APR changes make things more tough for Tigers


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The NCAA Board of Directors approved sweeping changes today that will no doubt alter the college football landscape.

For Jackson State, a school already under intense pressure to improve its APR scores in football, one change stands out: The APR benchmark has moved from 900 to 930. That change, approved over the summer, will take affect in 2014-15 school year.

“In 2014-15, teams that don’t achieve the 930 benchmark for their four-year APR or at least a 940 average for the most recent two years will be ineligible for postseason competition,â€￾ the NCAA said in a statement today.

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/jsu/2011/10/27/apr-changes-make-things-more-tough-for-tigers/
 
DI Board adopts improvements in academic standards and student-athlete support

Academic changes

Earlier this year, the Board had voted to set the minimum academic standard for post-season participation as a 930 Academic Progress Rate (APR). The 930 APR predicts roughly a 50 percent Graduation Success Rate (GSR).

The new post-season eligibility structure will take effect in the 2012-13 academic year, with a two-year implementation window before the benchmark moves from 900 to 930. For access to post-season competition in 2012-13 and 2013-14, teams must achieve a 900 multi-year APR or a 930 average over the most recent two years to be eligible.

In 2014-15, teams that don’t achieve the 930 benchmark for their four-year APR or at least a 940 average for the most recent two years will be ineligible for post-season competition.

In 2015-16, the 930 benchmark for post-season competition participation – and additional penalties – will be implemented fully. The APR requirement for post-season competition participation would be waived only in extraordinary circumstances.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/october/di+board+of+directors+adopt+changes+to+academic+and+student-athlete+welfare
 



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The NCAA board approved “special allowances for historically black colleges and universities and low-resource schools and supported the creation of an HBCU advisory group to study academic performance of student-athletes at those institutions.” It’s unclear what special allowances were given to these schools.



Does anyone know where to find that info? The first time it was ever mentioned when the APR talks began, it was not clear. Anyone know from the coaches?
 
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Special allowances? Wow, why don't they just set us up in our own division. Call us NCAA Division
 
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Blacknbengal said:
The NCAA Board of Directors approved sweeping changes today that will no doubt alter the college football landscape.

For Jackson State, a school already under intense pressure to improve its APR scores in football, one change stands out: The APR benchmark has moved from 900 to 930. That change, approved over the summer, will take affect in 2014-15 school year.

“In 2014-15, teams that don’t achieve the 930 benchmark for their four-year APR or at least a 940 average for the most recent two years will be ineligible for postseason competition,” the NCAA said in a statement today.

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/jsu/2011/10/27/apr-changes-make-things-more-tough-for-tigers/
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Bruh, remember I posted a thread about them considering this a few month ago. It is about to be hard on the yards for all of us. That's why I keep telling anyone who will listen that us HBCUs will have to recruit like the service academies and then coach up these players who may not be bigger, faster and stronger than so called gold teeth players we all used to get when they got over looked by the bigger schools. Now we can't touch them either.
 
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99 to me, your opinions sound like Clarence Thomas, reminiscent
Of the black overseer that’s ready to bash the head of
Any black person who dares to try to lift their head above the degradation
Of society, but @ the same time blames that person for not excelling, all the while promoting that we become satisfied with the status quo, never taking into account, the
Real obstacles place before black people from the start, in this country, mixed with a false sense of somehow you’ve made it, and others should easily make it also

In other words I think your opinions are stupid, on most every issue discussed on tspn.
 
JR said:
Bruh, remember I posted a thread about them considering this a few month ago. It is about to be hard on the yards for all of us. That's why I keep telling anyone who will listen that us HBCUs will have to recruit like the service academies and then coach up these players who may not be bigger, faster and stronger than so called gold teeth players we all used to get when they got over looked by the bigger schools. Now we can't touch them either.
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Not really. HBCUs don't get as many partial qualifiers and prop 48s as we used to thanks to the rise of JUCOs and post-secondary schools like Hargrave. Kids that used to come to us now have other ways to get to the big boys. I'd venture to say that 90% of the players that make it to HBCU campuses are eligible upon arrival. You should be able to keep a kid like that in school and eligible with the right academic support. JSU when i was a student offered great support services to the general student body. I'm sure our athletes have access to tutors, etc. Its a matter of the guys in charge doing their job.
 
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Tony said:
99 to me, your opinions sound like Clarence Thomas, reminiscent
Of the black overseer that’s ready to bash the head of
Any black person who dares to try to lift their head above the degradation
Of society, but @ the same time blames that person for not excelling, all the while promoting that we become satisfied with the status quo, never taking into account, the
Real obstacles place before black people from the start, in this country, mixed with a false sense of somehow you’ve made it, and others should easily make it also
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Even after totally ignoring your last comment, I'm still not sure what you're getting at. This is not an affirmative action dissue. This is not about an individual trying to make it and needing a hand up. And this is not about the special historic missions of HBCUs. This about the NCAA setting a standard by which ALL universities must abide by. We operate under the same guidelines as the rest of the NCAA. The NCAA already gives allowances for schools with lower general student body grad rates. Are you telling me that an athlete at JSU, a nationally ranked institute, should get special allowances?
 
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BTW, I think you might be the first person to ever describe my opinions as "Clarence Thomas, reminiscent". Obviously you don't spend much time on the roundtable.
 
JR said:
Bruh, remember I posted a thread about them considering this a few month ago. It is about to be hard on the yards for all of us. That's why I keep telling anyone who will listen that us HBCUs will have to recruit like the service academies and then coach up these players who may not be bigger, faster and stronger than so called gold teeth players we all used to get when they got over looked by the bigger schools. Now we can't touch them either.
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Yep. We talked about this.
 
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JSU/99 said:
BTW, I think you might be the first person to ever describe my opinions as "Clarence Thomas, reminiscent". Obviously you don't spend much time on the roundtable.
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Basically, he's calling you a Republican in short.
 
JR said:
Bruh, remember I posted a thread about them considering this a few month ago. It is about to be hard on the yards for all of us. That's why I keep telling anyone who will listen that us HBCUs will have to recruit like the service academies and then coach up these players who may not be bigger, faster and stronger than so called gold teeth players we all used to get when they got over looked by the bigger schools. Now we can't touch them either.
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JR, did the article mention the exceptions? If so, can you explain the exceptions that they are proposing for "HBCUs and low-resource schools? If most of us will still suffer as a result of APR, how do the exceptions help us? I am not saying we should have them or not, I just would like to see the plan mapped out so I could understand it more.
 
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This is also going to kill off some traditional Black high schools. There are some here (and other places) that are not doing a good job of preparing the students, but are living on history and current athletic success. When kids avoid those schools because their graduates dont qualify, it will have a negative impact on the school overall.

The days of the dumb jock are over for EVERYONE. You may be able to take a few of them, but your team wont be stacked with them. And this will actually cause some athletes to fall to us, who would have been taken by lower tier FBS schools. But the programs who mess around and stack their team with them will end up cutting their own throat.
 
We cant afford to take even a few. At JSU we now offer about 50 scholarships. If just 4 out of those 50 leave the team because of academics, that equates to an apr of 920. That wont cut it under the new standards.
 
http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...matic-revisions?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Historically black colleges like Jackson State will get "special allowances," the NCAA said without expounding.

SWAC commissioner Duer Sharp said those allowances include "access to waivers."

Sharp and other black college conference officials met with NCAA president Mark Emmert recently and "voiced our concerns."

"I think they know resources are a key factor in making progress in the APR, and that's something a lot of SWAC schools don't have," Sharp said. "I think the biggest thing is you have to show improvement. As long as you're making improvement, I think the NCAA will work with those institutions."

Sharp said he's telling his schools to reach for a multi-year APR of 950 "because I know it will eventually go up to 940."
 



I read in the newspaper a few days ago the revenue from athletics of the three top educational institutionals which range from $843 to $423 million dollars. I am also aware that our prison system need inmates to work in their shops to produce products for sale. If there are no great athletes or prisoners to produce a great program or a product, you would lose the business. If we had to develop a business model, we must be able to detemine if there is a need for the business and can we make a profit. If a school want to continue to make $843 millions it must have a good athletes to have a top program. My point is when I look at most things I try to determine if someone is trying to make a dollar or just having fun. The NCAA is a big business with its CEO as a major college president. Therefore, the business models that are being developed will benefit the major schools. But they dish out a few crumbs so schools at the lower end cannot complain too much, if any. I know there are various schools of thoughts surrounding athletics, but I never forget these folks represent educational institutionals and HBCUs will always be at a disadvantage on all issues. In the past and even today our HBCUs attempt to put education first, but the will to win has changed our education mission, and we must be careful who we place in charge of our student athletes.
 
This is something U.S. Department of Education Secretary Arne Duncan has been pushing for. He's been wanting to hold these programs accountable for below average academic performance. There is a story out now about the defending national champion UConn Huskies would not qualify for the 2013 NCAA tournament under the new APR mandates.
 
kendrick said:
This is something U.S. Department of Education Secretary Arne Duncan has been pushing for. He's been wanting to hold these programs accountable for below average academic performance. There is a story out now about the defending national champion UConn Huskies would not qualify for the 2013 NCAA tournament under the new APR mandates.
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If a big name school is hurt by the new APR, I am sure a waiver or a discussion will be held to try get them included.
 
MightyDog said:
If a big name school is hurt by the new APR, I am sure a waiver or a discussion will be held to try get them included.
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I saw an article earlier this week or last week stating that UCONN men basketball may be banned from post season play.
 
Another NCAA change is that school can give athletes $2000 spending money, now where are ours schools going to get that money?
 
It may seem a little tough BUT why not :noidea:? It will make our football teams brighter and surely erase any bad "vibes" that the conference gets!
 
Gsu95 said:
It may seem a little tough BUT why not :noidea:? It will make our football teams brighter and surely erase any bad "vibes" that the conference gets!
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Becasue that bad vibe is not true. This is a RESOURCE issue. You act like the kids at Ohio State are smart. They just have a system in place that keeps them in school and they have enough donors to send their kids to summer school. APR is not going to make our kids any smarter. It's only going to make our programs weaker!
 
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