Could Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic?

[jag4life]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

I have no clue. This is depressing. I rather go to the FCS playoffs anyway. What value does the SWAC have by hosting a championship game? Those every now and then good teams won't have a chance to prove themselves against teams outside of the conference anyway. SWAC is the laughing stock of college football. Like Ric Flair use to say "to be the man, you have to beat the man." This conference has to open up the opportunity for that to happen if it really wants to grow.

How often would the teams be decent enough to make a run? How many fans would want to play in the playoffs (streamed online) instead of the SCG? How much would it COST to play in the playoffs as opposed to playing in the SCG and BC?

 

[thegooddoctor]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Somethings can't be replaced:
JSU vs Alcorn
Alabama State vs AA&M
PVU vs TSU
FAMU vs Bethune
SU vs GSUHell when SU was down I didn't hear anyone say "let's replace the Jaguars.
Tradition is Tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[the band fan]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Essence has taken over the BC crowd that used to make N.O. a yearly event......black folks money only goes so far so Essence wins out as it offers more value in terms of amenities...now if you got Essence to do something with the classic then you may get that age group back

 

[bluedog]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

By "backyard" I would think you're talking about Tallahassee...FAMU isn't located in Atlanta...but you know that...at least I hope you know that

Let me go real so for you, FAMU would have to travel to New Orleans. (probably without the band)

They didn't come close to help filling up the GaDome ,(which is closer) in their own backyard with a band, and for a national title.

 

[JROCK]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

My thoughts: 1) Fact the BC was the 2nd largest attended BCF game last year. Attendance for football game are down all over the country. The economy is still depressed but not the sole factor in many instances. 2) Grambling is as much a part of the BC as Southern University. I believe those that are purporting to have "noble" causes aren't really the friends of neither universities. 3) We need to fire the person that had the unmitigated gall to have a concert at the same time as the game going on and take all measures to make sure this never happens again. 4) Winning cures many things. Both Southern and Grambling need to put a better product on the field. Of course Grambling has more work at the present time in terms of improving their product.

 

[bluedog]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Exactly....

What we should be asking is why is there a continuous downfall in attendance.

Here we go again not doing our research, besides y'all act like it's rocket science to figure out why the numbers went down.

Bayou Classic attendance numbers continue to increase since Katrina

New Orleans, LA -- The rivalry between the Southern Jaguars and Grambling Tigers goes back to 1974 when the Bayou Classic Started.

Those Southern Jaguars have dibs on bragging rights for the next year.

More than 32,000 fans packed the Mercedes-Benz Superdome for the 39th Annual Bayou Classic.

Bayou Classic organizers say seven years post-Hurricane Katrina, they are still working hard to bring attendance numbers back up.

National exposure helps to market the annual event.

Organizers say Southern and Grambling are the only Historically Black Colleges and Universities to play on national television.

http://www.fox8live.com/story/20176503/bayor-classic


Increased attendance at 39th Bayou Classic moves it up the list

A winning performance by Southern University wasn’t the only big moment at the 39th annual Bayou Classic in New Orleans. The event was the only HBCU Football Classic to see an increase in attendance from last year, making it the second largest Classic on the list.

The official attendance placed 45,980 at the game, and roughly half that at the Battle of the Bands and Greek Show.

“It is exciting to see the increase in attendance in all of our events this year,” said Dottie Belletto, President and CEO of New Orleans Convention Company, Inc. (NOCCI), the management firm of the Bayou Classic. “Our strategy for Bayou Classic is working with last year our focus on making Bayou Classic a family event that provides something for alumni, visitors and the community of New Orleans and this year focused on continued growth in attendance for all events that make up Bayou Classic weekend.”

The increase in attendance was also good news for the city of New Orleans. The Convention & Visitors Bureau shows that hotel occupancy was at roughly 93 percent. They project that the event brought 200,000 fans into the Crescent City.

This year’s Bayou Classic win for Southern University was its first since 2007. The team was lead by interim head coach Dawson Odums

http://www.nbc33tv.com/sports/southern/increased-attendance-at-3

 

[JROCK]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Let me go real so for you, FAMU would have to travel to New Orleans. (probably without the band)

They didn't come close to help filling up the GaDome ,(which is closer) in their own backyard with a band, and for a national title.

I really wouldn't focus on that conversation. 1) Grambling isn't going anywhere 2) You're debating a situation that is hypothetical with someone that have limits on what the great Southern University is capable of doing (which is insane). 3) You can't change other people subservience or self esteem issues that attempt to impart them on others.

 

[JROCK]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Essence has taken over the BC crowd that used to make N.O. a yearly event......black folks money only goes so far so Essence wins out as it offers more value in terms of amenities...now if you got Essence to do something with the classic then you may get that age group back

I don't think that is the issue either. The Essence Festival has been huge and in N.O. for over 20 years. Over 10 years after the Essence had solid footing in the Big Easy, the Bayou Classic pulled in over 70,000 fans (remember the Bruce Eugene vs Quincy Richard game)..........There is not a single issue IMHO. I believe the product both schools have put on the field of play, Katrina/displacement of citizens, bad business decisions and the current depressed economy all have a role. I also believe all of these issues can be overcome.

 

[SUJagFan]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Somethings can't be replaced:
JSU vs Alcorn
Alabama State vs AA&M
PVU vs TSU
FAMU vs Bethune
SU vs GSUHell when SU was down I didn't hear anyone say "let's replace the Jaguars.
Tradition is Tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tradition still needs to be profitable.

 

[FAM4lyfe]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Let me go real so for you, FAMU would have to travel to New Orleans. (probably without the band)

They didn't come close to help filling up the GaDome ,(which is closer) in their own backyard with a band, and for a national title.

Nevermind the 11 years following that game in which we filled up the Georgia Dome...you make absolutely no sense

For anybody to question whether our fan base will travel is insane

The sad part is this entire convo is based on you misunderstanding of my original post

 

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Essence has taken over the BC crowd that used to make N.O. a yearly event......black folks money only goes so far so Essence wins out as it offers more value in terms of amenities...now if you got Essence to do something with the classic then you may get that age group back

Bs. New Orleans was packed last Bayou Classic. BC has a younger crowd. Essence has the older crowd.

 

[ER the Grambling Man]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

A jaguar with some sense!!! There is a God somewhere!!! LOL :happydance:

Somethings can't be replaced:
JSU vs Alcorn
Alabama State vs AA&M
PVU vs TSU
FAMU vs Bethune
SU vs GSUHell when SU was down I didn't hear anyone say "let's replace the Jaguars.
Tradition is Tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jag4life]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Tradition still needs to be profitable.

The BC is profitable.

 

[Jax]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Somethings can't be replaced:
JSU vs Alcorn
Alabama State vs AA&M
PVU vs TSU
FAMU vs Bethune
SU vs GSUHell when SU was down I didn't hear anyone say "let's replace the Jaguars.
Tradition is Tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SUJagFan]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

The BC is profitable.

However, declining revenue - or lack of attendance, if you will - could threaten that. Which means both schools, this "rent collector", the vendors, the fans and everybody else involved should be concerned. Agree?

 

[jag4life]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

However, declining revenue - or lack of attendance, if you will - could threaten that. Which means both schools, this "rent collector", the vendors, the fans and everybody else involved should be concerned. Agree?

Yes... if the attendance and revenue were currently declining folks would be right to be concerned. It would take a much larger loss in attendance for the BC to NOT be profitable.

 

[bluedog]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Nevermind the 11 years following that game in which we filled up the Georgia Dome...you make absolutely no sense

For anybody to question whether our fan base will travel is insane

The sad part is this entire convo is based on you misunderstanding of my original post

:emlaugh: @JRock You were right. :lol::emlaugh:

 

[bluedog]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

New Orleans Scores Again With Bayou Classic

There is ultimately a winner on the field. This time around, it was Southern. That came as no surprise.

Also no surprise was the impact the 40th Bayou Classic had on the New Orleans area and region.

Estimates have visitors spending nearly 50 million dollars in the city over the weekend with hotels estimated at 80 to 90 percent occupancy with nearly 200,000 visitors in town, based on tourism official estimates.

Southern controlled play from start to finish in a convincing 40-17 victory over Grambling. The Jaguars bolted out to a 27-3 halftime lead and Grambling simply could not overcome it despite a spirited second half effort.

Leonard Tillery led the Jags' attack with 19 carries for 104 yards to help Southern clinch its first winning season since 2009. Wide receiver Lee Doss of St. Augustine was the game's Most Valuable Player with six receptions for 117 yards and three touchdowns. Doss went over the magical 1,000 yard receiving mark and now has 1,047 yards on the season.
- See more at: http://www.sportsnola.com/sports/lo...-with-bayou-classic.html#sthash.johFm0tM.dpuf

 

[SUJagFan]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Yes... if the attendance and revenue were currently declining folks would be right to be concerned. It would take a much larger loss in attendance for the BC to NOT be profitable.

Or a combination of a loss in attendance (revenue) and an increase in expenses. Like an increase in the rental fee of the dome and other associated expenses. Which will probably be on the table when the new contract is negotiated next year.

Hmmm. Maybe this "rent collector" might have a little more influence on things than some thought ....

 

[FAM4lyfe]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

:emlaugh: @JRock You were right. :lol::emlaugh:

Again...your comprehension skills are not my problem *shrugs*

 

[jag4life]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

Or a combination of a loss in attendance (revenue) and an increase in expenses. Like an increase in the rental fee of the dome and other associated expenses. Which will probably be on the table when the new contract is negotiated next year.

Hmmm. Maybe this "rent collector" might have a little more influence on things than some thought ....

An increase in rent to the BC that causes the BC to decide to move to another city and have N.O. lose that 90%+ hotel occupancy rate that weekend would sit very well with the true powers that be in N.O. and ultimately the state, don't ya think?

 

[JagFan#1]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

How often would the teams be decent enough to make a run? How many fans would want to play in the playoffs (streamed online) instead of the SCG? How much would it COST to play in the playoffs as opposed to playing in the SCG and BC?

You are looking at the bottom line too much. I'm not saying totally getting rid of the bayou classic. It can be moved to another date. Why not the week before thanksgiving? Anyway, the amount of exposure a SWAC team would get which would directly effect recruiting would pay for itself in expenses to play in the playoffs. It would give the opportunity to field better teams, which would be able to preform better against bigger opponents, which would bring in even better recruits, which would bring in more attendance. So on and so on with my runon. Who cares how many fans attend if its an away game. The away team isn't making any money off of the game. Plus teams have to bid to get a homegame in FCS playoffs. The money that each school send to the SWAC for the SCG can easily be money to bid for a homegame for FCS.

 

[SUJagFan]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

An increase in rent to the BC that causes the BC to decide to move to another city and have N.O. lose that 90%+ hotel occupancy rate that weekend would sit very well with the true powers that be in N.O. and ultimately the state, don't ya think?

But, we won't have to go that far if Grambling's fans would just show up. :lol:

 

[bluedog]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

You are looking at the bottom line too much. I'm not saying totally getting rid of the bayou classic. It can be moved to another date. Why not the week before thanksgiving? Anyway, the amount of exposure a SWAC team would get which would directly effect recruiting would pay for itself in expenses to play in the playoffs. It would give the opportunity to field better teams, which would be able to preform better against bigger opponents, which would bring in even better recruits, which would bring in more attendance. So on and so on with my runon. Who cares how many fans attend if its an away game. The away team isn't making any money off of the game. Plus teams have to bid to get a homegame in FCS playoffs. The money that each school send to the SWAC for the SCG can easily be money to bid for a homegame for FCS.

And just what money is being sent to the SWAC?

 

[jag4life]

Re: Grambling be replaced in Bayou Classic

You are looking at the bottom line too much.

Never a good statement.

I'm not saying totally getting rid of the bayou classic. It can be moved to another date. Why not the week before thanksgiving? Anyway, the amount of exposure a SWAC team would get which would directly effect recruiting would pay for itself in expenses to play in the playoffs.

The SWAC gets more national TV exposure than any other conference

It would give the opportunity to field better teams, which would be able to preform better against bigger opponents, which would bring in even better recruits, which would bring in more attendance.

Has that helped the Southland or the SoCon or the MEAC or TnSU get more attendance?

So on and so on with my runon. Who cares how many fans attend if its an away game. The away team isn't making any money off of the game. Plus teams have to bid to get a homegame in FCS playoffs. The money that each school send to the SWAC for the SCG can easily be money to bid for a homegame for FCS.

How much money is that (if any)?