Lavar pulling LiAngelo from UCLA





I just ask one simple question. What is the goal for any of us? To maximize our personal potential in whatever we deem important to us? Are the Balls not doing that? Is college the only way to do that? As much as we sit in stands, on sidelines, within our work environments and hate how things are done, why are we bothered by a man who has created the means to say I ain’t down for any of this I’m making my own way? More power to you Ball. Screw the system.
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
I just ask one simple question. What is the goal for any of us? To maximize our personal potential in whatever we deem important to us? Are the Balls not doing that? Is college the only way to do that? As much as we sit in stands, on sidelines, within our work environments and hate how things are done, why are we bothered by a man who has created the means to say I ain’t down for any of this I’m making my own way? More power to you Ball. Screw the system.
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They (black and especially white people) want him to be humble and do things a certain way. He has gotten millions of dollars worth of free advertising off being brash and has got everyone from Michael Jordan to the So Called President of the United States to respond to him. He's taking the shrapnel from the public while raising his sons (in the public eye) the way he seems fit. Everyone seems to look over that he (for the most part) has raised his sons right (in most people's opinions) plus looking out for his sick wife (that's another part of it that causes the hate)
 
I'm not mad at what he is doing concerning his son's and families fiscal well being. What I am frustrated at is the example he is setting when kids do something wrong. The kid stole items in a foreign country while representing the United States. The university punished him. He feels his son should not have been punished so he removes him from the school.

That's my frustration....what message does this send to other up and coming athletes. Whether we like it or not, parents have a responsibility (especially black parents) to our children as well as other children. I realized this one afternoon at the barbershop when one of my son's team mate said that he appreciates me cheering for him and he respects the way that I carry myself and the realness of how I am as a father. I told him thanks. When I started asking a few people about the young man I found out his dad was not in the home. So my belief is that I have to set not only an example for my son but other young men.

I said all that to say, yes I'm all for Ball maximizing the system to benefit his family fiscally but when your child does wrong, the child should be punished. The message Ball is sending is that his son is above being punished.
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
I just ask one simple question. What is the goal for any of us? To maximize our personal potential in whatever we deem important to us? Are the Balls not doing that? Is college the only way to do that? As much as we sit in stands, on sidelines, within our work environments and hate how things are done, why are we bothered by a man who has created the means to say I ain’t down for any of this I’m making my own way? More power to you Ball. Screw the system.
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Nobody’s mad at Ball trying to maximize his kid’s potential. Hell Ball isn’t the first Dad to do that although we act like he is. My problem with Ball is he feels that his son shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions. LiAngelo wasn’t going to be drafted regardless because he’s not that good. The least Lavar could do is not come across as a fool and act as if UCLA is being too hard of his son. How can a kid learn like that?
 
The Founder said:
I'm not mad at what he is doing concerning his son's and families fiscal well being. What I am frustrated at is the example he is setting when kids do something wrong. The kid stole items in a foreign country while representing the United States. The university punished him. He feels his son should not have been punished so he removes him from the school.
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Lavar never said or intimated that his son shouldn't have been punished for stealing.

His contention was that there hasn't been a timetable established when LiAngelo will be allowed to play or even practice. Lavar also said that the school has taken away LiAngelo's meal card. Those are some of the reasons Lavar said he was pulling him out of school.
 
Kendrick said:
Lavar never said or intimated that his son shouldn't have been punished for stealing.

His contention was that there hasn't been a timetable established when LiAngelo will be allowed to play or even practice. Lavar also said that the school has taken away LiAngelo's meal card. Those are some of the reasons Lavar said he was pulling him out of school.
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His son should not have been over there stealing.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
This issue isn't who owns the business, it's the use of the player's name to endorse or promote a product.
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Not illegal prior to enrollment. Also not illegal after enrollment if within the rules.

From the NCAA Division 1 Manual:

12.5.1.3 Continuation of Modeling and Other Nonathletically Related Promotional Activities After


Enrollment. [A] If an individual accepts remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture


to advertise or promote the sale or use of a commercial product or service prior to enrollment in a member

institution, continued remuneration for the use of the individual’s name or picture (under the same or similar

circumstances) after enrollment is permitted without jeopardizing his or her eligibility to participate in intercollegiate

athletics only if all of the following conditions apply: (Revised: 1/14/97, 3/10/04)


(a) The individual’s involvement in this type of activity was initiated prior to his or her enrollment in a member

institution;

(b) The individual became involved in such activities for reasons independent of athletics ability;

(c) No reference is made in these activities to the individual’s name or involvement in intercollegiate athletics;

(d) The individual does not endorse the commercial product; and

(e) The individual’s remuneration under such circumstances is at a rate commensurate with the individual’s

skills and experience as a model or performer and is not based in any way upon the individual’s athletics

ability or reputation.
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GRAM4LIFE said:
I just ask one simple question. What is the goal for any of us? To maximize our personal potential in whatever we deem important to us? Are the Balls not doing that? Is college the only way to do that? As much as we sit in stands, on sidelines, within our work environments and hate how things are done, why are we bothered by a man who has created the means to say I ain’t down for any of this I’m making my own way? More power to you Ball. Screw the system.
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That's more than one question.
 



PsychoJag said:
Nobody’s mad at Ball trying to maximize his kid’s potential. Hell Ball isn’t the first Dad to do that although we act like he is. My problem with Ball is he feels that his son shouldn’t be held accountable for his actions. LiAngelo wasn’t going to be drafted regardless because he’s not that good. The least Lavar could do is not come across as a fool and act as if UCLA is being too hard of his son. How can a kid learn like that?
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I think because Ball is very public with most things that we believe he is with all things. My grandmother would defend me in public and curse me out in private. We just don’t know what lessons his kids learn. I know I wouldn’t let my child starve.
 
GRAM4LIFE said:
We have zero clue what his dad is doing privately.
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We have strong proof of what he is doing publicly....so his child steals in a foreign country while on a trip with a university....get suspended from the team and restrictions are placed on him....pops gets mad and said it's over kill. Pulls kid from college. SMH....

My child would not starve but in the public's eye, which his family is in because of him, he is seen as a dad who upholds his son's behavior.
 
The Founder said:
We have strong proof of what he is doing publicly....so his child steals in a foreign country while on a trip with a university....get suspended from the team and restrictions are placed on him....pops gets mad and said it's over kill. Pulls kid from college. SMH....

My child would not starve but in the public's eye, which his family is in because of him, he is seen as a dad who upholds his son's behavior.
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The public ain't feeding his kids.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
That's a position that the NCAA, with its vested interest in upholding the sham that its amateurism, would laugh off.
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True. I'd love for something like that to play out in court to force the NCAA into defending it. I don't think Lavar will take it to court after this though.
 
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