Breaking News About Silver Dollar Classic!


Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker)
Often times entities will not allow you contract a multi-year deal for their facilities, because they view their events as their first priority. Also creating longer multi-year contracts would more than likely require the organizer or promoter to invest more upfront for deposits and etc.

Personally, I do not think it there was anything unlawfully done in this case, but I think it obviously that some unscrouplous (inmoral)business practices game into play and not being on the inside and knowing all the facts it really difficult for me have a firm stay one way or the other. But, on general principle based on what I currently am aware of I will not attend the event and I was actually looking forward to making a vacation out of this event.

As was said earlier we discuss this a week ago in our forum and all of these same issues were talk about.
Jafus you hit the nail on the head,we are so quick to say black folks drop the ball(self hate is a mutha)without even having any evidence.
But those of us who have been in and seen this game longer then the time it takes to graduate know the tricks.
Lets give our school officials some credit it must be a reason they haven't sign a contract yet.
I mean this ain't their for rodeo.
 
According to an offical in the Aggies athletic department, NC A&T WILL participate. Contract signed and confirmed.

According to an offical in the Jaguars athletic department, Southern WILL participate. Contract signed and soon to be confirmed.

Jafus you hit the nail on the head,we are so quick to say black folks drop the ball(self hate is a mutha)without even having any evidence.
So true...
 



My last post on this topic.

Why are folks assuming that the bruthas even had a multi-year option in the first place. Also, the article in the Vegas newspaper (below) should tell you everything you need to know about the intentions of the new Las Vegas promoters.

Black colleges to return to Las Vegas
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Mar-05-Wed-2003/sports/20817672.html

REVIEW-JOURNAL

Sam Boyd Stadium will again be host to a pair of the country's top black college football programs this fall when Southern University plays North Carolina A&T in the renamed Las Vegas Classic.

Pat Christenson, the president of Las Vegas Events, said Tuesday that he has finalized a deal for the game to played Sept. 13.

Southern, located in Baton Rouge, La., was 6-6 last season, and North Carolina A&T was 4-8.

"We want to further expand the 'battle of the bands' portion of the event and do more to create a whole weekend of activities," Christenson said.

"These schools also travel better than the ones we had last year, so we expect the crowd to be around 30,000."

In last year's inaugural game, called the Silver Dollar Classic, Grambling defeated Tennessee State 49-14 in front of about 22,000 spectators.

1st point - They make no mention that there are new promoters. They simply state that the classic has been renamed. Giving the appearance that it's the same people, just a differnt name. At best misleading, at worst straight up deceptive advertising.

2nd point - They got 22K for a first time athletic event in Vegas and they have the nerve to diss GSU and TSU by saying that they don't travel. No knowledge of either school and no respect for either program.

The whole thing is SHAMEFUL!!!
 
I for one will be at the game with my blue and gold on, supporting my team.

I trust the A&T chancellor to weigh all the facts and make a decision on what is best for the university, so if he has decided that this will be a profitable endeavor for A&T, then I trust it will be.

What some people may not realize is that they are so eager to boycott and keep their money from "The Man" that they are willing to shoot their own universities in the foot. What's more important: a few black promoters or 20,000 students at the respective universities?

If you want to protest, smuggle in some fried chicken and dont buy a $5 hot dog from UNLV. Dont skip the game because some ex-promoters are salty.
 
Go to the game, cheer for your team, and hope those brothers learn to handle their business better in the future. If they have a legitimate complaint or has been wronged legally then they can settle it in the court of law.
 
I'll pose this question to all of you and it doesn't need any debate or intellectual spin.
If a group of black business men would have done what may have been done to these guys and the other business men were white,do you think the white community there would come and spin their dollars?
Just a thought
 
If it were a PWC game, then yeah, the white folk would go see their team play, assuming the teams had fans to begin with.
 
Originally posted by Robber
If it were a PWC game, then yeah, the white folk would go see their team play, assuming the teams had fans to begin with.

I did ask not to put a spin on it ....

If a group of black business men would have done what may have been done to these guys and the other business men were white,do you think the white community there would come and spin their dollars?
 
Just because you dont get the answer you want doesnt mean it's spin.

I think the white folk would go and support their team with painted faces and big #1 foam hands, just like Imma go do (except for the painted face, of course)
 
bluedog,

How do you figure I put a spin on it. I said "assuming they had fans to begin with," because if they don't have good fan bases, then I wouldn't expect people to attend. White folk aren't like us. They support their own teams. Put Florida State and Nebraska in Vegas and there will be a ton of FSU and Nebraska fans. Not just casual fans in the community they want to come out and watch. That's why bowl games are so selective with their teams. They choose teams that will bring fans, and not pray that locals will fill the seats.

So, again I say, if two white schools were playing and some black promoter got over one some white dudes to put on the game, then the fans of the PWC schools would still go see their teams play. They don't give a damn about how the game got put on. Like Brandmasta said, they'd be painted up, drunk and screaming their arses off. Throwing liquor bottles just like they do on campus.
 
OK let me try to put this in perspective, we aren't Florida state or Nebraska so lets be realistic and compare apples to apples
We're talking about two div.1aa schools and that is what the question is about,to div.1aa schools.
So can we stop comparing what we do to large pwc's there is none so lets keep it real ok.
 
Well bluedog, since you put it that way, two 1-AA PWC's will not get invited to this type of event because their programs don't attract the fans like their big brothers or HBCU's. So, we are comparing apples to apples when we compare SU vs NCAT to Nebraska and Florida State.

White folks will attend the game because they love football. They don't care who was wronged in the process to set up the game. That's the American Way.
 
http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2003/04_03/news_upfront2.html


Blackballed?

Promoter says racism killed football game

By Damon Hodge


"They wouldn't have done this if I was a white boy," Calvin Lovick says by phone from Los Angeles.
They are Pat Christenson, president of Las Vegas Events, and Daren Libonati, director of the Thomas & Mack Center and Sam Boyd Stadium.

This, he alleges, is stealing the Silver Dollar Classic, the city's first black college football game, from him. The reason: money.

"They only did this after seeing how successful Silver Dollar Classic was," Lovick contends, noting its $25 million take was nearly triple its expectations. He figured the sequel was a go. Instead, he says, he got stonewalled.

A month after the September 2002 game came a memo from Libonati announcing an open date, September 13, and eight rental requirements, including a $2 million line of credit, TV contract with a major network and marketing plan for Vegas, feeder markets and those of the participating schools. Parties had two weeks to submit a proposal.

Lovick missed the deadline.

Now, North Carolina-based Urban Sports has scheduled the Las Vegas Classic, pitting Southern University and North Carolina A&T at Sam Boyd.

Lovick says sources inside Grambling State University and Tennessee State University, the schools that competed in the Silver Dollar Classic, informed him of a covert push to sabotage the event. However, officials from both schools failed to return calls for comment. A press release e-mailed to media and black colleges claims Silver Dollar was "stolen from black businessmen" and calls for a boycott.

Christenson says he's shocked by allegations of profiteering and racism. Las Vegas Events is a nonprofit, funded by the room tax, and its goal is to lure tourists by sponsoring large events (National Finals Road, NASCAR races). He blames organizers for Silver Dollar's woes.

"Calvin never submitted a proposal," Christensen says. "If he brought us a package and we turned it down and there was evidence of racism, then he would have a reason to be upset."

Urban Sports not only submitted a proposal and met the demands, Libonati says, but it had an excellent pedigree, having promoted Bayou Classic, the largest black-college football game, which generates $100 million in annual revenue for New Orleans. He says waiving the requirements, as was done last year to jumpstart Silver Dollar, wasn't an option.

"We bailed them out of a lot of situations so that the game could happen ? we wanted the conditions met up front this year," Libonati says. "We literally held their hands throughout the Silver Dollar process. We had a great working relationship."

Randolph Benn, who worked with Lovick for nearly two years to produce Silver Dollar, says tourism officials were skeptical about Silver Dollar from the beginning.

"Our goal was to show them we could get 30,000 well-behaved black people from all over the country ? educated black people who didn't fight and drink and do all the things they think we do, to come together and enjoy themselves," says Benn, who lives in Las Vegas. "With our success, I assumed we'd be a in shoo-in for a contract. Now they've taken Silver Dollar out of black hands."

John Simon disagrees. Owner of New Creations Productions, a black entertainment management and media production company, he was hired by Urban Sports to be executive director of the Las Vegas Classic. (Last year, Simon handled television promotion and logistics for Silver Dollar.)

Simon says $10,000 will be provided for college scholarships, and Las Vegas Classic organizers will sponsor a North Las Vegas Back-to-School fair, giving away 2,000 backpacks.

"This had nothing to do with color," Libonati says, "and everything to do with their inability to fulfill their obligations.
 



Bluedog how do you ask a question and say don't put any "spin" on the reply. But you try to "spin" the question again so you can get the answer you want?

Anyway, I am so tired of black people always playing the victim. look what "they" did to us. What about what you did to yourself. That article above says all I need to see.


"With our success, I assumed we'd be a in shoo-in for a contract."

This statement tells me all I need to know........
 
More post by Eternal Aggie on the MEACFANS website.

I got this e-mail below form one of my Aggies who contacted Mr. Lovick. He had Mr.Benn respond who is also one of the original organizers. Read it for what it is worth. For me if A&T is getting paid properly I will be there.

From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:43:49 EST
Subject: THE SILVER DOLLAR CLASSIC
To: [email protected]

Dear Kimberly:

My name is Randolph Benn one of the originators of the Silver Dollar Classic. Mr. Calvin Lovick asked me to respond to your letter of inquiry and support in view of the unfortunate events relating to demise of our Silver Dollar Classic

Yes, the information you received is absolutely correct. They stole our game. The article you read is only about 10 days old and we appreciate your willingness to get the word out.

The fact of the matter is as Follows:

In late 1999 Calvin Lovick called me and said he wanted to bring a Football Extravaganza to Las Vegas, Nevada between Grambling and another team and wanted to know what I thought about the idea. Since he and I were partners owning an employment agency in 1979 called Benn & Lovick Personnel Service, we maintained our contact even though I left Los Angeles...

I told him I thought it was a great idea because I knew he was capable of pulling it off and I would certainly be willing to help. ...I moved to Las Vegas in August of 2000 ...

My presence here in Las Vegas made Cal's idea more feasible and we began planning for the game in March of 2001...We secured the contractual arrangements for the venue site and the two schools: Grambling State and Tennessee State Universities which included their marching bands.

The event was successfully conducted on September 20-21, 2002 with 30,000 well behaved black folks from all over the United States enjoying the first of its kind in Las Vegas, Nevada's history. We were hoping to capitalize financially on the second and third year of this production but it was stolen by the Las Vegas Events, Inc. and Urban Sports a white group from North Carolina claiming it was their event last year and they just changed the name...they convinced a black security guard to open a company called the NCP Entertainment Group who has a P.O. Box as a mailing address and a quick fix website: Contact Us!! [HEARSAY]

I did not intend initially to go into all of this but I guess your genuine inquiry made me give you the true facts...Anyway, there you have it.

In addition to earning some money we wanted to show the significant contribution HBCU's made in America and to show young people that we too are capable of making a difference. But as you said, our efforts have been undermined.

Thanks for listening. If you can access the emails addresses of all the HBCU's, that would help a lot.

Sincerely,

Randolph Benn
 
Originally posted by Suge
Bluedog how do you ask a question and say don't put any "spin" on the reply. But you try to "spin" the question again so you can get the answer you want?

Anyway, I am so tired of black people always playing the victim. look what "they" did to us. What about what you did to yourself. That article above says all I need to see.



This statement tells me all I need to know........

After reading both the article and the e-mail it seems clear to me that this issue should be taken up in court.
If not then the originators of this event obviously miss it.
Suge I don't know what to tell you bruh,just keep reading until you can finally get off the little yellow bus. :rolleyes:
 
Now I know why GSU/AAMU Game did not happened in Vegas this year. GSU home game was suppose to be the game of choice for the Silver Dollar Classic.

But everybody knows that we attend certain football games.

There is some talk about another group in Seattle, WA. putting on a HBCU event, but getting teams up there will cost too much. Charter planes are expensive.

I sure hope SU and AT&T are going to get atleast a million each.
Maybe they should ask for expenses on top of the 1 million each.

We know who owns Vegas.
 
Boycott of football game sought

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Apr-10-Thu-2003/sports/21079782.html

Silver Dollar promoters upset over losing rights to black college event

By MARK ANDERSON
REVIEW-JOURNAL






Promoters of last year's Silver Dollar Classic football game, played at Sam Boyd Stadium between historically black colleges, want fans to boycott this year's game after losing the right to organize the event.

However, stadium director Daren Libonati said promoters were given ample opportunity, and the venue had to put in more stringent requirements because of problems he said occurred leading up to last year's game.

This year's game, on Sept. 13 between Southern and North Carolina A&T, will be called the Las Vegas Classic. The promoter is Urban Sports and Entertainment Group, which is based in North Carolina and handled television and game-day management of last year's game between Grambling and Tennessee State.

Earl Harris and Calvin Lovick promoted last year's game and have used their public relations firm in urging the boycott.

"Everybody made money," Harris said. "Micah Fuller of Urban Sports made money. The hotels made money. It was one of the best-controlled crowds Las Vegas ever had. Sam Boyd made money. It was successful by all indications to us."

Libonati said the stadium netted a little more than $150,000, but added that other factors influenced the decision to not automatically re-hire Harris and Lovick.

"There were a couple of scenarios where we ran into trouble," said Libonati, who would not get specific. "We're the venue, and the promoters' part is to recognize what needs to be done. We would've hated to see 25,000 people disappointed because the event didn't come off because of a few things."

Harris said the game was never in danger of being canceled, and any difficulties were minor and fairly typical of putting on such an event.

"We had some advance ticket sales two or three days before, and we asked them to assist us with a charter flight," Harris said. "It was our money."

However, Grambling athletic director Al Dennis said he feared last year's game would not be played when he was told the charter flight for the team had not been paid for shortly before it was scheduled to leave.

"We wouldn't have gone out there if they hadn't worked it out," Dennis said. "So there were some contentious times before the game."

After last year's game, Libonati said he sent a letter to Harris, Lovick and Urban Sports listing the criteria for this year's game.

A $50,000 deposit was required, 10 times more than the year before. The new criteria included a $2 million letter of credit, television contract, commitment letters from sponsors, an advertising and marketing plan, and reference letters from the competing conferences and universities' presidents.

"We did it to protect (UNLV), as well as the two universities," Libonati said.

The letter was dated Oct. 18 with a Nov. 1 deadline.

"How do you do that with a two-week turnaround?" Harris asked. "Even the so-called company now doing the promoting was late preparing letters from the schools and conferences."

Fuller, vice president of business development for Urban Sports, said his company met all deadlines.

"We were given the same notice as the other promoters," Fuller said.

Urban Sports, Fuller said, has a history of working with historically black colleges, specifically with the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association, Bayou Classic and Heritage Bowl.

In the news release urging a boycott, one of the complaints was that there was a lack of black organizers involved in putting together this year's game. However, John Simon -- the game's executive director -- owns New Creations Productions, an entertainment and media company that caters to black clientele.

Fuller said each school will receive $375,000, and $10,000 will go to Clark County high school seniors for minority scholarships.

Libonati said race was not a factor when selecting the promoter.

"It's a shame that (Harris and Lovick) even played that card," Libonati said.
 
Well i have to say that i also notice the allegations of no minority involvement and thought that shown signs of who was telling the truth.
Vegas her i come...MOVE OVER ELVIS.
 
You got to love American business. If you don't know how to play the game, then you will played. Seems like last years promotors did all the hard work for this years promotors. Only difference is this years promotors have a deeper financial backing.

The best thing that will come out of this is the next black promotor to bring a HBCU Classic to a metropolitian city should learn from this event. It only makes everyone a winner. Leave race and color out of this.
 
My school is getting 375K and playing in Vegas. You better believe JROCK will be in sin city with The Nation!

Sorry, The A.D. at Gram was quoted as saying the air accomodation were not right up to the last moment. And I vaguely remember financial problems last year with the teams getting paid promptly. In the illustrious words of one of my alums in The Nations forum "If you fail to plan then plan to fail." If these brothers have a legitimate beef, some type of legal redress is in order. I dont believe it is our fight.
 
This ain't "business". The first set of promoters got "played." Up the requirements and give them two weeks to respond? And if its true that the "other" promoters were allowed to respond later, then what's fair about that.

But what really gets me is this perception I have that Vegas first wanted to see if a group of college educated Black alumni could act "civil." I wonder if they will continue to support this if "we".... "get out of line".

My view is that our schools would be much better off if we took the money we spent on going to, at least, one classic a year and sent directly to the University (including travel expenses, lodging, ticket, etc). This classic would be a prime candidate for me.

Regards.
 
One thing about business is that it isn't fair. Business is business. It looks like a win-win situation. The new promoters will get to promote the classic and the schools will get their money without hassel.

You have a good point. Spend the money on the university instead of the classic. I myself will take a similar approach. I'm giving more money to my school and supporting less games. For me and my family to attend games at UAPB from Dallas can get very expensive. This year I will donate more, go to less games, and do more local things with my family.
 
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