Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimmie J
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SUJAGUAR06
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
hell no...both men are doing an excellent job.......only a few good college band directors still around & alive. program is steady growing.....
hell no...both men are doing an excellent job.......only a few good college band directors still around & alive. program is steady growing.....
TBone2
Boom 84-89
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
It?s time for Liddell to be replaced. Performing with parts of uniforms missing is unacceptable. Using "Get Ready" as a drill song is an over kill of the song, simple arrangements and band members walking instead of marching during halftime shows are reasons why it's time to MAKE A CHANGE.
HBCUs said:
staggalee83 said:
It?s time for Liddell to be replaced. Performing with parts of uniforms missing is unacceptable. Using "Get Ready" as a drill song is an over kill of the song, simple arrangements and band members walking instead of marching during halftime shows are reasons why it's time to MAKE A CHANGE.
ClevePVAMU
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
As long as SWOOP stays...
As long as SWOOP stays...
1SGT_Robinson
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Dr. Jimmie James can stay....................
I have know the man for years.........................
Dr. Jimmie James can stay....................
I have know the man for years.........................
Taylor-Made'90
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Without a rock-solid replacement lined-up, I don't think Liddell should be replaced. He's made steady progress with the band since he came in '92. Now, with his progress has been some letdowns and some failures, but unless we've got somebody better, we need to keep him around.
And as far as Dr. James goes, I just wish that somebody would snatch the mic from his hands after he introduces the band.... He talks all through the drill, talking about the 18 ensembles and JSU being Mississippi's Urban University. I wish he'd shut-up and let the band perform...
But I know he isn't going anywhere...
It's that nasty little word called TENURE..
Without a rock-solid replacement lined-up, I don't think Liddell should be replaced. He's made steady progress with the band since he came in '92. Now, with his progress has been some letdowns and some failures, but unless we've got somebody better, we need to keep him around.
And as far as Dr. James goes, I just wish that somebody would snatch the mic from his hands after he introduces the band.... He talks all through the drill, talking about the 18 ensembles and JSU being Mississippi's Urban University. I wish he'd shut-up and let the band perform...
But I know he isn't going anywhere...
It's that nasty little word called TENURE..
BLUEBENGAL
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Progress compared to what or who? If JSU Alumni can supplement the Band Director's salary like they did Comegy's, maybe we could bring Dowell Taylor back? What about James Berry, Blake Gaines or Paul Adams to replace Liddell?
Taylor-Made'90 said:
Progress compared to what or who? If JSU Alumni can supplement the Band Director's salary like they did Comegy's, maybe we could bring Dowell Taylor back? What about James Berry, Blake Gaines or Paul Adams to replace Liddell?
BachMegatone
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
I say hire Bell as the Band director.
I say hire Bell as the Band director.
dacontinent
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
I personally know that Dr. James has been that way for at least the last 26 years. He does need to be quieted. I say that as one of the founding members of the Jackson State Tuba Ensemble.
However...I think most of us miss the point when we measure the successes or failures of a band program by the marching band. Marching band is cool, but it is probably the least of the ensembles in ANY band program when it comes to developing music and musicians for careers and lifetimes.
Basically, unless one goes on to play in a military band, his performing career in marching band is over after college. There is much more participation by the musicians in any of the other types of ensembles.
Bottom line is that an instructor, band program, or its university is not going to be evaluated professionally by how great its marching presentations were; rather by it ability to produce graduates that excel at the next levels. You hire band directors that are capable of leading a program to produce those graduates. The same is true of instructors in any academic discipline.
Based on those criteria, how do you evaluate Dr's Liddell and James?
Taylor-Made'90 said:
I personally know that Dr. James has been that way for at least the last 26 years. He does need to be quieted. I say that as one of the founding members of the Jackson State Tuba Ensemble.
However...I think most of us miss the point when we measure the successes or failures of a band program by the marching band. Marching band is cool, but it is probably the least of the ensembles in ANY band program when it comes to developing music and musicians for careers and lifetimes.
Basically, unless one goes on to play in a military band, his performing career in marching band is over after college. There is much more participation by the musicians in any of the other types of ensembles.
Bottom line is that an instructor, band program, or its university is not going to be evaluated professionally by how great its marching presentations were; rather by it ability to produce graduates that excel at the next levels. You hire band directors that are capable of leading a program to produce those graduates. The same is true of instructors in any academic discipline.
Based on those criteria, how do you evaluate Dr's Liddell and James?
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Good post. The next band director for the Boom whether it's in five or ten years will most likely be Dr. Michael Magruder, especially now that he is getting his experience as a head band director at WSSU.
Taylor-Made'90 said:
Good post. The next band director for the Boom whether it's in five or ten years will most likely be Dr. Michael Magruder, especially now that he is getting his experience as a head band director at WSSU.
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Dude, let it go. D. Taylor ain't coming back. Neither is Blake Gaines or Paul Adams. James Berry may be a future name, along with Dr. Magruder. Liddell has many faults, and I do mean many, and he is not very dynamic or creative as many of the JSU directors before him have been. He has not added very much that is new to the tradition, but at the same time he has kept that program very strong over the past 15 years. It's the healthiest now that it has been since he took over. He has had some very good bands, some better than others, but consistently good. His bands have been steadily growing and most these days are twice as big as the ones he had in his early 90's. Students want to be a part of his band as much as ever before.
And despite what people say about him not being better than D. Taylor, and he is not, his achievements have been just as big if not bigger. D. Taylor's biggest achievements, or the ones most people remember are the Motown special and the NBA All-Star game. Liddell had the Image Award, being rated the #1 college band in america during the mid '90's by a couple of publications, 2 Senior Bowls, NBA games, NFL games, having documentaries being done on the program by USC and CSTV that were broadcasted nationwide for months, and now being one of two bands in America that will most likely represent the USA in a world marching band competition in South Korea next year, and probably the hardest thing, trying to keep JSU fans interested for the past three years of the sorry azz Bell era.:lmao:
With all that said D. Taylor was a much better director, we can all agree on that, but dammit it's been 15 years, that nigra ain't coming back. Whether you like him or not Liddell has kept the Boom very good for the past 15 years and the next director will inherit a strong program. Some of yall need to calm down, yall want to fire every got dayum body. Those two men have over 50 years combined service to our JSU. Both will most likely be gone in 5 years or so anyway. Calm yall happy azzes down.:lmao:
BG1986 said:
Dude, let it go. D. Taylor ain't coming back. Neither is Blake Gaines or Paul Adams. James Berry may be a future name, along with Dr. Magruder. Liddell has many faults, and I do mean many, and he is not very dynamic or creative as many of the JSU directors before him have been. He has not added very much that is new to the tradition, but at the same time he has kept that program very strong over the past 15 years. It's the healthiest now that it has been since he took over. He has had some very good bands, some better than others, but consistently good. His bands have been steadily growing and most these days are twice as big as the ones he had in his early 90's. Students want to be a part of his band as much as ever before.
And despite what people say about him not being better than D. Taylor, and he is not, his achievements have been just as big if not bigger. D. Taylor's biggest achievements, or the ones most people remember are the Motown special and the NBA All-Star game. Liddell had the Image Award, being rated the #1 college band in america during the mid '90's by a couple of publications, 2 Senior Bowls, NBA games, NFL games, having documentaries being done on the program by USC and CSTV that were broadcasted nationwide for months, and now being one of two bands in America that will most likely represent the USA in a world marching band competition in South Korea next year, and probably the hardest thing, trying to keep JSU fans interested for the past three years of the sorry azz Bell era.:lmao:
With all that said D. Taylor was a much better director, we can all agree on that, but dammit it's been 15 years, that nigra ain't coming back. Whether you like him or not Liddell has kept the Boom very good for the past 15 years and the next director will inherit a strong program. Some of yall need to calm down, yall want to fire every got dayum body. Those two men have over 50 years combined service to our JSU. Both will most likely be gone in 5 years or so anyway. Calm yall happy azzes down.:lmao:
CriTAUcal
Do Good; Good Follows
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Good points!!!!
Liddell has a great love for Symphonic band, and he is good at it. I was in his symphonic band 95-98, and we were GOOD!!!!!!!! :tup: And Doc takes symphonic band more seriously than anything!
Though he slips in some areas of marching band, I still think he's a solid band director.
But honestly, people (as a whole) are never satisfied, no matter who or what they do. People are going to always find a way or reason to complain or find fault.
I haven't ran into a perfect band director OR a PERFECT BAND yet!
dacontinent said:
Good points!!!!
Liddell has a great love for Symphonic band, and he is good at it. I was in his symphonic band 95-98, and we were GOOD!!!!!!!! :tup: And Doc takes symphonic band more seriously than anything!
Though he slips in some areas of marching band, I still think he's a solid band director.
But honestly, people (as a whole) are never satisfied, no matter who or what they do. People are going to always find a way or reason to complain or find fault.
I haven't ran into a perfect band director OR a PERFECT BAND yet!
1SGT_Robinson
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Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
:lmao:
jaydog said:
:lmao:
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
I don't think he is terribly bad but he is not good either. The MAIN thing he needs to do is to get the band to MARCH!!!
I don't think he is terribly bad but he is not good either. The MAIN thing he needs to do is to get the band to MARCH!!!
CriTAUcal
Do Good; Good Follows
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
I see where a good number of people have voted in this poll.
My question is: Have you even marched in a band yourself???
Some people think they know what it takes to make a good band or have a good band director and are more clueless than they think.
And then you have some who may have marched but not while Liddell has been around. Some people just don't like him, 'cause he's not Taylor. Some folks (particularly JSU alums) need to let it go: Taylor isn't coming back and has NO interest of coming back (I've asked him already, during a magazine interview).
During Taylor's era and on back, things were done differently and some things were more acceptable within the band program (Some know what I'm talking about.).
Liddell is no where near perfect, but the man ain't just terrible either. He has managed to still keep a solid band program for more than 10 years AND his program is YET growing!!!! Though he's not crossing every "T" or dotting every "I", the man is doing something right! You can hate if you want, but the BOOM is still one of the top bands people love to see.
I've seen more self-hate among our people on these boards to last me a lifetime! Geesh.
I see where a good number of people have voted in this poll.
My question is: Have you even marched in a band yourself???
Some people think they know what it takes to make a good band or have a good band director and are more clueless than they think.
And then you have some who may have marched but not while Liddell has been around. Some people just don't like him, 'cause he's not Taylor. Some folks (particularly JSU alums) need to let it go: Taylor isn't coming back and has NO interest of coming back (I've asked him already, during a magazine interview).
During Taylor's era and on back, things were done differently and some things were more acceptable within the band program (Some know what I'm talking about.).
Liddell is no where near perfect, but the man ain't just terrible either. He has managed to still keep a solid band program for more than 10 years AND his program is YET growing!!!! Though he's not crossing every "T" or dotting every "I", the man is doing something right! You can hate if you want, but the BOOM is still one of the top bands people love to see.
I've seen more self-hate among our people on these boards to last me a lifetime! Geesh.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
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I have never marched in a college band BUT I can tell that the BOOM walks and that is something that not even you can take up for. I also have ears and love music that most don't even listen to. If band A can have energy, why can't the BOOM? If band B can sound good, why can't the BOOM? Save all of the things were done differently back then crap because some bands are still doing things better than us and that is unacceptable because we are JSU.
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I have never marched in a college band BUT I can tell that the BOOM walks and that is something that not even you can take up for. I also have ears and love music that most don't even listen to. If band A can have energy, why can't the BOOM? If band B can sound good, why can't the BOOM? Save all of the things were done differently back then crap because some bands are still doing things better than us and that is unacceptable because we are JSU.
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
I agree on the marching, that has slipped over the past few years. They need a new drillmaster. That has been steadily slipping since Pop Duplessis retired.
They also have a lot of energy, but in the past year or two it has not translated to marching on the field, during half time show. But you see in in the stands, marching in and out of the stadium, during dance routines. But they do need to refocus on the marching, it only went down a lot recently, in the last two years or so.
As far as the Boom doesn't even sound good. That no. That let's me really know you don't know much about marching bands. The Boom is year end and year out one of the best sounding, usually more balanced marching bands out their. I don't know if you're confusing being loud with sounding good. You can't name one Boom band over the last 40 years that did not at least sound very good. Some better than others. I can't get with you on that one. They have been hurt by losing Paul Adams and Michael Magruder recently. Paul Adams was one of if not the greatest arranger in SWAC history. Magruder was one of the best in the SWAC also. Not too mention losing the drum instructor William Bethea. All that, and losing Pop Duplessis to retirement. All that in the last 5 years.
But, this is the problem with fans in general. You see the Boom every week, every show for the past 20 years and complain that you see nothing new. I've heard Southern fans make the same complaints about the Jukebox, I've heard FAMU fans do the same thing about the 100, as well as Grambling about the World Famed. That's why we use to say way back.....we much rather perform on the road. Unless you pull some outstanding stunt out of your azz, the home crowd will stare at you like nothing is going on. You go on the road and do an ordinary show and people give you a standing ovation. I still remember going to Northwestern in 2003 for the first game and watched the Boom do a show with no dance routine and those folks were talking about that show for months or USM's show, which was ordinary and them having articles about it for the next two weeks in the Hattiesburg American. It's just human nature. I remember in 1995 we went to Tallahassee and put on a pretty good show and did very well in the stands. Famu's fans acted like we were the second coming of Jesus Christ. Famu did one of their good, but typical shows and some of their fans got upset with them. Now reverse that, when they came in 1998 to Jackson for the first time in a looooonng time they did one of their typical shows and the Boom did one of theirs. JSU fans went crazy for FAMU. When the Boom did their show their show it was just typical JSU. But it's human nature. You never fully appreciate the one you're with. After so long, you only see the flaws.
Tigerpride said:
I agree on the marching, that has slipped over the past few years. They need a new drillmaster. That has been steadily slipping since Pop Duplessis retired.
They also have a lot of energy, but in the past year or two it has not translated to marching on the field, during half time show. But you see in in the stands, marching in and out of the stadium, during dance routines. But they do need to refocus on the marching, it only went down a lot recently, in the last two years or so.
As far as the Boom doesn't even sound good. That no. That let's me really know you don't know much about marching bands. The Boom is year end and year out one of the best sounding, usually more balanced marching bands out their. I don't know if you're confusing being loud with sounding good. You can't name one Boom band over the last 40 years that did not at least sound very good. Some better than others. I can't get with you on that one. They have been hurt by losing Paul Adams and Michael Magruder recently. Paul Adams was one of if not the greatest arranger in SWAC history. Magruder was one of the best in the SWAC also. Not too mention losing the drum instructor William Bethea. All that, and losing Pop Duplessis to retirement. All that in the last 5 years.
But, this is the problem with fans in general. You see the Boom every week, every show for the past 20 years and complain that you see nothing new. I've heard Southern fans make the same complaints about the Jukebox, I've heard FAMU fans do the same thing about the 100, as well as Grambling about the World Famed. That's why we use to say way back.....we much rather perform on the road. Unless you pull some outstanding stunt out of your azz, the home crowd will stare at you like nothing is going on. You go on the road and do an ordinary show and people give you a standing ovation. I still remember going to Northwestern in 2003 for the first game and watched the Boom do a show with no dance routine and those folks were talking about that show for months or USM's show, which was ordinary and them having articles about it for the next two weeks in the Hattiesburg American. It's just human nature. I remember in 1995 we went to Tallahassee and put on a pretty good show and did very well in the stands. Famu's fans acted like we were the second coming of Jesus Christ. Famu did one of their good, but typical shows and some of their fans got upset with them. Now reverse that, when they came in 1998 to Jackson for the first time in a looooonng time they did one of their typical shows and the Boom did one of theirs. JSU fans went crazy for FAMU. When the Boom did their show their show it was just typical JSU. But it's human nature. You never fully appreciate the one you're with. After so long, you only see the flaws.
CriTAUcal
Do Good; Good Follows
Re: Bell fired,Culberson resigns.Complete the sweep, remove Lewis Liddell & Jimm
Hit dogs really do holler.
I replied on the comments on whether Doc and James should leave. Some people (maybe you included) are responding like you know the ins and outs of being in a college marching band. And just base your opinion that Doc is not "that good", because of what you see during football season.
That alone lets me know you're seeing things from the eyes of a fan and not a musician. And that's fine... I guess...
Anybody who has marched at JSU (or SWAC bandheads) should know that MARCHING bands is NOT Doc's area of expertise! And like jaydog said, the ones who really made the BOOM great during football season are no longer there: Duplessis, Adams and Magruder. But people (in general) wouldn't know that, if they weren't on the inside or had a big interest.
Nonetheless and with the absense of some dynamic band directors who have been at JSU, Doc has still managed to keep a solid program! And the program KEEPS growing and continually gets honors. And that was my bottom line for those who think he should go.
Tigerpride said:
Hit dogs really do holler.
I replied on the comments on whether Doc and James should leave. Some people (maybe you included) are responding like you know the ins and outs of being in a college marching band. And just base your opinion that Doc is not "that good", because of what you see during football season.
That alone lets me know you're seeing things from the eyes of a fan and not a musician. And that's fine... I guess...
Anybody who has marched at JSU (or SWAC bandheads) should know that MARCHING bands is NOT Doc's area of expertise! And like jaydog said, the ones who really made the BOOM great during football season are no longer there: Duplessis, Adams and Magruder. But people (in general) wouldn't know that, if they weren't on the inside or had a big interest.
Nonetheless and with the absense of some dynamic band directors who have been at JSU, Doc has still managed to keep a solid program! And the program KEEPS growing and continually gets honors. And that was my bottom line for those who think he should go.
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