Your point has been noted and thank you for answering my question. I still don't understand what you mean by hold out. Open sound or no sound at all at transition points creating holes in the music :tup:,.... OK.The Best Band said:
They can also make 30 trumpets leave a game with sore lips. Lots of people don't take into account different variables at performances like distance, temperature, humidity, type of stadium, etc....That stuff DOES make a difference.s phi s said:Just because you can hear a piccolo section, doesn't mean you have a good woodwind section. It means you have a good piccolo section. In reality, only about 1/10 of the # of people in the stadium will hear the woodwinds unless the brasses and drums play at a soft enough dynamic for them to be heard. I'm not saying you don't need them....but, dayum.....at the end of the day, they are still WOODWINDS!!!! You won't hear them oustide of a small radius around the band.
12 PLAYING baritones will outPOWER 20 PLAYING t-bones. That does not necessarily mean that the song is not balanced. That word keps getting thrown around a lot, and some don't really know what balance truly is.....(Watch somebody come in and say "It's when you can hear all the parts....." :smh
Man I could go on for days.....But what's the point? It is what it is.....
:tup: Thanks. The point is that some of us need to know these things. Let me ask you,...in terms of "hearing all the parts",...would you agree that the average SWAC Band is not instrumentally balanced? Would you agree that certain sections have to adjust their volume so that those trumpets won't end the day with sore lips trying to match the volume of other over powering sections. Is this not a way to establish balance?s phi s said:Just because you can hear a piccolo section, doesn't mean you have a good woodwind section. It means you have a good piccolo section. In reality, only about 1/10 of the # of people in the stadium will hear the woodwinds unless the brasses and drums play at a soft enough dynamic for them to be heard. I'm not saying you don't need them....but, dayum.....at the end of the day, they are still WOODWINDS!!!! You won't hear them oustide of a small radius around the band.
12 PLAYING baritones will outPOWER 20 PLAYING t-bones. That does not necessarily mean that the song is not balanced. That word keps getting thrown around a lot, and some don't really know what balance truly is.....(Watch somebody come in and say "It's when you can hear all the parts....." :smh
Man I could go on for days.....But what's the point? It is what it is.....
I Would whole-heartedly aggree that the average SWAC band is not instrumentally balanced but I know that the bands can do some things to help it though. I know that some bands have to work with what they've got(we all can't be like FAMU) and can only hope to recruit what they need. After that they can come as close to having a balanced sound as possible by not over blowing, controlling intonation (this will make the overtone series take over and make the band sound bigger and fuller!! The trumpets won't leave the stadium with busted chops because they won't have to scream, you will have that sound anyway), and playing with in the ranges of the instruments. These ingredients WILL yeild a good blend and will make the band sound as balanced as possible!!!! Why do you think those Military bands sound so good???? They sound so good because one section or one person in that section isn't being selfish and trying to blow the bell off the horn. They don't have INDIVIDUALS STICKING OUT!!! They always sound bigger than what they appear and they USE THEIR DYNAMICS to their advantage to give contrast to what they are playing. They have good intonation which makes the band sound full. And there is never a part that is fighting to be heard (woodwinds)!!!! This is how I plan to model my band program(when I get one). I hope you do the same!!!Legend35 said:
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actually, it is funny that some of these cats are on some different isht, but the truth of the matter is that gram is in it's rebuilding phase and they are searching for a new identity that is really thier old identity....what i mean and no direspect to gram, but when you have to rebuild a band that has fallen off a little bit, the old cats are gone with the tradition and the new cats don't know the tradition to revive it, so all that is saying is that oldheads need to go back and give back and i am not talking about (wood,neck,thunder and lightning) i am talking about love tradition and hard work, because these new fangled youngsters don't know what hard work is because they don't take their skills to the limit they(not all of them) are lazy....... :lecture:SUtrp96 said:
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GRAM, i don't for one minute think we are hating, we are actually trying to help ya'll(from the outside looking in)......2003 GRAM band was a great year for ya'll, i just knew that ya'll would continue that upswing and really come out of the gates swinging this year, butttttttttt, that monster that we call complacency has attacked ya'll and if ya'll don't fight it ya'll will be looked at as a garbage band in the very near future...each year the way you perform is going to be your recruitment tool, if ya'll keep operating thinking that ya'll are cold instead of being cold, ya'll will see ya'll band get smaller and smaller, while other bands are getting bigger and bigger...the days of the the Welch's commercials are over(this is when Gram was a force to deal with) when my homeboy Steve Bryant(i think ya'll called him mad dog) was down there acting a fool....Gram used to make people shake, now ya'll are just a band on the other side of the field(but still no disrespect)......ya'll are just down right now but ya'll are not out, pick ya'll self up and come on back with it....SUtrp96 said:
That's how you suck the truth up..... Let me stop talking to you dude...you truely have not a clue...You was apart of a garbage arse band...You marched in it, you from the country you won't admit it....Though the fokl from New Orleans that marched in that same band as you ALL have a different story....A story that is very accurate with EVERYONE else was hearing while you were on the inside....98LastRip said:
Sometimes your comments really impress me. Now,...we are talking on the real. First of all if there are problems ,do you thinkSUtrp96 said:
Dang lilC,....why you had to chop him up like that? :lol:lilC said:Originally Posted by The Best Band
first think ill do is:
1 There are a couple of serious arrangers that have replied to you and you haven't noticed that you still haven't made a point.
2.Your ears are morons, then, you no in most swac bands the wood winds can not be heardAgain, a moron. They can, to an extent. Does this make them outstanding? Nope..
3.Please elaborate. Are you talking about block, cluster, tertian, Mm7, M7, any M7/b9's? 11's?
4.You COULDN'T consider the BOOM over PV or SU, or GSU, then. For a long time, some of their arrangements have wide open sections.
5.Your ears are morons. I repeat this, because you can't get a CD quality sound of a present "real-life" performance. A CD sound is in a VACUUM. You're crazy. You might mean well, but you're crazy.
I know this my sound stupid or what notI'll take stupid and whatnot for $100 Jimbo, but we all have our own methods, so dont put my method down.....
I'm putting your "method" down because it isn't a method at all. It's merely a judgement based on an unrealistic criteria.
I disagree with your comment when you talk about people from the 90's shouldn't talk smack but I can remember some years in the 90's where we gave su and other bands a hard way to go. I dont think you know what's really going on here. There are just some things that are beyond the control of a human being. For instance, I'm sure most people on this page did not want Bush in office but it happend anyway. So, what do you do??? You keep living and surviving day by day the best way you can even though the state of the union isn't good. Understand?SUtrp96 said:
