referring to.
 
1) Although I see a few potential problems, I say let the kid play for the school he would be zoned. They have already paid the taxes so that is not an issue, and I would just hate to see a kid not get a chance to play. I would say that to play, they should at least make the kid take 1 or 2 classes at the school even if it is just P.E.

2) That has been a big debate here in La. It is still a major agenda this year for Lhsaa. You take a school like Evangel, they were nothing but a football factory. They had a handful of students (there enroll was a the lowest classification) but were playing football at the highest level. Now if you think they weren't recruiting. Take Southern Lab, they play at the lowest classification based on thier enrollment but draw students from the entire city an some surrounding towns. Now they are match with a small town high school that only draws from the small number of people in that town. I would like to see 1 high school association , not 2 separate ones, but something needs to be done to level the playing field some. I like the idea of what alabama does and makes private schools play up.
 
Lewis said:
I like the idea of what alabama does and makes private schools play up.
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it kind of works thing out... for instance a private school with an enrollment of 1000 is equal to a public school with an enrollment of 1500 (since each private school student is counted as 1.5)
 
Lewis said:
1) Although I see a few potential problems, I say let the kid play for the school he would be zoned. They have already paid the taxes so that is not an issue, and I would just hate to see a kid not get a chance to play. I would say that to play, they should at least make the kid take 1 or 2 classes at the school even if it is just P.E.

2) That has been a big debate here in La. It is still a major agenda this year for Lhsaa. You take a school like Evangel, they were nothing but a football factory. They had a handful of students (there enroll was a the lowest classification) but were playing football at the highest level. Now if you think they weren't recruiting. Take Southern Lab, they play at the lowest classification based on thier enrollment but draw students from the entire city an some surrounding towns. Now they are match with a small town high school that only draws from the small number of people in that town. I would like to see 1 high school association , not 2 separate ones, but something needs to be done to level the playing field some. I like the idea of what alabama does and makes private schools play up.
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I agree..

In Louisiana, majority-minority transfers and other items from deseg orders (magnet programs) can swing things. Hell, Woodlawn-Baton Rouge has Mayfair in its attendence zone. Now if the rumored Shenandoah-area split were to occur, please believe that Mayfair will be an area of contention for them.

Even Lewis' beloved Peabody, along with schools like Washington-Marion where magnet programs are housed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a kid has the GPA to enter Peabody's programs and lives in Alexandria, then he/she can go. However, Peabody's tradition goes way beyond and comes before deseg.

We always said Lab recruited, heck Christian Life was sorry in all sports until Rufus Alexander started coming in from Opelousas and they got Stephen LaFors and Michael Clayton over there.

And with some of these parents nowadays, these kids have become little mercanaries. Catholic-Pointe Coupee's QB was at Lab before transferring to Catholic-PC in New Roads this year. Some of his receivers and teammates were at Pointe Coupee Central and Livonia also.
 
THis is a rule John Carroll Catholic in Birmingham put in place to DISCOURAGE recruiting/athletic transfers. JC is one of the larger private schools in the state and play in the largest classification in the state.

5. Ninth grade students are immediately eligible to compete in interscholastic athletics if they attended a Catholic feeder school in their eighth grade year.

(Other students must attend John Carroll for one year before becoming eligible.)

so they are basically saying, you are not going to USE them for sports lol The only way you are immediately eligible is if you come in from a Catholic feeder school.
 
What I meant was what Dahill was referreing to, and I was also referring to how winning attracts players. In districts with districting laws, the top school stays on top thanks to some parents. Many parents will move into a certain district simply to make sure that their child plays for a certain program. That is what I mean by recruiting, winning recruits itself. Plus if a new school wins early, and becomes the hot suburb...watch out.

Also I see the tax dollar issue is the main issue when it comes to home school kids playing for the public school. Okay, I do understand that the parents have paid their tax dollars, and I say okay, give them the use of the equipment and maybe even the facilities, but tax dollars do not equate to that kid being actually on the team. To me, that is simply the price you pay for your child not attending a school without sports. Private school kids aren't afforded the same opportunities if their school does not have sports, why should home school kids.

What about schools not allowing common tax payers to use their facilities? They pay tax dollars too right?
 



Journalist said:
I agree..

In Louisiana, majority-minority transfers and other items from deseg orders (magnet programs) can swing things. Hell, Woodlawn-Baton Rouge has Mayfair in its attendence zone. Now if the rumored Shenandoah-area split were to occur, please believe that Mayfair will be an area of contention for them.

Even Lewis' beloved Peabody, along with schools like Washington-Marion where magnet programs are housed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a kid has the GPA to enter Peabody's programs and lives in Alexandria, then he/she can go. However, Peabody's tradition goes way beyond and comes before deseg.

We always said Lab recruited, heck Christian Life was sorry in all sports until Rufus Alexander started coming in from Opelousas and they got Stephen LaFors and Michael Clayton over there.

And with some of these parents nowadays, these kids have become little mercanaries. Catholic-Pointe Coupee's QB was at Lab before transferring to Catholic-PC in New Roads this year. Some of his receivers and teammates were at Pointe Coupee Central and Livonia also.
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My boy, you know my head is still smokin'. Something has gotta be done.
 
DAHILL said:
1) How do you feel about home schooled athletes who play sports in public schools (ie Tim Teebow)... agree/disagree positives/negatives

A home schooled student should not be allowed to play sports in public schools. As someone mentioned before how would his elgiblility be determined? There was also mentioning of taxes being paid. Here is Houston there are school taxes. In my home town, there is no such thing as school taxes. There is a reason that the parents felt the need to home school the child/ren. If the school cannot meet the child's needs academically why would one alllow their child to participate in athletics there?
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WalkWitaPanther said:
My boy, you know my head is still smokin'. Something has gotta be done.
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shid Walk.....With those boys going to their right schools..things would've been very,very different..

But you know I've always could not stand them bastids that play at Community Park....

and you do know Catholic-PC QBs from Maringouin...


Like Sean Stockman left North Iberville to play at Lab and then went back to NI...what kinda isht was that??

Now the new LHSAA commish is talking about letting schools move up, but only to 5A....now that's going to open a whole different can of worms
 
Journalist said:
shid Walk.....With those boys going to their right schools..things would've been very,very different..

But you know I've always could not stand them bastids that play at Community Park....

and you do know Catholic-PC QBs from Maringouin...


Like Sean Stockman left North Iberville to play at Lab and then went back to NI...what kinda isht was that??

Now the new LHSAA commish is talking about letting schools move up, but only to 5A....now that's going to open a whole different can of worms
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He also talked about "bridging the gap" between public and private schools. Them private school principals acted like they were shocked to hear that recruiting goes on..........ain't that a b*tch???
 
If the kid IS NOT a student of the school, then he should not be able to play sports at that school. Everybody in that school district PAYS SCHOOL TAXES (even apartment renters). So, an 80 year old man does not have the right to play on the high school football team no more than a 16 year old high schooler.

Again, I say only STUDENTS of the school should be allowed to be on the team.
 
Da_Sperm said:
If the kid IS NOT a student of the school, then he should not be able to play sports at that school. Everybody in that school district PAYS SCHOOL TAXES (even apartment renters). So, an 80 year old man does not have the right to play on the high school football team no more than a 16 year old high schooler.

Again, I say only STUDENTS of the school should be allowed to be on the team.
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BINGO!!!!
 
WalkWitaPanther said:
He also talked about "bridging the gap" between public and private schools. Them private school principals acted like they were shocked to hear that recruiting goes on..........ain't that a b*tch???
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According to the rumor mill here...last school year All-State Safety Alfred Franklin of Kentwood got into head coach David Currier's dog house. So somehow he wound up going to St. Thomas Aquinas for one day (bear in mind Kentwood to Hammond's a 35-mile drive). He only went to STA one day before his daddy promptly took him back home to Kentwood.

Springfield people upset that a pair of twin brothers are playing basketball for STA now as freshmen.

Even Roddarick Jones at St. John-Plaquemine. How in the heck does he go from St. Gabriel to Plaquemine (I know he catches the ferry or takes the bridge)?

In girls basketball, Southwood has been alleged to do some "outsourcing" for basketball players. Like I said in another post, magnet schools have relaxed attendance zones (conversely, a higher GPA usually) to attend. Also bear in mind how the majority-minority transfer rule and other aspects of desegregation have been manipulated in the name of athletics.

But just think of the outright bidding war that will go down if playing up to 5A comes into effect. It won't just be private schools, but public schools in well-heeled suburban districts (Zachary) doing it as well. It will widen the gap between school districts with more money that poorer school districts and widen the gap between private and public schools altogether.

Also, if a private school moves up to 5A, doesn't that mean they have to do it in all sports? This discussion is based primarly on football and will affect football the most dramatically.
 
DAHILL said:
THis is a rule John Carroll Catholic in Birmingham put in place to DISCOURAGE recruiting/athletic transfers. JC is one of the larger private schools in the state and play in the largest classification in the state.

5. Ninth grade students are immediately eligible to compete in interscholastic athletics if they attended a Catholic feeder school in their eighth grade year.

(Other students must attend John Carroll for one year before becoming eligible.)

so they are basically saying, you are not going to USE them for sports lol The only way you are immediately eligible is if you come in from a Catholic feeder school.
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Probably has to do with elgibility issues.
 
This year the 1A state champion basketball team was a private charter school in Dallas, Texas. The school is 1A because of its enrollment of 150 students. The problem is the recruiting aspect, 8 of the players on the team will sign D1 Scholarships.


The average margin of victory was 50 points.
 
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