bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
Come on now, Blue....In all fairness, SU was the opponent in those games.
I was at those games, believe me SCSTU turned out
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Come on now, Blue....In all fairness, SU was the opponent in those games.
Because WE are better than the 1-AA playoffs just like the 1-A playoffs is better than a consolation bowl. How about you send your BEST to Heritage Bowl and your #2 team to the playoffs. You don't give someone else your best. You keep that for yourself. That is why you look at the SEC and ACC now and see all of our children playing for them instead of us.
This might be MY UTOPIA but the way I see this is that we maximize this "Heritage Bowl", get 50-60K in the Georgia Dome, increase the payout and eventually start beating these playoff teams in the regular season. Make them envy what WE have for a change. Can we do that or nah?
in the scenario that I describe, this year, Morgan would have gone to the playoffs, and SCSU, or BCU maybe would have played the SWAC champ in whatever this game would be called.
why that bad?
Florida State won the ACC this year. and they are in the playoff hunt for the title. But if they were not, then they would have gone to a regular bowl, whichever one that was. Now, that bowl has to take the next best ACC team, since Florida State isn't available. and they will do that and move one.
why cant this HBCU bowl take the next best team, and move on in the same way?
Because WE are better than the 1-AA playoffs just like the 1-A playoffs is better than a consolation bowl. How about you send your BEST to Heritage Bowl and your #2 team to the playoffs. You don't give someone else your best. You keep that for yourself. That is why you look at the SEC and ACC now and see all of our children playing for them instead of us.
This might be MY UTOPIA but the way I see this is that we maximize this "Heritage Bowl", get 50-60K in the Georgia Dome, increase the payout and eventually start beating these playoff teams in the regular season. Make them envy what WE have for a change. Can we do that or nah?
Why in the world would you even remotely think that ESPN (or any network) is going to give the meac 1 million dollars to send their second best team to their National title game, other than pure selfishness and wanting to have your cake and eat it too?
THE MEAC ISN'T A BIG EAST OR SEC CONFERENCE!
Which part of that don't you get?
Because WE are better than the 1-AA playoffs just like the 1-A playoffs is better than a consolation bowl. How about you send your BEST to Heritage Bowl and your #2 team to the playoffs. You don't give someone else your best. You keep that for yourself. That is why you look at the SEC and ACC now and see all of our children playing for them instead of us.
This might be MY UTOPIA but the way I see this is that we maximize this "Heritage Bowl", get 50-60K in the Georgia Dome, increase the payout and eventually start beating these playoff teams in the regular season. Make them envy what WE have for a change. Can we do that or nah?
I do get it...we are not the SEC...or anything close to it. But apparently, we THINK we are more than you THINK we are. and that's okay. Its just a difference of opinion. Everyone opinion of themselves is different.
that's where we disagree tigerpride......
yes, there would be black colleges in the game, but its not OUR game.....the game is only even being talked about because a major WHITE media outlet, ESPN, is talking about funding it. it would be OUR game, in my opinion, if Oprah was funding it...or RObert JOhnson (well maybe not him) but you see what I mean...to me, as far as college sports goes, the NCAA and ESPN are in bed together for the bowl/playoffs so to leave the FCS playoffs for this game isn't going from THEM, to US. its playing for THEM both ways. and we want to play for the same title EVERYONE plays for. that's all.
I see what you are saying...but the HBCU playoffs isn't US.....its playing for the money THEY are willing to give.
OUR game would be if the 100 black men kicked out money for it. Or the Divine 9. Or Oprah. Let Tyler Perry fund it....then its OUR game. and even then, I would still say, let the champ choose.....but then, it would be OUR game.....
ESPN paying you isn't OUR game.....its THEIR game....that wouldn't be what WE have....it would be what THEY gave us.
Well you have to get folks out of the mind-set that because no white school is involved in the game that it means it is degrading or bad to be involved.
well, I don't believe that its degrading...or that its bad to be involved. I just don't think we should be forced to be involved. I would feel the same if the NCAA was trying to force us to leave the playoffs to play in the game. Just because its "US" trying to force us, it makes no difference. I don't believe that having options is having cake and eating it to. I think having more HBCUs playing in the post season is a good thing. some would be in the playoffs...some would be in the HBCU bowl. I think that's a good thing....
that's where we disagree tigerpride......
yes, there would be black colleges in the game, but its not OUR game.....the game is only even being talked about because a major WHITE media outlet, ESPN, is talking about funding it. it would be OUR game, in my opinion, if Oprah was funding it...or RObert JOhnson (well maybe not him) but you see what I mean...to me, as far as college sports goes, the NCAA and ESPN are in bed together for the bowl/playoffs so to leave the FCS playoffs for this game isn't going from THEM, to US. its playing for THEM both ways. and we want to play for the same title EVERYONE plays for. that's all.
I see what you are saying...but the HBCU playoffs isn't US.....its playing for the money THEY are willing to give.
OUR game would be if the 100 black men kicked out money for it. Or the Divine 9. Or Oprah. Let Tyler Perry fund it....then its OUR game. and even then, I would still say, let the champ choose.....but then, it would be OUR game.....
ESPN paying you isn't OUR game.....its THEIR game....that wouldn't be what WE have....it would be what THEY gave us.
Ya'll always have the option of leaving the MEAC.
So let me see if I got this right. You're against playing in the alleged Legacy bowl because it in your opinion negates us from playing against what you perceive as the best, segregate us and you don't feel it's really our bowl because a white own corporation is backing it.
But if Oprah or Tyler Perry was putting up the money, you would consider it ours and wouldn't see it as being segregated.
But since that isn't the case you'd rather go participate in a playoff backed by a different white own corporation and help send you school further in debt.
Got ya! :tup:
So let me see if I got this right. You're against playing in the alleged Legacy bowl because it in your opinion negates us from playing against what you perceive as the best, segregate us and you don't feel it's really our bowl because a white own corporation is backing it.
But if Oprah or Tyler Perry was putting up the money, you would consider it ours and wouldn't see it as being segregated.
But since that isn't the case you'd rather go participate in a playoff backed by a different white own corporation and help send you school further in debt.
Got ya! :tup:
you are right. and I believe that if our president doesn't support leaving the playoffs (which he doesn't) and our coaches don't support it (which they do not) and the conference goes forward with it anyway, then SCSU will look to leave. I believe, from what I am told from A&T folks in the know, that they will as well.
now, that's not saying SCSU would leave immediately. But if this passes, I'll give it 2-3 years. enough to get our financial house back in order, and get into compliance with what the Big South wants from prospective new members. then an invite will be given....and we will accept.
I don't know much about SCSU's fanbase, but would they support this move as well?
I don't know much about SCSU's fanbase, but would they support this move as well?
Trust me....our fans love our team. they travel when we play furman....coastal...whoever it is. as long as we throw an HBCU or 2 in as non conference games, our fan base support SCSU....they come to see SCSU....not who we play against....
So in other words, you'll become another TNSU, depending on the very schools you don't want to be affiliated with.
They don't even support the playoff games he's so desperately want to stay in. Like all school fan base, they support what they're familiar with.
Trust me....our fans love our team. they travel when we play furman....coastal...whoever it is. as long as we throw an HBCU or 2 in as non conference games, our fan base support SCSU....they come to see SCSU....not who we play against....
SCSU vs Furman at home 9,613 (one of those great teams you need p play to get better recruits)
Your stadium capacity reports 22,000
Trust me....our fans love our team. they travel when we play furman....coastal...whoever it is. as long as we throw an HBCU or 2 in as non conference games, our fan base support SCSU....they come to see SCSU....not who we play against....
no game at SCSU will ever be well attended the Saturday after thanksgiving. but that's not even important.
no matter what flaws you find about it, its what SCSU chooses. its not what you would choose. you have that right to choose. So do we.
if the MEAC passes the vote, we have a decision to make about our future.
if they don't, then I guess the MEAC as a whole doesn't agree with the SWAC on the game.
We'll see what happens