Black Athletes, White Schools...

[JR]

True to an extent....lol They raised the ACT entrance in 97 my second year at SU..but the N.O. kids drop off started in 98 and really could have picked back up in 99, but not by much. Rumors and grades played a part in New Orleans kids not populating SU band..after 99...

Yeah I thought so........because as you know I have always thought the Juke lost a little something by the NO cats not being there in numbers. They were always the heartbeat of the band. Now some were off the chain back in the day. But none the less they added the flavor to the Juke. The grade thing was what we kept hearing from Doc and others on the dropoff. We didn't have to worry about that during the open admissions days. Do you remember what the ACT score was that they raised it to in 97? Wasn't the band fan in the Juke with you? He should have known this. LOL.

 

[SUtrp96]

True, it is an admission of injustice, but to an 18 year old going to college now, to try to apply that now is just an excuse.

How do you know where that black 18 year came to the place he/she is today? You would be closed-minded to think what happened back then isn't still effecting the over-all out come of our race still today. And that's only because NOTHING wasn't done about it. It's not an excuse and shouldn't be used as one, but it is reality.

When that 18 year old was born and was living in the projects here in New Orleans like MANY. You think they never asked how come it is the norm for most of our people to be in this situation and be "STRAIGHT"?...
Well us educated people can say, "Their parents didn't apply themselves".. But us open minded black folk can say.." I made it out, but the good Lord knows I am lucky and blessed".. The situations our people been even after slavery and segregation wasn't a good one.. Our people has always for the most part been in a situation to where we NEEDED the "Man". When you are put in that situation and there is no more MLK to motivates the strong , average and WEAK minds in our community, the way this AMERICA is set up...We have a LONG mile to swim.

I was born in 78', and my father (R.I.P.) always told us, to make it in this world, you have to be atleast 2 times better than the white man, to be successful you have to be atleast 10 times than that of the best white man.

How many WHITES if placed in that situation would have been willing to swim in that water?!?!

We already saw what they resorted to after the "Great depression"...
Wake up people.

 

[SUtrp96]

Yeah I thought so........because as you know I have always thought the Juke lost a little something by the NO cats not being there in numbers. They were always the heartbeat of the band. Now some were off the chain back in the day. But none the less they added the flavor to the Juke. The grade thing was what we kept hearing from Doc and others on the dropoff. We didn't have to worry about that during the open admissions days. Do you remember what the ACT score was that they raised it to in 97? Wasn't the band fan in the Juke with you? He should have known this. LOL.

Yeah Bandfan is my CB...lol But when we got into SU it was "Open"... even had a few crab brothers that got in band right after doing time. Uncle Buck is one, became SU first "White" SGC president (he's from New Orleans..)

97 ACT reqrirements went up to an 18. Which I know A LOT of New Orleans folks was not getting. From know a lot of folk, the average I knew of (Bandmember) wise was like an 15 to 16 on the ACT.

 

[PsychoJag]

How do you know where that black 18 year came to the place he/she is today? You would be closed-minded to think what happened back then isn't still effecting the over-all out come of our race still today. And that's only because NOTHING wasn't done about it. It's not an excuse and shouldn't be used as one, but it is reality.

When that 18 year old was born and was living in the projects here in New Orleans like MANY. You think they never asked how come it is the norm for most of our people to be in this situation and be "STRAIGHT"?...
Well us educated people can say, "Their parents didn't apply themselves".. But us open minded black folk can say.." I made it out, but the good Lord knows I am lucky and blessed".. The situations our people been even after slavery and segregation wasn't a good one.. Our people has always for the most part been in a situation to where we NEEDED the "Man". When you are put in that situation and there is no more MLK to motivates the strong , average and WEAK minds in our community, the way this AMERICA is set up...We have a LONG mile to swim.

I was born in 78', and my father (R.I.P.) always told us, to make it in this world, you have to be atleast 2 times better than the white man, to be successful you have to be atleast 10 times than that of the best white man.

How many WHITES if placed in that situation would have been willing to swim in that water?!?!

We already saw what they resorted to after the "Great depression"...
Wake up people.

I agree with everything you said except the part about us always being in a situation where we "needed" the man. Back in the early 1900's black people owned more land and businesses than we do now. The thing back then was every time we had our own stuff the racist white folks burned it down, or murdered you, or ran you out of town. Alot of people don't know that during the Great Depression while they were panicking our communities were thriving. That's why the KKK in Tulsa Oklahoma burned Greenwood down in 1910 out of jealousy because blacks owned oil, their own banks, businesses, and many were millionaires.

The thing is now we don't educate our own and we settle for nothing.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

I agree with everything you said except the part about us always being in a situation where we "needed" the man. Back in the early 1900's black people owned more land and businesses than we do now. The thing back then was every time we had our own stuff the racist white folks burned it down, or murdered you, or ran you out of town. Alot of people don't know that during the Great Depression while they were panicking our communities were thriving. That's why the KKK in Tulsa Oklahoma burned Greenwood down in 1910 out of jealousy because blacks owned oil, their own banks, businesses, and many were millionaires.

The thing is now we don't educate our own and we settle for nothing.

After the civil war, my ancestor was the largest landowner in the county where Tunica is. Lost all of it somehow.

 

[JR]

After the civil war, my ancestor was the largest landowner in the county where Tunica is. Lost all of it somehow.

Wow. Just think how much that land was worth when they built those Casinos up that way near Tunica.

 

[PsychoJag]

After the civil war, my ancestor was the largest landowner in the county where Tunica is. Lost all of it somehow.

Daymn. :smh:

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

Wow. Just think how much that land was worth when they built those Casinos up that way near Tunica.

I thought my uncle was BSing, but he went down to Jackson and got the census records. He also took pictures of the place where the school house he built was. He also took pictures of the old church and cemetery. I need to go down there this summer.

 

[Lewis]

How do you know where that black 18 year came to the place he/she is today? You would be closed-minded to think what happened back then isn't still effecting the over-all out come of our race still today. And that's only because NOTHING wasn't done about it. It's not an excuse and shouldn't be used as one, but it is reality.

When that 18 year old was born and was living in the projects here in New Orleans like MANY. You think they never asked how come it is the norm for most of our people to be in this situation and be "STRAIGHT"?...
Well us educated people can say, "Their parents didn't apply themselves".. But us open minded black folk can say.." I made it out, but the good Lord knows I am lucky and blessed".. The situations our people been even after slavery and segregation wasn't a good one.. Our people has always for the most part been in a situation to where we NEEDED the "Man". When you are put in that situation and there is no more MLK to motivates the strong , average and WEAK minds in our community, the way this AMERICA is set up...We have a LONG mile to swim.

I was born in 78', and my father (R.I.P.) always told us, to make it in this world, you have to be atleast 2 times better than the white man, to be successful you have to be atleast 10 times than that of the best white man.

How many WHITES if placed in that situation would have been willing to swim in that water?!?!

We already saw what they resorted to after the "Great depression"...
Wake up people.

1) First, I agree on a concept level with most of what you said. But it to a certain degree a good sounding speech that many will cheerlead for, but we have to get past.

2) My statement was a specific statement, not a general one that you have taken out of context to a certain degree. Someone posted about the reparations for Japanese Americans. their reparations was $20,000 in 1988. My statement was that is not an excuse now. THat specific thing, not everything that ever happened.

3) A lot of stuff (bad, unfair, etc.) has happened to a lot of people over history. This world will NEVER be fair, not even if we (black) folks were running it.

4) Going back to the topic of this discussion, we are talking about black athletes white schools, and then black students at either one. Now it has mushroomed to something bigger.

I'll stop here, but one thing is for sure in my mind. We should NEVER forget. But the longer we used that as an excuse (or what ever you want to call it) we are not going to make it far.

 

[SUtrp96]

I agree with everything you said except the part about us always being in a situation where we "needed" the man. Back in the early 1900's black people owned more land and businesses than we do now. The thing back then was every time we had our own stuff the racist white folks burned it down, or murdered you, or ran you out of town. Alot of people don't know that during the Great Depression while they were panicking our communities were thriving. That's why the KKK in Tulsa Oklahoma burned Greenwood down in 1910 out of jealousy because blacks owned oil, their own banks, businesses, and many were millionaires.

The thing is now we don't educate our own and we settle for nothing.

Good point, I remember reading that article...Think about it, if it wasn't for the "Man" the black race will be a lot further ahead.. I am more than sure we would be the front runners of this country.. But being that the "MAN" isn't for right he will never let us black folks surpass them in "THIS" country. So in essense we will need them, unless drastic change is made and the "Man" change his/her way of thinking..and that way of thinking is totally opposite from us all being equal.

 

[SUtrp96]

1) First, I agree on a concept level with most of what you said. But it to a certain degree a good sounding speech that many will cheerlead for, but we have to get past.

2) My statement was a specific statement, not a general one that you have taken out of context to a certain degree. Someone posted about the reparations for Japanese Americans. their reparations was $20,000 in 1988. My statement was that is not an excuse now. THat specific thing, not everything that ever happened.

3) A lot of stuff (bad, unfair, etc.) has happened to a lot of people over history. This world will NEVER be fair, not even if we (black) folks were running it.

4) Going back to the topic of this discussion, we are talking about black athletes white schools, and then black students at either one. Now it has mushroomed to something bigger.

I'll stop here, but one thing is for sure in my mind. We should NEVER forget. But the longer we used that as an excuse (or what ever you want to call it) we are not going to make it far.

I respect your opinion, but I think it only mushroomed to something bigger because to look at this "simple" issue like it's not much behind it, we would be fooling ourselves and falling into the "ALL-AMERICAN" way of thinking...lol

 

[jag4life]

How do you know where that black 18 year came to the place he/she is today? You would be closed-minded to think what happened back then isn't still effecting the over-all out come of our race still today. And that's only because NOTHING wasn't done about it. It's not an excuse and shouldn't be used as one, but it is reality.

When that 18 year old was born and was living in the projects here in New Orleans like MANY. You think they never asked how come it is the norm for most of our people to be in this situation and be "STRAIGHT"?...
Well us educated people can say, "Their parents didn't apply themselves".. But us open minded black folk can say.." I made it out, but the good Lord knows I am lucky and blessed".. The situations our people been even after slavery and segregation wasn't a good one.. Our people has always for the most part been in a situation to where we NEEDED the "Man". When you are put in that situation and there is no more MLK to motivates the strong , average and WEAK minds in our community, the way this AMERICA is set up...We have a LONG mile to swim.

I was born in 78', and my father (R.I.P.) always told us, to make it in this world, you have to be atleast 2 times better than the white man, to be successful you have to be atleast 10 times than that of the best white man.

How many WHITES if placed in that situation would have been willing to swim in that water?!?!

We already saw what they resorted to after the "Great depression"...
Wake up people.

Every word. :tup:

 

["NOISE TALKA"]

Most of this discussion points to the question of whether or not our schools are relevant at all. I agree with SUtrp96, to understand most of what is happening now you have to understand the past. Don?t believe the hype people, HBCU?s are more relevant today than we?ve ever been in our existence. To find our relevance we need only look at the NEED we address.

I tell people all the time that one of the main reasons I love working at an HBCU is because everyday I believe we do the most important work in this nation. We take those considered to be the least? from the place considered to be the least and produce greatness. To do that and outperform and/or perform on par with anybody, anywhere is simply remarkable. That?s the story of HBCU?s around this nation.

I think the significance of a thing can be measured by the magnitude of the need for it. Who better to address the socio-economic struggles, breakdown in family structure, inadequate primary education in Black America than the Black Colleges?

I think we can all agree on that?. BUT?

The problem is most of us, in a society that lends itself to personal agendas first thinking, can?t wrap our minds around the idea of achieving a greater goal TOGETHER. It?s seen throughout our culture. We do not at all get what our individual choices, mistakes, achievements, etc. have to do with us ALL. More and more we have fallen into a assimilated slump of individualism that has destroyed us.

 

[Kendrick]

I tell people all the time that one of the main reasons I love working at an HBCU is because everyday I believe we do the most important work in this nation. We take those considered to be the least? from the place considered to be the least and produce greatness..

I feel most of what you are saying, but can you explain the statement above in greater detail?

 

[Lewis]

Most of this discussion points to the question of whether or not our schools are relevant at all. I agree with SUtrp96, to understand most of what is happening now you have to understand the past. Don?t believe the hype people, HBCU?s are more relevant today than we?ve ever been in our existence. To find our relevance we need only look at the NEED we address.

I tell people all the time that one of the main reasons I love working at an HBCU is because everyday I believe we do the most important work in this nation. We take those considered to be the least? from the place considered to be the least and produce greatness. To do that and outperform and/or perform on par with anybody, anywhere is simply remarkable. That?s the story of HBCU?s around this nation.

I think the significance of a thing can be measured by the magnitude of the need for it. Who better to address the socio-economic struggles, breakdown in family structure, inadequate primary education in Black America than the Black Colleges?

I think we can all agree on that?. BUT?

The problem is most of us, in a society that lends itself to personal agendas first thinking, can?t wrap our minds around the idea of achieving a greater goal TOGETHER. It?s seen throughout our culture. We do not at all get what our individual choices, mistakes, achievements, etc. have to do with us ALL. More and more we have fallen into a assimilated slump of individualism that has destroyed us.

Very Good statements, but I would like to comment. First, so that we that it is clear that we making statements from the same point of view, I also work at an HBCU. HBCU's serve a very important purpose, but one of the problems is things change over time. Many of the comments and attitudes posted by folks here really show they don't have a clue, but think they know everything. They still think like its 1960.

Taking the least and producing greatness is a noble idea, and when it can be accomplished, it is great. But realistically, that is hard to continually do. Anyone that has taught knows that the hardest thing to do is when you have a class where the distance from the top students to the bottom students is large. If you teach for the top students to be great, you lose the bottom, and if you teach for the bottom, the top will not achieve that greatness.

In Louisinia, the role of HBCU's is changing. Now we have admissions standards and BRCC for those who cant meet those standards. We have to understand how our role (which is still vitally important) changes with that, but it is not 1960 anymore. Online education also changes things, to a large degree online education is a lot more colorblind than formal education is.

For more and more of "US", HBCU's in the role they played in the past are not the "Best" place for everyone. Some has stated in many threads that most blacks that go to a white school because they have a slave mentality and think white is better. That statement is so ignorant it is sad. Guess what, every dept. at an HBCU is not going to better than somewhere else. Some dept. at an HBCU (and rightfully so) may be geared toward the "student that has the least". It is vital that some of us go where ever the best is and compete with them. That is the only way we will maximize what we can accomplish. We need some of "US" to go to thier schools and learn from a different point of view and on a different level and bring that expertise back to our HBCU to make them better. If we don't, it won't be long before we cannot compete. HBCU's can no longer afford to live in thier own little worlds. Niether can black people. Nor can we keep making simple excuses (even if the excuses are based on fact)

 

[Lewis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by "NOISE TALKA"
I tell people all the time that one of the main reasons I love working at an HBCU is because everyday I believe we do the most important work in this nation. We take those considered to be the least? from the place considered to be the least and produce greatness..

I feel most of what you are saying, but can you explain the statement above in greater detail?

Let me try to explain some of this. This has been HBCU's claim to fame for years and years since the creation of HBCU's. Although there is a lot of substance to it, it is not nearly the same anymore. Back in the days of segregation, black secondary schools had the least, and nothing much was expected of them, the HBCU's took these students that no one else wanted, found the diamond's in the rough, and turned them in to something great.

But now the whole landscape has changed. Let's take sports for an example, unlike back then when a black kid would not have even been looked at, now how many diamonds will not be scouted, discovered and showered with offers from both white and black schools.

Now does that statement you quoted still hold true, yes to a certain extent, but it doesn't happen nearly as much and it is a lot harder to do. We still have a very, very, vital mission, but it has somewhat changed from that.

 

[Da_Sperm]

Lewis, you make a great point and your thought is pretty much how America has prospered. When you learn from others and others learn from you, you have a better understand of things and can make you more successful.

I wish that we as a people would think outside the box more. All black kids don't have to go to black colleges. All white kids don't have to go to PWC. Its OK for a black kid to go to LSU, SU, or even the local community college. I just hate that some people LOOK DOWN on OUR YOUTH simply because of the school they attend.

However, we will be QUICK to PROTEST for kids who are in jail for whippin somebody's azz.

 

[SUtrp96]

Very Good statements, but I would like to comment. First, so that we that it is clear that we making statements from the same point of view, I also work at an HBCU. HBCU's serve a very important purpose, but one of the problems is things change over time. Many of the comments and attitudes posted by folks here really show they don't have a clue, but think they know everything. They still think like its 1960.

Taking the least and producing greatness is a noble idea, and when it can be accomplished, it is great. But realistically, that is hard to continually do. Anyone that has taught knows that the hardest thing to do is when you have a class where the distance from the top students to the bottom students is large. If you teach for the top students to be great, you lose the bottom, and if you teach for the bottom, the top will not achieve that greatness.

In Louisinia, the role of HBCU's is changing. Now we have admissions standards and BRCC for those who cant meet those standards. We have to understand how our role (which is still vitally important) changes with that, but it is not 1960 anymore. Online education also changes things, to a large degree online education is a lot more colorblind than formal education is.

For more and more of "US", HBCU's in the role they played in the past are not the "Best" place for everyone. Some has stated in many threads that most blacks that go to a white school because they have a slave mentality and think white is better. That statement is so ignorant it is sad. Guess what, every dept. at an HBCU is not going to better than somewhere else. Some dept. at an HBCU (and rightfully so) may be geared toward the "student that has the least". It is vital that some of us go where ever the best is and compete with them. That is the only way we will maximize what we can accomplish. We need some of "US" to go to thier schools and learn from a different point of view and on a different level and bring that expertise back to our HBCU to make them better. If we don't, it won't be long before we cannot compete. HBCU's can no longer afford to live in thier own little worlds. Niether can black people. Nor can we keep making simple excuses (even if the excuses are based on fact)

I'm not understanding what makes going to a PWC more of a challenge.. And what gives you the thought to think we are maximizing our talent by competing with "White" kids and white professors versus our own. I don't get that at all.
Math is Math, Science is Science, Law is Law......etc.
The only difference comes into play when you are talking about a MIT where the federal government invest a lot into an instituation as such to where there are things an engineering student will learn that an SU engineering student isn't allowed to learn becuase of the Government/"Man" secret reasons.

We as a whole will be stuck as long as we THINK going to a school other than HBCU will maximize our potential. I think that is complete bull. I might not work for an HBCU but I dayum sure graduated from one and sat in classes with LSU students that were clueless to our lesson plan in SU engineering and witnessed a classmate's sister who was an engineer student at LSU that was 2 steps behind us and grew up in a neighborhood where the odds were completely against any and every black kid that wasn't over 6'0" and real talented in sports that didn't get injured going into college.

The only thing I see that is better at a PWC is the campus and you get looked at differently when you leave one of those versus one of our OWN...I hope you don't think is right (to be looked at a certain way because of what school is listed on your degree) here where I work, your entry pay factors in what college you graduated from.

The fact we get looked at differently should through up a red flag in any black person's mind, that we are being put against each other.."The Man's Plan"..lol

I see it here at work. Everyday, they have whites that went to trade school or have a associate's degree and you would think and believe every one of them here went to LSU..... But the few blacks here that did go to LSU get's left out the convo. when talking LSU football and most of them that talk LSU football went to a community college/UNO/Tulane/UL... it's a trip.

 

[jag4life]

I can definitely say that I do not look down on any black person who goes to the college that is best for them. I look down on those who downtalk HBCUs in the process of going to PWCs though.

I keep seeing folks post that SU has admissions standards now and all that... SU only requires a 2.0. That's still marginal, even though more than what was previously required.

 

[jag4life]

I might not work for an HBCU but I dayum sure graduated from one and sat in classes with LSU students that were clueless to our lesson plan in SU engineering and witnessed a classmate's sister who was an engineer student at LSU that was 2 steps behind us and grew up in a neighborhood where the odds were completely against any and every black kid that wasn't over 6'0" and real talented in sports that didn't get injured going into college.

Man those LSU engineering students would cross-register at SU and you wouldn't see them past the first month. LOL SU engineering students would take certain classes at LSU because they were EASIER there than at SU.

 

[Lewis]

I'm not understanding what makes going to a PWC more of a challenge.. And what gives you the thought to think we are maximizing our talent by competing with "White" kids and white professors versus our own. I don't get that at all.
Math is Math, Science is Science, Law is Law......etc.
The only difference comes into play when you are talking about a MIT where the federal government invest a lot into an instituation as such to where there are things an engineering student will learn that an SU engineering student isn't allowed to learn becuase of the Government/"Man" secret reasons.

We as a whole will be stuck as long as we THINK going to a school other than HBCU will maximize our potential. I think that is complete bull. I might not work for an HBCU but I dayum sure graduated from one and sat in classes with LSU students that were clueless to our lesson plan in SU engineering and witnessed a classmate's sister who was an engineer student at LSU that was 2 steps behind us and grew up in a neighborhood where the odds were completely against any and every black kid that wasn't over 6'0" and real talented in sports that didn't get injured going into college.

The only thing I see that is better at a PWC is the campus and you get looked at differently when you leave one of those versus one of our OWN...I hope you don't think is right (to be looked at a certain way because of what school is listed on your degree) here where I work, your entry pay factors in what college you graduated from.

The fact we get looked at differently should through up a red flag in any black person's mind, that we are being put against each other.."The Man's Plan"..lol

I see it here at work. Everyday, they have whites that went to trade school or have a associate's degree and you would think and believe every one of them here went to LSU..... But the few blacks here that did go to LSU get's left out the convo. when talking LSU football and most of them that talk LSU football went to a community college/UNO/Tulane/UL... it's a trip.

IMHO, (not trying to be negative against you) folks like you miss the point because you are 2 caught up in PWC vs HBCU. It is not so much that PWC is "more of a challenge". At the lowest basic level, you are somewhat correct. Basic Math is Math, and Basic Science is Science. But at a University you go beyond that. Let's take for example your field, Engineering. Southern does not have a chemical engineering program, LSU does, so. SOuthern also does not have Computer Engineering, LSu does.

Southern has world class experts in many fields, but lets keep it real, they also have some unqualified (or have it on paper, but not upstairs) folks, so does LSU. To maximize ourselves as a people, we need folks getting it from both sides. it is not that one side is that much better than the other. As I said, we cannot live in our own little world anymore.

 

[JR]

I'm not understanding what makes going to a PWC more of a challenge.. And what gives you the thought to think we are maximizing our talent by competing with "White" kids and white professors versus our own. I don't get that at all.
Math is Math, Science is Science, Law is Law......etc.
The only difference comes into play when you are talking about a MIT where the federal government invest a lot into an instituation as such to where there are things an engineering student will learn that an SU engineering student isn't allowed to learn becuase of the Government/"Man" secret reasons.

We as a whole will be stuck as long as we THINK going to a school other than HBCU will maximize our potential. I think that is complete bull. I might not work for an HBCU but I dayum sure graduated from one and sat in classes with LSU students that were clueless to our lesson plan in SU engineering and witnessed a classmate's sister who was an engineer student at LSU that was 2 steps behind us and grew up in a neighborhood where the odds were completely against any and every black kid that wasn't over 6'0" and real talented in sports that didn't get injured going into college.

The only thing I see that is better at a PWC is the campus and you get looked at differently when you leave one of those versus one of our OWN...I hope you don't think is right (to be looked at a certain way because of what school is listed on your degree) here where I work, your entry pay factors in what college you graduated from.

The fact we get looked at differently should through up a red flag in any black person's mind, that we are being put against each other.."The Man's Plan"..lol

I see it here at work. Everyday, they have whites that went to trade school or have a associate's degree and you would think and believe every one of them here went to LSU..... But the few blacks here that did go to LSU get's left out the convo. when talking LSU football and most of them that talk LSU football went to a community college/UNO/Tulane/UL... it's a trip.

I can see both viewpoints. One thing that bothers me is that alot of the views are based on experiences with those white folks in the deep South. You see you don't see that kind of racism in other parts of the country. Don't get me wrong.........their is racism but in different forms. I don't have issues of not being able to talk to the white boys about football.....they actually be at my office looking for me to comment. LOL. The superiority complex is much bigger with them in the South. These white boys here have no clue about black colleges and most blacks they know went to PWCs like them.

Now to Lewis is point........I can agree with alot that he says. Until you have dealt with Executive Level blacks and whites you will not understand how some schools are viewed. Sure our HBCUs have cranked out some of the most talented folks ever and will continue to do so. But that doesn't change the perception. I battle that on a daily basis. Those white folks rather talk about my time at Ohio State or my Naval days.........and quite honestly, the fact I was a Naval Officer has gotten me through the door more so than anything. So yes in this white dominated society those other schools are perceived to be better. I am not saying that is true. Because we all know in alot of instances they are not. But let's be real..........in a lot more instances we are not on point and have work to do. But every college is that way whether they are a PWC or HBCU. There is no perfect school. Every kid has to make a choice to go where they need to for what they want.

 

[jag4life]

Lewis, Now you're talking about majors offered at SU vs LSU. Of course we won't offer all the majors they have. That didn't seem to be SUTrp96's point at all to me.

 

[SUtrp96]

IMHO, (not trying to be negative against you) folks like you miss the point because you are 2 caught up in PWC vs HBCU. It is not so much that PWC is "more of a challenge". At the lowest basic level, you are somewhat correct. Basic Math is Math, and Basic Science is Science. But at a University you go beyond that. Let's take for example your field, Engineering. Southern does not have a chemical engineering program, LSU does, so. SOuthern also does not have Computer Engineering, LSu does.

Southern has world class experts in many fields, but lets keep it real, they also have some unqualified (or have it on paper, but not upstairs) folks, so does LSU. To maximize ourselves as a people, we need folks getting it from both sides. it is not that one side is that much better than the other. As I said, we cannot live in our own little world anymore.

We will have to agree to disagree. I believe eduacation on all levels is just that education. They are not writing seperate books for HBCU's vs. PWC.. it's all on how that teacher teaches his/her class and how that student takes the information studies and apply it. I said math, science because the way I was able to learn I found out all of that isht is just that simple.
You stated what Majors SU don't have vs. LSU..but you failed to address the ones we do have the same SU students are known to out perform an average LSU student. What major a school carries is only based on that school have MONEY to support that additional major by hiring qualified professors for that major of interest.

 

[jag4life]

We will have to agree to disagree. I believe eduacation on all levels is just that education. They are not writing seperate books for HBCU's vs. PWC.. it's all on how that teacher teaches his/her class and how that student takes the information studies and apply it. I said math, science because the way I was able to learn I found out all of that isht is just that simple.
You stated what Majors SU don't have vs. LSU..but you failed to address the ones we do have the same SU students are known to out perform an average LSU student. What major a school carries is only based on that school have MONEY to support that additional major by hiring qualified professors for that major of interest.

And that's all it is. Same books, same calculations, same scientific laws, same rules.

LSU is the flagship university so it will always have more majors than any other school in the state.