Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
When was the last time ASU was invited out of state? Remove that doubt.
Alabama State Vs Florida A & M
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Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
Ok, I'll be the lone dissenter here. BOOOOO!!
I like the match-up,,,,,,,, BUT IN FUGGIN' DETROIT?! :angry: GIVE ME A MO-FO BREAK. PLAY THE DAD-BLAME GAME HOME & HOME, option 1, or at least in Orlando, Birmingham, (or grudgingly, Atlanta,,
)! What the fugg is up with this Detroit crap?! THIS GAME NEEDS TO BE IN ALABAMA OR FLORIDA, NOT STANKIN' DETROIT MICHIGAN! :angry:
I like the match-up,,,,,,,, BUT IN FUGGIN' DETROIT?! :angry: GIVE ME A MO-FO BREAK. PLAY THE DAD-BLAME GAME HOME & HOME, option 1, or at least in Orlando, Birmingham, (or grudgingly, Atlanta,,
)! What the fugg is up with this Detroit crap?! THIS GAME NEEDS TO BE IN ALABAMA OR FLORIDA, NOT STANKIN' DETROIT MICHIGAN! :angry:
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
Originally posted by Bartram
I like the match-up,,,,,,,, BUT IN FUGGIN' DETROIT?! :angry: GIVE ME A MO-FO BREAK. PLAY THE DAD-BLAME GAME HOME & HOME, option 1, or at least in Orlando, Birmingham, (or grudgingly, Atlanta,,
BUSINESS/MARKETING 101
HOME & HOME: $20 TO 40K AT BEST FOR ONE SCHOOL
CLASSICS: 100k TO 250k + EXPENSES FOR EACH SCHOOL
THE GAME WAS COURTED BY 3 TO 4 DIFFERENT GROUPS. THEY WANTED THE GSU THE ICON AND FAMU. THE GAME WASN'T ECOMINICALLY ENRICHING FOR THE ICON SO THEY STEPPED ASIDE WHICH OPENED THE DOOR FOR BAMA. THESE TYPES OF GAMES IF HANDLED CORRECTLY CAN BE FINANCIAL WINFALLS FOR THE PROGRAMS. NOW THAT THE SWAC HAS INTRODUCED THE 4-3-2 CONCEPT, INTURN ALLOWING FOR 3 NON CONFERENCE GAMES IN 2003 (12 GAME SCHEDULE) AND 2 IN 2004 (11 GAME SCHEDULE) , THE CLASSICS WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS AN OFFER FROM A PROMOTER TO HAVE THE BAMA/FAMU GAME IN FLORIDA OR B-HAM SO THEY TOOK THE OFFER ON THE TABLE.
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
BUSINESS/MARKETING 101
HOME & HOME: $20 TO 40K AT BEST FOR ONE SCHOOL
CLASSICS: 100k TO 250k + EXPENSES FOR EACH SCHOOL
THE GAME WAS COURTED BY 3 TO 4 DIFFERENT GROUPS. THEY WANTED THE GSU THE ICON AND FAMU. THE GAME WASN'T ECOMINICALLY ENRICHING FOR THE ICON SO THEY STEPPED ASIDE WHICH OPENED THE DOOR FOR BAMA. THESE TYPES OF GAMES IF HANDLED CORRECTLY CAN BE FINANCIAL WINFALLS FOR THE PROGRAMS. NOW THAT THE SWAC HAS INTRODUCED THE 4-3-2 CONCEPT, INTURN ALLOWING FOR 3 NON CONFERENCE GAMES IN 2003 (12 GAME SCHEDULE) AND 2 IN 2004 (11 GAME SCHEDULE) , THE CLASSICS WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS AN OFFER FROM A PROMOTER TO HAVE THE BAMA/FAMU GAME IN FLORIDA OR B-HAM SO THEY TOOK THE OFFER ON THE TABLE.
Home & Home:
Then I guess we are basically 20 years behind the times. The trend for Div I-A schools (err, PWCs) is more and more toward home & home series and to gradually get out of these contracts with the big cities in the state where they play their big games. The main reason is to divert all the money from these games into the economies of the college towns where the colleges are located. This is why HBCUs, the largest most capable 4, need to move to Div I-A. That's a continuing argument and something we will never agree on as far as this board goes.
Even beyond that, why is it that we don't see "classics" between, for example, Georgia Southern, Troy State, Middle TN, and another rival PWC? The only time Troy State plays at a neutral sight is when they play FAMU, an HBCU, in Mobile. They are considering playing UAB in Montgomery's Crampton Bowl, but that is only temporary until Troy State gets its stadium(errr, luxury box numbers) size and fan support to the point were they can draw and bring the money to Troy one year and B'ham the next.
Game Courting:
I don't know if any groups from Atlanta, Birmingham or Orlando/Tampa made a bid for the game. I would hope that some entity in those metros could. I'm very disappointed that they can't if they didn't. I think there would be a huge turnout if they played the game in Birmingham, Orlando, Atlanta, Tampa or Jacksonville. I think it would do well in Mobile also.
Regardless of the numbers and "marketing 101", i'm fundamentally against playing epic regional clashes like this completely out of their regional realms of influence that could draw so much local interest (when I went to the Troy State verses FAMU game, all I heard from the FAMU fans in the stands and the bathroom was, "now where's ASU?! we want to play ASU and show yall some REAL football/bands/fans". Also,,,, living in the area, I can tell you point-blank that there were blacks at the game that had Troy State connections and blacks that had no connections to FAMU or TSU but who came to the game JUST BECAUSE it was a black college playing.). This is simply a core belief for me and I will be against any HBCU classics played ridiculously out of their home regions, unless it is some kind of end of the season bowl/championship game.
HOME & HOME: $20 TO 40K AT BEST FOR ONE SCHOOL
CLASSICS: 100k TO 250k + EXPENSES FOR EACH SCHOOL
THE GAME WAS COURTED BY 3 TO 4 DIFFERENT GROUPS. THEY WANTED THE GSU THE ICON AND FAMU. THE GAME WASN'T ECOMINICALLY ENRICHING FOR THE ICON SO THEY STEPPED ASIDE WHICH OPENED THE DOOR FOR BAMA. THESE TYPES OF GAMES IF HANDLED CORRECTLY CAN BE FINANCIAL WINFALLS FOR THE PROGRAMS. NOW THAT THE SWAC HAS INTRODUCED THE 4-3-2 CONCEPT, INTURN ALLOWING FOR 3 NON CONFERENCE GAMES IN 2003 (12 GAME SCHEDULE) AND 2 IN 2004 (11 GAME SCHEDULE) , THE CLASSICS WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS AN OFFER FROM A PROMOTER TO HAVE THE BAMA/FAMU GAME IN FLORIDA OR B-HAM SO THEY TOOK THE OFFER ON THE TABLE.
Home & Home:
Then I guess we are basically 20 years behind the times. The trend for Div I-A schools (err, PWCs) is more and more toward home & home series and to gradually get out of these contracts with the big cities in the state where they play their big games. The main reason is to divert all the money from these games into the economies of the college towns where the colleges are located. This is why HBCUs, the largest most capable 4, need to move to Div I-A. That's a continuing argument and something we will never agree on as far as this board goes.
Even beyond that, why is it that we don't see "classics" between, for example, Georgia Southern, Troy State, Middle TN, and another rival PWC? The only time Troy State plays at a neutral sight is when they play FAMU, an HBCU, in Mobile. They are considering playing UAB in Montgomery's Crampton Bowl, but that is only temporary until Troy State gets its stadium(errr, luxury box numbers) size and fan support to the point were they can draw and bring the money to Troy one year and B'ham the next.
Game Courting:
I don't know if any groups from Atlanta, Birmingham or Orlando/Tampa made a bid for the game. I would hope that some entity in those metros could. I'm very disappointed that they can't if they didn't. I think there would be a huge turnout if they played the game in Birmingham, Orlando, Atlanta, Tampa or Jacksonville. I think it would do well in Mobile also.
Regardless of the numbers and "marketing 101", i'm fundamentally against playing epic regional clashes like this completely out of their regional realms of influence that could draw so much local interest (when I went to the Troy State verses FAMU game, all I heard from the FAMU fans in the stands and the bathroom was, "now where's ASU?! we want to play ASU and show yall some REAL football/bands/fans". Also,,,, living in the area, I can tell you point-blank that there were blacks at the game that had Troy State connections and blacks that had no connections to FAMU or TSU but who came to the game JUST BECAUSE it was a black college playing.). This is simply a core belief for me and I will be against any HBCU classics played ridiculously out of their home regions, unless it is some kind of end of the season bowl/championship game.
J C
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Detroit Game
The Game is Detroit will be a winner. ASU has a lot of alums in the Detroit area. My family and many other local alums and fans plan to attend the game. I know local Montgomerians who will travel to see the Hornets play out of town rather than attend games at the Bowl. Troy State and other mid level PWC do not have the following HBCUs have. If Troy State played UAB at the Bowl, they would be lucky to get 10 thousand fan to attend. The Game in Detroit will have a larger crowd than the proposed game in Atlanta. Go figure.
The Game is Detroit will be a winner. ASU has a lot of alums in the Detroit area. My family and many other local alums and fans plan to attend the game. I know local Montgomerians who will travel to see the Hornets play out of town rather than attend games at the Bowl. Troy State and other mid level PWC do not have the following HBCUs have. If Troy State played UAB at the Bowl, they would be lucky to get 10 thousand fan to attend. The Game in Detroit will have a larger crowd than the proposed game in Atlanta. Go figure.
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
A fundamental difference in vision.
Not with you on that my friend. So would an ASU vs AAMU game draw more fans in Detroit than in Birmingham? Absolutely not. How in the heck can a game in Detroit between these schools (FAMU and ASU) draw more than a game in Birmingham and especially Atlanta or Orlando? This game in Alabama or Florida would draw not only Alumns (and I'm guessing ASU's largest alumni chapters are in Alabama, or at least the alumni chapters in Alabama are larger than those in Detroit) but countless fans who go to games as a social outlet, to see the bands and because it's black college football.
As for mid level PWCs, i'm not so sure of your comments. I think the numbers are skewed due to the HBCU "classics" which are disproportionate to the typical every saturday attendance numbers. PWCs don't do the "classic" thing, but they channel the money and economic spinoff to the towns where the colleges are located. I'd rather see the economic windfall of these classics, first of all, in the college towns of the HBCUs, if not that, at least in a metro area within the realm of the HBCUs. I'm just fundamentally against these games being in far-flung metros when they could be closer and do just as good if not better,, if not on the campuses.
Not with you on that my friend. So would an ASU vs AAMU game draw more fans in Detroit than in Birmingham? Absolutely not. How in the heck can a game in Detroit between these schools (FAMU and ASU) draw more than a game in Birmingham and especially Atlanta or Orlando? This game in Alabama or Florida would draw not only Alumns (and I'm guessing ASU's largest alumni chapters are in Alabama, or at least the alumni chapters in Alabama are larger than those in Detroit) but countless fans who go to games as a social outlet, to see the bands and because it's black college football.
As for mid level PWCs, i'm not so sure of your comments. I think the numbers are skewed due to the HBCU "classics" which are disproportionate to the typical every saturday attendance numbers. PWCs don't do the "classic" thing, but they channel the money and economic spinoff to the towns where the colleges are located. I'd rather see the economic windfall of these classics, first of all, in the college towns of the HBCUs, if not that, at least in a metro area within the realm of the HBCUs. I'm just fundamentally against these games being in far-flung metros when they could be closer and do just as good if not better,, if not on the campuses.
The key to this game, is are the teams getting there money on the front end or the back end you guys would be surprise how many of these classics say one thing when it comes to the dough then does another like never making the final payment. Detriot has traditionally been a good place for HBCU football the old Coleman Young Classic always drew good crowds but that was 20 years ago so we will see this time. As far as home games VS classics I would take a home game almost everytime but that comes seeing the numbers for SU home games for the least attended home game 15,546 vs Txsu the take was approx 231thousand dollare that includes concession but not parking which is 3dollars a car the average ticket price is 22dollars and 9723 season tickets were sold. That why we've gotten away from travling to far away classics. I also understand SU was talk to about this game against Famu but both SU and Gram wanted guraunties about the money.
enswaclopedia
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Bsrtram; The reason you will not see Ga. So. or Troy St. in a big city classic is because their first alliance is to Georgia, Alabama and Auburn. The reason why they attend their schools games is because they can't get tickets for the games in Athens, Tuscaloosa, Auburn or Knoxville.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
Re: A fundamental difference in vision.
An ASU vs AAMU game in Detroit as opposed to Bham? :smh:
Since no promoter has stepped forward to put on an ASU/FAMU game in Orl or Atl, whether or not it'll draw more in those cities is kinda pointless to talk about, in the same way it is to talk about what city should the SCG be moved.
I do agree with the part you say about "countless fans go to games as a social outlet, to see the bands and because it's black college football". But maybe you don't agree that the folks in the Detroit area would feel the same way.
btw, since there are no HBCUs near Indianapolis, should the Circle City Classic be canceled?
An ASU vs AAMU game in Detroit as opposed to Bham? :smh:
Since no promoter has stepped forward to put on an ASU/FAMU game in Orl or Atl, whether or not it'll draw more in those cities is kinda pointless to talk about, in the same way it is to talk about what city should the SCG be moved.
I do agree with the part you say about "countless fans go to games as a social outlet, to see the bands and because it's black college football". But maybe you don't agree that the folks in the Detroit area would feel the same way.
btw, since there are no HBCUs near Indianapolis, should the Circle City Classic be canceled?
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
*NAME THE HBCU'S THAT OWNS A STADIUM THAT ACTUAL SEATS 50K,60, 70 OR 80K, HAS CONTROL OF CONCESSION AND PARKING.
*WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TO ALCORN, GRAMBLING, ITTA BENA. THESE ARE VERY SMALL TOWNS. EVEN THOUGH GRAMBLING AND ALCORN HAVE NICE SIZED STADIUMS FOR THE AREA THAT THEY ARE IN, YOU WILL NOT FIND RESTURANTS, HOTELS, CLUBS, MALLS IN THESES AREAS. EVERY SCHOOL IS NOT LOCATED IN A STATE CAPITOL OR METROPLOTIAN AREA....YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
*DIV 1A HAS BOWL GAMES/SIMILAR TO CLASSICS. MOST ONLY HAVE 1 A YEAR. THE ICON WAS IN 6 CLASSICS IN 1 YEAR
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YOU GUYS ARE THINKING SMALLTIME.
Shelt a 'Skegee Grad
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As a resident of Detroit I can tell you that I am looking forward to this game. There are many HBCU alums up here who don't get a chance to see BCF live. We have to travel hundreds of miles to do so. Plus this game is on Labor Day Weekend, and will be played at the brand new Ford field downtown where on that weekend there will be lots going on.
If you like to gamble, bring your money. There are 4 casinos in the immediate area (3 in Detroit, 1 across the river in Canada). I will be going to the game, and then staying downtown to enjoy the jazz festival.
If you like to gamble, bring your money. There are 4 casinos in the immediate area (3 in Detroit, 1 across the river in Canada). I will be going to the game, and then staying downtown to enjoy the jazz festival.
Bartram
Brand HBCUbian
Machavelie,,,,, you are too far gone
*NAME THE HBCU'S THAT OWNS A STADIUM THAT ACTUAL SEATS 50K,60, 70 OR 80K, HAS CONTROL OF CONCESSION AND PARKING.
*WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TO ALCORN, GRAMBLING, ITTA BENA. THESE ARE VERY SMALL TOWNS. EVEN THOUGH GRAMBLING AND ALCORN HAVE NICE SIZED STADIUMS FOR THE AREA THAT THEY ARE IN, YOU WILL NOT FIND RESTURANTS, HOTELS, CLUBS, MALLS IN THESES AREAS. EVERY SCHOOL IS NOT LOCATED IN A STATE CAPITOL OR METROPLOTIAN AREA....YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
*DIV 1A HAS BOWL GAMES/SIMILAR TO CLASSICS. MOST ONLY HAVE 1 A YEAR. THE ICON WAS IN 6 CLASSICS IN 1 YEAR
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Precisely the reason I'm advocating for this is because HBCUs don't have this and need it! :smh: we need at least 30-50K stadiums of our own (at the largest HBCUs of coarse)!
I'm very familiar with the grambling/itta bina/alcorn town situations; I WENT TO FREAKING TUSKEGEE!!!! I blame the state of those cities on the stupid-arse, lazy, rest on their lorals, LEACH OFF THE COLLEGE city leadership in these town! That goes for Tuskegee! but still,,, I say they need to get their act together and we should be building towards home games,,,, BUT AS USUAL, YOU DON'T ADDRESS MY OTHER POINT, you only zero in on the small college towns. I also said, AT LEAST HAVE THE FREAKING "CLASSICS" IF YOU MUST HAVE THEM, IN LARGE METROS CLOSER TO THE REGIONS WHERE THE HBCUS ARE! You telling me we can't find a stadium in Nashville/Memphis/Atlanta/Birmingham/Orlando/Tampa/Jacksonville/Mobile/N.O./Jackson that could accomodate an ASU-FAMU classic?
*NAME THE HBCU'S THAT OWNS A STADIUM THAT ACTUAL SEATS 50K,60, 70 OR 80K, HAS CONTROL OF CONCESSION AND PARKING.
*WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TO ALCORN, GRAMBLING, ITTA BENA. THESE ARE VERY SMALL TOWNS. EVEN THOUGH GRAMBLING AND ALCORN HAVE NICE SIZED STADIUMS FOR THE AREA THAT THEY ARE IN, YOU WILL NOT FIND RESTURANTS, HOTELS, CLUBS, MALLS IN THESES AREAS. EVERY SCHOOL IS NOT LOCATED IN A STATE CAPITOL OR METROPLOTIAN AREA....YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT.
*DIV 1A HAS BOWL GAMES/SIMILAR TO CLASSICS. MOST ONLY HAVE 1 A YEAR. THE ICON WAS IN 6 CLASSICS IN 1 YEAR
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Precisely the reason I'm advocating for this is because HBCUs don't have this and need it! :smh: we need at least 30-50K stadiums of our own (at the largest HBCUs of coarse)!
I'm very familiar with the grambling/itta bina/alcorn town situations; I WENT TO FREAKING TUSKEGEE!!!! I blame the state of those cities on the stupid-arse, lazy, rest on their lorals, LEACH OFF THE COLLEGE city leadership in these town! That goes for Tuskegee! but still,,, I say they need to get their act together and we should be building towards home games,,,, BUT AS USUAL, YOU DON'T ADDRESS MY OTHER POINT, you only zero in on the small college towns. I also said, AT LEAST HAVE THE FREAKING "CLASSICS" IF YOU MUST HAVE THEM, IN LARGE METROS CLOSER TO THE REGIONS WHERE THE HBCUS ARE! You telling me we can't find a stadium in Nashville/Memphis/Atlanta/Birmingham/Orlando/Tampa/Jacksonville/Mobile/N.O./Jackson that could accomodate an ASU-FAMU classic?
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
precisely!
Thank you very much for that post Shelt. :nod:
bluphiiijsu
Creative Director
Who knows..the game may do well. I mean look at the JSU vs Howard game in Chicago. I am not sure about HU but JSU has a large alumni base in the state of IL. It easily drew 45-50K fans so it just depends. Some fans go to those BIG aways games simply b/c it is a big road trip, never been to that particular city and then you have a lot of people coming to the games because it is not often they see black colleges play. So maybe the game will draw maybe it will not; however, I think it will do well in Detroit.
I think some times you guys think out of the box, why not have the game in Detroit? If nothing else, it's exposure to HBCU's in an area that has one of the largest black populations in this country.
Trust me, a lot of research went into the selection process, and certain schools were targeted because of alumni in the area, and ASU was one of those schools targeted, if I'm not mistaken ASU has two alumni chapters in Detroit, so it's by no accident that they're playing.
NICE
Trust me, a lot of research went into the selection process, and certain schools were targeted because of alumni in the area, and ASU was one of those schools targeted, if I'm not mistaken ASU has two alumni chapters in Detroit, so it's by no accident that they're playing.
NICE
MACHIAVELLI
Chairman/C.E.O.
WHY...THAT IS WHAT HOME GAMES ARE FOR. MOST SCHOOLS HAVE AT LEAST 3 HOME GAMES A YEAR AND ONE IN A BIGGER CITY AS WELL WITH A RIVAL. THE ACCOMMODATION OF THEGAME IS NOT THE ISSUE, THE OPPORTUNITY IS. IN 2003 SOME PEOPLE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A GAME IN DETROIT. THEY TOOK THE STEPS TO PUT IT INTO ACTION. EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T GET THE INITAL TEAMS THEY INVITED, THEY OBVIOULSY HAD A LIST OF TEAMS TO CHOOSE FROM. I DIDN'T HEAR OF THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITIES THAT YOU MENTIONED.
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such smalltime thinking :smh:
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
It was a joke because they did not want to pay JSU like we deserved to be payed. I guess 20K less fans is not worth paying the nations attendance leader to bring you.
Shelt a 'Skegee Grad
New Member
I seem to remember a classic up here when I first got here ('95). I don't remember who played but it didn't do very well. I do remember that there was no advertisement whatsoever. Whoever is doing this game better make sure that the word get's out. Luckily the people going to the game (I daresay most of whom live in the City of Detroit) won't have to go WAY the L OUT TO PONTIAC where the Silver Dome is. We can go right downtown. That may have been a factor in the non success of that game back in the mid nineties as well.
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