FL School Shooting


There's something else at play here. I don't think this is the falut of anyone that was at the scene, including the officer.

The real problem is the way that white violence and crime is treated by law enforcement.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/37...bout-suspected-school-shooter-in-recent-years

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...ikolas-cruz-warning-signs-20180216-story.html

These articles are about the way that law enforcement locally and FBI had ignored Cruz's behavior. My theory is that they ignored these things because he is white. Any of these calls would have had any black 18-19 in jail and already in the prison system and he would never have legal access to a weapon again. Hell, if he was black he would have been shot the first time the police were called to the house if they were aware of him owning that many guns.

I think the reason they treat these things so differently is because they want to avoid a paper trail. The cornerstone of white supremacist for every argument is the quoting of stats. It's their defense of why they say they are't racist. If these stats were ever to reflect negatively on whites the entire false cover of white supremacist would dry up.

So to keep things the way they like, they purposely cover up and not follow through on white crime. If they treated crime the same as black the stats would reflect that blacks aren't committing the majority of crimes. Black crime is usually concentrated in dense poor urban areas and is gang and drug related. Outside of that black people aren't committing many crimes and we sure as hell aren't gunning down school children in mass.

The issue isn't them ignoring Nick Cruz, the real question is how many Nick Cruz's are they ignoring so they can keep cooking the statistics books?
 
CEE DOG said:
Can we really blame the deputy sheriff for not going in? He was out gunned. He could have shot of a round, but what if that would have hit one of those kids? The man is human and was scared. I can see if he had another officer with him for back up, but by himself and he is 56. Different story.....
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Herbert77060 said:
Nahhh Cee, he should have done something. He is a first responder. In the immortal words of 45..."he knew what he signed up for".
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In an active shooter situation, there is no "wait for backup". As crass as it sounds, Herb is right. "You know what you signed up for." I spent 4 years as a school resource officer, and I can't fathom standing there waiting while an active shooter is occurring. You form rapport and bond with your students and to think that they are being killed while you wait is unfathomable to me. Yet another reason why SRO's should be thoroughly screened. Too many SRO's working these as "retirement jobs" after they have already served many years on the streets, just for the Monday through Friday, weekend, holidays, and summers.
 



s phi s said:
In an active shooter situation, there is no "wait for backup". As crass as it sounds, Herb is right. "You know what you signed up for." I spent 4 years as a school resource officer, and I can't fathom standing there waiting while an active shooter is occurring. You form rapport and bond with your students and to think that they are being killed while you wait is unfathomable to me. Yet another reason why SRO's should be thoroughly screened. Too many SRO's working these as "retirement jobs" after they have already served many years on the streets, just for the Monday through Friday, weekend, holidays, and summers.
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What's crazy is that of his 30+ years as an officer, he had like 27 years as a school resource officer.
 
s phi s said:
In an active shooter situation, there is no "wait for backup". As crass as it sounds, Herb is right. "You know what you signed up for." I spent 4 years as a school resource officer, and I can't fathom standing there waiting while an active shooter is occurring. You form rapport and bond with your students and to think that they are being killed while you wait is unfathomable to me. Yet another reason why SRO's should be thoroughly screened. Too many SRO's working these as "retirement jobs" after they have already served many years on the streets, just for the Monday through Friday, weekend, holidays, and summers.
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I did not mean to sound insensitive (unlike *rump) but he should have been proactive instead of hiding. I am not saying he should have jumped in front of the gunman but you had administrators and students who did more than he did and they were unarmed. If you don't want to do the job don't take the job.

Like those reserved armed forces people called to active duty then snotting all on TV because you have to report. You were not crying/hiding when you picked up that check every week.
 
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Ok, so here we go again, some little white kids die, and now things gotta change. Raise the age of those buying guns, give the teachers guns, put more SROs with a gun in the school, ban the AR15,
I can say I'm happy that it's white against white. Not saying that we don't have a fight in this, but as it's been stated, our kids are not shooting up schools. When will these people realize that, none of what they are proposing will solve the issue.
It's not the weapon, it's not the age of the shooter, it's not mental health entirely, it's that white privilege and entitlement instilled by the parents.
Oh and good way to help stop this would be to fine and lock up the parents or guardians.
 
Tpop33 said:
Ok, so here we go again, some little white kids die, and now things gotta change. Raise the age of those buying guns, give the teachers guns, put more SROs with a gun in the school, ban the AR15,
I can say I'm happy that it's white against white. Not saying that we don't have a fight in this, but as it's been stated, our kids are not shooting up schools. When will these people realize that, none of what they are proposing will solve the issue.
It's not the weapon, it's not the age of the shooter, it's not mental health entirely, it's that white privilege and entitlement instilled by the parents.
Oh and good way to help stop this would be to fine and lock up the parents or guardians.
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It’s the proliferation of guns in our culture.
 
Herbert77060 said:
I did not mean to sound insensitive (unlike *rump) but he should have been proactive instead of hiding. I am not saying he should have jumped in front of the gunman but you had administrators and students who did more than he did and they were unarmed. If you don't want to do the job don't take the job.

Like those reserved armed forces people called to active duty then snorting all on TV because you have to report. You were not crying/hiding when you picked up that check every week.
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Nothing insensitive about it. I can't think of a single active shooter training that has you waiting on the outside while there is killing going on inside. To me, this ain't white and black, like so many people are trying to turn it into. I completely agree that if you are not willing to do what comes with the job, you shouldn't have the job. And that just may mean confronting an active shooter by yourself.
 
Personally I don't feel sorry because white Americans still think blacks are the problem. All the comments sections are still focused on Chicago and Baltimore. So they are getting karma. We've got our own problems to worry about in the black community.
 
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s phi s said:
Nothing insensitive about it. I can't think of a single active shooter training that has you waiting on the outside while there is killing going on inside. To me, this ain't white and black, like so many people are trying to turn it into. I completely agree that if you are not willing to do what comes with the job, you shouldn't have the job. And that just may mean confronting an active shooter by yourself.
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Oh this is a black and white thing. If that same officer got a call about an unarmed black student causing trouble, he would've went in there with his already drawn or at the least ready to shoot if he had to.
 
SleepyCrat said:
Oh this is a black and white thing. If that same officer got a call about an unarmed black student causing trouble, he would've went in there with his already drawn or at the least ready to shoot if he had to.
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You could be right but I think this guy was just trying to collect a check. He was in what he considered a safe environment. Thought all he had to do was show up and look important.
 
Herbert77060 said:
Nahhh Cee, he should have done something. He is a first responder. In the immortal words of 45..."he knew what he signed up for".
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I agree, say a prayer and go in there relying on your training. Not saying get in a face to face gunfight... AR-15 vs. a 9mm or whatever he had, not even close to a fair chance but with all the chaos, at least get behind something and when you get a clear shot, try to drop him. He should know the layout of the school, take the stairs to get a shot from above or behind the guy...something.
 
CEE DOG said:
Can we really blame the deputy sheriff for not going in? He was out gunned. He could have shot of a round, but what if that would have hit one of those kids? The man is human and was scared. I can see if he had another officer with him for back up, but by himself and he is 56. Different story.....
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Only problem with that is 3 unarmed teachers laid down their lives while he hid outside with his gun.

So this is what I'd like to see happen. Now if this is realistic... who knows.
1. Treat semi auto rifles like auto rifles. Must jump through all the same hoops.
2. Psychological screening on all gun purchases, to make sure you're not "crazy." No need to wait until you're having problems and then we want to baker act you. If you're crazy we can find that out first.
3. Armed SRO at schools (isn't this already the case? it is in my district...but we had a shooting last year. townville)
4. Allow CDC to study gun violence (my colleague says they already can, but that's not what I hear the media say. I need to google that.)
5. Remove protections that stop gun manufacturers from being sued.
6. Municipalities & government agencies that confiscate guns must destroy them (some states currently prohibit the destruction of guns.)
7. National gun purchase program to buy guns from the population no questions asked.

I think that's pretty reasonable.
 
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major095 said:
Only problem with that is 3 unarmed teachers laid down their lives while he hid outside with his gun.

So this is what I'd like to see happen. Now if this is realistic... who knows.
1. Treat semi auto rifles like auto rifles. Must jump through all the same hoops.
2. Psychological screening on all gun purchases, to make sure you're not "crazy." No need to wait until you're having problems and then we want to baker act you. If you're crazy we can find that out first.
3. Armed SRO at schools (isn't this already the case? it is in my district...but we had a shooting last year. townville)
4. Allow CDC to study gun violence (my colleague says they already can, but that's not what I hear the media say. I need to google that.)
5. Remove protections that stop gun manufacturers from being sued.
6. Municipalities & government agencies that confiscate guns must destroy them (some states currently prohibit the destruction of guns.)
7. National gun purchase program to buy guns from the population no questions asked.

I think that's pretty reasonable.
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Specifically referencing what I put in bold....It sounds GREAT in theory. But THAT will not stop THIS...
 



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