Creflo Dollar Tells Eddie Long’s Former Church Members “Go Backâ€￾

[dacontinent]

See, stuff like this shows your lack of scriptural soundness.

JayRob is not your brother, but Eddie Long is? Eddie Long is your brother. Very interesting.

I wonder what Jesus has to say about that:

31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Mark 3: 31 - 35

I wonder if a pattern of hypocrisy and lying - "preaching" against homosexuality while playing in boy's booty holes the whole time is doing the will of God.



You have interesting brothers, dacon. They don't seem to be like Jesus' brothers at all. Does that say anything about you?

Hmmm.

JayRob is quoted as being an unbeliever in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Consequently, JayRob is not my brother according to the Scripture.

JayRob is a smart dude: intelligent, articulate, and with a great mind. I long to have a person with his tenacity and thoroughness IN the Body of Christ. It would be awesome. That is the real reason that I deal with JayRob at all. He is already aware of these statements on how I feel about him because he has read them before.

Eddie Long is my brother for contrapositive reasons. I am responsible to both men for completely different reasons.

 

[dacontinent]

dac, just stop. Stop. This too serious for you to be playing with folks like this.

Just to refresh your memory, you said:



... about this video:

...
Watch that video again and see what you agreed to.

Thanks. I did as you asked.

"I can't believe that people would leave their preacher because he had a wreck instead of praying for him..."
"The blood will take care of that..."
"The gossip that is in the Body of Christ because he had a wreck..."
"Some of the same people clapping their hands are hoping that I have a wreck..."
"If you came from there, get on back where you are supposed to be and do what you're supposed to be doing..."

These are the elements that stood out in my review of the clip. I am certainly in agreement with them. Perhaps you have others to share that were more significant to you.

 

[luvdaboom]

I'm still waiting ....

My faults are wide open for everyone to see and I'll willingly confess to them. But, I'm not a "bishop" and no one is putting me over their church. Unlike your beloved Eddie Long ....

Can you give me one example or not?

they still havent answered this question huh

 

[JayRob]

Nice thought, but your confession tells me that you are not my brother.

Secondly, there is absolutely no fire here. The Word is quite clear and succinct: restore my brother.

Correction: If Adam is the father of us all, then according to scripture, I am your brother.

 

[Blacknbengal]

JayRob is quoted as being an unbeliever in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Consequently, JayRob is not my brother according to the Scripture.

JayRob is a smart dude: intelligent, articulate, and with a great mind. I long to have a person with his tenacity and thoroughness IN the Body of Christ. It would be awesome. That is the real reason that I deal with JayRob at all. He is already aware of these statements on how I feel about him because he has read them before.

Eddie Long is my brother for contrapositive reasons. I am responsible to both men for completely different reasons.

You sure you're talking about the right JayR? LOL!!!!!!! Just playin with you Jay.

 

[SUtrp96]

So you guys are gonna rely on an analogy of some biologically and anatomically impossible event to people leaving the church. I'm sure you all know that body parts have no ability to detach itself from the body. It's ludicrous, and frankly insulting, to offer such an analogy.

Let me ask this question. As Long is trying to restore himself, should the objective be to restore himself as it relates to his relationship with God, or is the objective to always restore himself to his position with the church??? It's obvious that he's fallen short in a serious way. And unlike Creflo Dollar, I see this as much more than a "wreck". Religion has a way of causing otherwise rational thinking people to ignore all rationality. If my high level executive is caught stealing company money, I can easily forgive him and remain his friend. But I'd be a fool to put him back in the same position to steal company money. So, when pastor is doing the kinda mess that Bishop Long is doing, he can be forgiven and loved, but he shouldn't expect to resume or reclaim that same position or status as a matter of right. And to expect the congregation to keep him there or ridicule them for leaving if he remains is wrong.

You know what withall the stealing ..lying... and deceiving these mega church leaders have done.. I would have to believe Creflo and the other wants him restored with his position in the church....

But it makes you wonder...with what all they do and tolerate from each other do they even care about the GOD they preach to their people...

One have to believe, "Religion" is nothing more to these people than a business. They in my eyes are folk who know more than what they tell the masses and this gives them some false hope that they are doing nothing wrong in all of their WRONG doings..

Just my observation..

 

[SUtrp96]

You know what’s crazy and shows how brain washed some folk are...


If a common man commits the same crimes... He is sent to jail and once he is released.. he is encouraged to ATTEND church.. not LEAD church...

Some one FN up the Long is should be in the audience LISTENING instead on in front of people TEACHING!

But some of you are too brainwashed to even understand that common sense conception.

 

[CriTAUcal]

:smh: @ these preachers in this thread.

 

[SUJagFan]

JayRob is quoted as being an unbeliever in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Consequently, JayRob is not my brother according to the Scripture.

JayRob is a smart dude: intelligent, articulate, and with a great mind. I long to have a person with his tenacity and thoroughness IN the Body of Christ. It would be awesome. That is the real reason that I deal with JayRob at all. He is already aware of these statements on how I feel about him because he has read them before.

Eddie Long is my brother for contrapositive reasons. I am responsible to both men for completely different reasons.

Actually, you and JayRob are more brothers than you're trying to lead us to believe.

In the post you just quoted it clearly states that Jesus said he who does the will of God is his brother. Since Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long (your brothers according to you) and you do not support doing the will of God, then you are not Jesus' brother. Meaning that you are on the same team JayRob is on. JayRob's purpose is the same as yours, Creflo Dollar's and Eddie Long's - to lead people away from God.

JayRob is just honest with his. You and your cronies are not. JayRob is just a wolf. You're that proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

But, you're both wolves. Brothers.


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[SUtrp96]

Actually, you and JayRob are more brothers than you're trying to lead us to believe.

In the post you just quoted it clearly states that Jesus said he who does the will of God is his brother. Since Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long (your brothers according to you) and you do not support doing the will of God, then you are not Jesus' brother. Meaning that you are on the same team JayRob is on. JayRob's purpose is the same as yours, Creflo Dollar's and Eddie Long's - to lead people away from God.

JayRob is just honest with his. You and your cronies are not. JayRob is just a wolf. You're that proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

But, you're both wolves. Brothers.


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You make a damn good point!

 

[chocalate_topaz]

:smh: @ these preachers in this thread.

I'm right there with you.

SUJag...you on it, my friend.

 

[JagHammer]

Actually, you and JayRob are more brothers than you're trying to lead us to believe.

In the post you just quoted it clearly states that Jesus said he who does the will of God is his brother. Since Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long (your brothers according to you) and you do not support doing the will of God, then you are not Jesus' brother. Meaning that you are on the same team JayRob is on. JayRob's purpose is the same as yours, Creflo Dollar's and Eddie Long's - to lead people away from God.

JayRob is just honest with his. You and your cronies are not. JayRob is just a wolf. You're that proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

But, you're both wolves. Brothers.


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Pow! I am blown.

 

[jstate83]

And we wonder why people don't go to church these days. :smh:

These are not churches.
These are multi-million dollar operations for con artist pulpit pimps. Fools want to keep throwing their money away to them, so be it. I would not set foot in or give any of these type of fools a penney of my money.

 

[dacontinent]

Correction: If Adam is the father of us all, then according to scripture, I am your brother.

SUJagFan already gave you the quote from Jesus, Himself. If you want to argue with Jesus about that, then go ahead. That will be between the two of you.

 

[Tony]

Well dacon.

See “preaching” in church is easy.

People are dressed up, trying to be polite

All you gotta do is say the same things they’ve been hearing for years.

Add a little extra you may have picked up from tspn or elsewhere then Wa-La!!!!

You seem like the greatest preacher ever

Generally no one is gonna embarrass you or themselves by contradicting what’s being said


But here on a message board, around people who really study the Bible, you’re forced to back up those beliefs with scripture.


Come on “Preacher” you’re suppose to preach the Word in season and out of season

Take off all your clothes and preach Bible

See it’s hard to stay with Scripture when you’re no longer hungry, no longer preaching in that small store front
When your cup is running over with fancy cars, fancy houses, fancy friends, and fancy gatherings

Come on dacon. I’m rooting for you

Tell us the Word says we shouldn’t be in ungodly counsel
Tell us how if someone isn’t speaking sound doctrine we should shake the dust off our feet and move on and not to even wish them Godspeed

Come on dacon!!!!!!!

 

[JayRob]

SUJagFan already gave you the quote from Jesus, Himself. If you want to argue with Jesus about that, then go ahead. That will be between the two of you.

So you're going to ignore the Adam theory out of convenience?

 

[CEE DOG]

I guess the Cock did get the Rooster. :shame:

 

[JayRob]

Actually, you and JayRob are more brothers than you're trying to lead us to believe.

In the post you just quoted it clearly states that Jesus said he who does the will of God is his brother. Since Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long (your brothers according to you) and you do not support doing the will of God, then you are not Jesus' brother. Meaning that you are on the same team JayRob is on. JayRob's purpose is the same as yours, Creflo Dollar's and Eddie Long's - to lead people away from God.

JayRob is just honest with his. You and your cronies are not. JayRob is just a wolf. You're that proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

But, you're both wolves. Brothers.

Correction: JayRob merely tries to get folks to look objectively at religion and it's historical impact on the bible, the koran, etc. If you consider it trying to lead people AWAY from the Jesus character, then you're sadly mistaken and misleading in your concepts.

Then you call me a wolf?! Wow!! I thought I was a truth-spreader with an objective mind who looks at both sides of the equation for believers and non-believers. If I'm a wolf for doing that, then so be it.

 

[dacontinent]

Actually, you and JayRob are more brothers than you're trying to lead us to believe.

In the post you just quoted it clearly states that Jesus said he who does the will of God is his brother. Since Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long (your brothers according to you) and you do not support doing the will of God, then you are not Jesus' brother. Meaning that you are on the same team JayRob is on. JayRob's purpose is the same as yours, Creflo Dollar's and Eddie Long's - to lead people away from God.

JayRob is just honest with his. You and your cronies are not. JayRob is just a wolf. You're that proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

But, you're both wolves. Brothers.


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I do regret that you don't understand my purpose. For the record:

1. Eddie Long should step aside as pastor of New Birth and any other groups of which he has been leading except for his family. The by-laws of those groups should be clear and cover such matters;
2. He should submit himself to a counsel of leaders intent on seeing him restored AS A PERSON of faith (Gal 6) and seeing his family cared for;
3. If that restoration counsel declares the restoration process successful, then they should also include the necessary verbiage a recommendation stating if and/or when and/or under what conditions Eddie Long shoud return to a leadership capacity in the Body of Christ;
4. If Eddie Long is indicted on criminal charges, he should face them and the decision of the court should stand;
5. People who have been members of New Birth should stay there and help with the process of restoration (Matt 18). The Church and New Birth have suffered reproach because of this case. There is as much restoration to occur at New Birth as a place of worship as there is for Eddie Long as a person. The people need to be cared for;
6. The membership of New Birth and every church everywhere should re-examine their by-laws, procedures, and accountability standards to better ensure that there is no repeat of this kind of scandal;
7. There are some people who might not be spiritually mature enough to remain at New Birth during the restoration process. That is not a knock against those people, but a simple matter of them knowing where they are spiritually. If that is the case, they need to explain that to the ministry to which they go so the ministry team there understands and delivers the kind of care that is needed for them. Those former New Birth people need to submit themselves to the care offered to them by the new ministry.

Believe me when I tell you whenever a leader in the Church is found to be culpable, there are repercussions that ripple all the way through to the smallest of ministries. It is unavoidable and it should be. The people of the world should be able to look to the Church and all of its entities as living above reproach. The Lord is there to enable us to avoid falling (Jude 24), and He is there to raise us when we do.

I don't ever want to be guilty of leading people away from God. Winning souls to Christ is the primary purpose of my life.

 

[dacontinent]

So you're going to ignore the Adam theory out of convenience?

Not at all. We are brothers according to the flesh: you, me, Hitler, Tito, Chairman Mao, Osama Bin Laden. That will never change because of the first Adam.

My reference is clearly to the Second Adam. I am aware enough to know that you already knew that.

 

[Blacknbengal]

smh

This is how the wars in the middle east started.

 

[dacontinent]

...Come on dacon. I’m rooting for you

Tell us the Word says we shouldn’t be in ungodly counsel
Tell us how if someone isn’t speaking sound doctrine we should shake the dust off our feet and move on and not to even wish them Godspeed

Come on dacon!!!!!!!

Thanks for the encouragement.

What you are saying is well-placed and exactly the kinds of elements that are examined in the restoration process. That is what I am advocating and asking for. We are in complete agreement. That is exactly what the process is about. Don't skip to running away without engaging the process. If the subject is confronted with the process and refuses to take part in it, then you have the answers that you need in order to see that subject removed from the position. The Scriptures will support such a decision and the corporate laws of the State and United States of America will require and/or assist in that enforcement.

 

[southsuburbs]

I do regret that you don't understand my purpose. For the record:
Eddie Long should step aside as pastor of New Birth and any other groups of which he has been leading except for his family.

I think this is all people wanted you to say on the first page but, as usual, you went too far with a simple situation/answer and turned folks off.

Sometimes us "simple folks" just want you all (Pastors, Church Leaders) to just keep it real and stop with all the confusing talk. We are not as stupid as you think...:tup:

 

[Blacknbengal]

Stand strong Dac.

 

[GSU4LIFE]

I think this is all people wanted you to say on the first page but, as usual, you went too far with a simple situation/answer and turned folks off.

Sometimes us "simple folks" just want you all (Pastors, Church Leaders) to just keep it real and stop with all the confusing talk. We are not as stupid as you think...:tup:

Thank you!