FL School Shooting

[JayRob]

But there have been 18 school shootings within the first 45 days of the year. It’s commonplace now.

And there are how many schools and students in the country? Schools are still some of the safest places for children when one looks at the totality of the numbers versus them being at home or in the streets.
And it's usually folks who aren't supposed to have the guns who have them. They're called criminals for a reason.
Now if trained safety officers with guns were on the scene, especially in a school of 3000 students, and with proper training, perhaps they could've save a few lives. But again, it's virtually impossible to stop ALL school shootings.

 

[JayRob]

Tell the families who have lost children and loved ones to school massacres that.

I would also tell that to the millions of students who make it home safely every day from school.
Now since you want to chime in, post one full-proof preventative measure where there can be a one hundred percent chance of zero school shootings in this country.

 

[Tiger1]

 

[Herbert77060]

I would also tell that to the millions of students who make it home safely every day from school.
Now since you want to chime in, post one full-proof preventative measure where there can be a one hundred percent chance of zero school shootings in this country.

I never said there was one fool proof measure. As a matter of fact I intentionally did not address it. I addressed the portion of your statement I wanted to address. In my opinion your statement down plays the tragedy pointing out a damn percentage.

 

[TSU/BAMA]

Cars kill more people than guns. Should we ban all cars and motorcycles? Just asking.

(shaking my head) Lord have mercy.

 

[Tiger1]

 

[major095]

I never said there was one fool proof measure. As a matter of fact I intentionally did not address it. I addressed the portion of your statement I wanted to address. In my opinion your statement down plays the tragedy pointing out a damn percentage.

He's saying that since it doesn't prevent everything we shouldn't do anything. You know...just like we don't have any laws because people break them every day.

 

[MetroPhillyTiger]

Guns vs weapons of mass casualties. Some weapons are too dangerous for the general public. You wouldn't let an 18 YO with a basic driver's license drive an 18-wheeler...with hazardous materials...

 

[JayRob]

You folks who don't want to carry for protection, don't, but don't tread on my rights when I have other loved ones I want to protect.
I've known several folks who would have been killed or robbed had they not merely brandished a weapon. That alone by itself sometimes serves as a threat to the criminal to go to someone else's house who don't have a gun.

 

[JayRob]

He's saying that since it doesn't prevent everything we shouldn't do anything. You know...just like we don't have any laws because people break them every day.

That's a ball-faced lie. There are dozens and dozens of gun laws already on the books, but the criminals don't give a damn about those laws. They keep robbing and criminalizing. It's the law-abiding citizens who are being limited in how they can protect themselves.

 

[JayRob]

I never said there was one fool proof measure. As a matter of fact I intentionally did not address it. I addressed the portion of your statement I wanted to address. In my opinion your statement down plays the tragedy pointing out a damn percentage.

In your mind, it might seem that I downplayed it. In my mind, it's a tragedy that it happened, nevertheless based on the total numbers, schools are still some of the safest places for children.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

And it's usually folks who aren't supposed to have the guns who have them. They're called criminals for a reason.

The guy who shot all those kids in Florida bought his guns legally after passing a background check. He wasn’t a criminal

 

[Rated R Superstar]

You folks who don't want to carry for protection, don't, but don't tread on my rights when I have other loved ones I want to protect.
I've known several folks who would have been killed or robbed had they not merely brandished a weapon. That alone by itself sometimes serves as a threat to the criminal to go to someone else's house who don't have a gun.

What about the rights of kids who should be able to go school, church, any public place without fear of being gunned down?

 

[JayRob]

What about the rights of kids who should be able to go school, church, any public place without fear of being gunned down?

Tell that to the criminals with guns. Law-abiding citizens only use them as tools of protection. Please don't lump lawful citizens with criminals.

 

[JayRob]

The guy who shot all those kids in Florida bought his guns legally after passing a background check. He wasn’t a criminal

Does that mean that I or anyone else who's a law-abiding citizen shouldn't carry guns for protection all because of the less than one percent nutcases?
Should the millions of folks who use guns legally be stripped of their right to carry guns for protection of their loved ones simply because the less than one percent minority refuse too? I think not.
Had there been safety officers around with guns, who knows how many lives could've been saved? Fact of the matter is, the shooter shouldn't even be breathing right now.

 

[number1]

Guys like Cruz are pretty much doomed because they fit outside the mold of normal. Rather than get sympathy they are usually made fun of and ignored which only amplifies their personal problems. Generally these people are ill equipped to "just change" as if changing one's personality is so easy to accomplish which it isn't. Red flags should be reported to authorities! If you see something usual, say something.

Yeap, just look at the Grandmother that's in the news for turning in her grandson after coming across some writings of his that detailed his plans to shoot up his high school. Instead of looking the other way and trying to protect her grandson, she did the right thing by contacting the police. They ended up finding a hidden gun in his room that was used in a store robbery that he also documented in his journal. It probably felt horrible to turn him in, but it would have been 1000 times worse to keep quiet and deal with the aftermath of him murdering his peers knowing she could have done something about it. 9 times out of 10, these school shooters have told someone and kept documentation of their plans, especially when it's a current or former student because they are looking for attention.

 

[Tiger1]

 

[major095]

That's a ball-faced lie. There are dozens and dozens of gun laws already on the books, but the criminals don't give a damn about those laws. They keep robbing and criminalizing. It's the law-abiding citizens who are being limited in how they can protect themselves.

Law-abiding citizens here in SC are sooo responsible with their weapons that the state is known as the "Iron Pipeline" b/c of all the firearms registered in SC & other southern states (with loose gun laws) that end up at crime scenes in NY, Detroit, and Chicago. Google it. Law-abiding citizens are the ones who are providing the guns for inner city youth to kill themselves, b/c leaving your gun in your car with your car unlock, as it turns out, isn't so responsible. Leaving a gun in your barn with meth addicts in the neighborhood is simply a good way to get your gun stolen. Law abiding citizens by and large aren't being responsible with the weapons they posses. We know criminals aren't by from stores or gun shows. They are buying stolen guns. Guns stolen from people who didn't take enough care in many cases.
In this case though, this kid bought his gun legally. A 19 kid with problems and an AR-15. Gee, I wonder what went wrong.

 

[GRAM4LIFE]

Cars kill more people than guns. Should we ban all cars and motorcycles? Just asking.

Nope but cars are made safer every year. That’s what smart people do. Evolve. And, I’m not for banning guns.

 

[GRAM4LIFE]

When one looks at the total number of school shootings, versus the number of schools and students who attend schools, the number of school shootings is less than one percent.
It's unfortunate that any school shootings occur, but it's impossible to stop school shootings totally.

Using your logic no cure for any disease that only impacts a negligible percentage of the population would be researched because it is impossible to stop diseases.

 

[In_The_662]

Guns vs weapons of mass casualties. Some weapons are too dangerous for the general public. You wouldn't let an 18 YO with a basic driver's license drive an 18-wheeler...with hazardous materials...

AR-15s should not be sold to the public plain and simple. You can thank gun nuts (NRA) for this.

And you are dead on with the truck driver analogy. You have to be 21 to get your CDL.

 

[Tiger1]

This guy gets it...

 

[The Founder]

I'm not for banning guns but I am for banning CERTAIN types of guns from public access.

I owned a SIG Sauer M400 Carbon AR-15 along with a few handguns that I donated to my mother. It was handed down to me from my father. I do not believe the public should have access to an AR-15. It is designed for one thing, to kill people. You can't hunt with it. When we go shooting we take it out in the woods on the farm and tear up trees. It's fun to shoot.

The problem is though...guns are too easy to get access to in America and the illegal market makes it much worse.

As far as Trump's statements....I ignore them. He's an idiot. How do you tell students they should have informed authorities when the kid is no longer enrolled at the school. SMH

 

[Kendrick]

After all the outrage has died down, ain’t shit gonna change. Guns are embedded in the fabric and culture of our country. There isn’t gonna be a gun ban or an assault rifle band because too many people have too much skin in the game and we feel we need them.

We’re gonna be right back here soon.

 

[Tpop33]

After all the outrage has died down, ain’t shit gonna change. Guns are embedded in the fabric and culture of our country. There isn’t gonna be a gun ban or an assault rifle band because too many people have too much skin in the game and we feel we need them.

We’re gonna be right back here soon.

An anchor woman said this same thing this morning.
She said come Tuesday or some time next week we will have moved on and gone back to Trump, Russia, and immigration. And before you know it, within a couple of months if not sooner, we'll be right back at this same conversation.