In_The_662
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SWAC APR
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SUJagFan
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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
We talk about the failures and problems with the APR, but no one talks about the successes.
This is graduation season. Over the past few weeks, I've been taking notice of pictures of graduating athletes from various schools. Black athletes graduating, white athletes, girls, boys .... Redshirt juniors graduating with a year of sports eligibility left. Redshirt seniors with Master's degrees.
From my perspective, the APR has been an astounding success for most schools. Even if these kids are getting nothing but Physical Education degrees, it's better than them sitting at home with minimal options. A college education opens a world of opportunity and gives many a chance to have a life that otherwise may not have been thinkable.
HBCUs having less resources is nothing new. HBCUs were founded to provide education despite the circumstances. To provide the opportunity to achieve and excel despite the obstacles that must be overcome. That is the legacy of HBCUs. The APR challenge must met. Without asking for exceptions to be made or standards to be lowered, HBCUs need to rise to the occasion once again. This is not the time to let any excuse get in the way of what should be the main priority of all of our institutions - to educate the students. Success will be beneficial to not only the students and the universities, but to the community at large.
We talk about the failures and problems with the APR, but no one talks about the successes.
This is graduation season. Over the past few weeks, I've been taking notice of pictures of graduating athletes from various schools. Black athletes graduating, white athletes, girls, boys .... Redshirt juniors graduating with a year of sports eligibility left. Redshirt seniors with Master's degrees.
From my perspective, the APR has been an astounding success for most schools. Even if these kids are getting nothing but Physical Education degrees, it's better than them sitting at home with minimal options. A college education opens a world of opportunity and gives many a chance to have a life that otherwise may not have been thinkable.
HBCUs having less resources is nothing new. HBCUs were founded to provide education despite the circumstances. To provide the opportunity to achieve and excel despite the obstacles that must be overcome. That is the legacy of HBCUs. The APR challenge must met. Without asking for exceptions to be made or standards to be lowered, HBCUs need to rise to the occasion once again. This is not the time to let any excuse get in the way of what should be the main priority of all of our institutions - to educate the students. Success will be beneficial to not only the students and the universities, but to the community at large.
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
I agree. This year the sTu men's basketball team had one member working on his masters and two that graduated in December....in all on the starting five we had 3 grads....1 senior and one underclassman.....the masters student came off the bench. The women's team had one senior.
APR is forcing us to do what we should do anyway........graduate our student-athletes.
Coaching is where we need to improve. The reason we had legendary coaches back in the day is because their options were limited (and fewer restrictions as well along with better athletes). Now the better coaches have other options and they are taking them.
We have ALWAYS had to make bricks without straw.
I agree. This year the sTu men's basketball team had one member working on his masters and two that graduated in December....in all on the starting five we had 3 grads....1 senior and one underclassman.....the masters student came off the bench. The women's team had one senior.
APR is forcing us to do what we should do anyway........graduate our student-athletes.
Coaching is where we need to improve. The reason we had legendary coaches back in the day is because their options were limited (and fewer restrictions as well along with better athletes). Now the better coaches have other options and they are taking them.
We have ALWAYS had to make bricks without straw.
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In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
"Everyone" (yall know who I mean by that) were so quick to down Murray calling him a quitter and a loser but no one mentioned that he already had a degree and was working on his Masters.
"Everyone" (yall know who I mean by that) were so quick to down Murray calling him a quitter and a loser but no one mentioned that he already had a degree and was working on his Masters.
JayRob
TigaPaw
To be fair about this, you conveniently forgot to mention folks from several SWAC schools who jump on each other's bandwagon "just because".
JayRob
TigaPaw
Most JSU people? Where's your scientific poll?
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
Actually man most of our schools graduate athletes at a higher rate than the general student body.
The problem with APR is that you really don't get extra if a player graduates on time. You get those same 2 points a freshman who remains eligible would get.
Also, you could graduate all your SRs and still be in trouble with APR because a few underclassmen transferred mid year or didn't meet the criteria to remain eligible for the year.... Grades, number of hours taken (probably dropped a class), or left due to finances.
Actually man most of our schools graduate athletes at a higher rate than the general student body.
The problem with APR is that you really don't get extra if a player graduates on time. You get those same 2 points a freshman who remains eligible would get.
Also, you could graduate all your SRs and still be in trouble with APR because a few underclassmen transferred mid year or didn't meet the criteria to remain eligible for the year.... Grades, number of hours taken (probably dropped a class), or left due to finances.
CEE DOG
Well-Known Member
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
I agree one hundred percent. Enough with the excuses. Its time to find away to over come the problem. All these educated people on our campuses have to get their brains to working.
I agree one hundred percent. Enough with the excuses. Its time to find away to over come the problem. All these educated people on our campuses have to get their brains to working.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
I agree, but politics plays a major part in how things are done. LaFleur was a political selection for SU's AD position. Just on popularity along, he should had never gotten the job.
I agree, but politics plays a major part in how things are done. LaFleur was a political selection for SU's AD position. Just on popularity along, he should had never gotten the job.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
Who was LaFleur's boss? He/she should be looked at too. You can't just blame LeFleur for su's woes.
Who was LaFleur's boss? He/she should be looked at too. You can't just blame LeFleur for su's woes.
In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
JR
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Blacknbengal
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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
I'm expecting the full death penalty by the end of this week for some of these schools.
I'm expecting the full death penalty by the end of this week for some of these schools.
J-State2DaPoint
"Eye Of The Tiger"
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
Valley first. They ain't producing nothing
Then Grambling, Bama St and SU. In that order.
They all suck academically anyways. So why even hold the athletes to high standards when the school has low standards.
Valley first. They ain't producing nothing
Then Grambling, Bama St and SU. In that order.
They all suck academically anyways. So why even hold the athletes to high standards when the school has low standards.
Blacknbengal
Well-Known Member
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
I think some need to be closed or merged. They're wasting tax payers dollars just by being open. You know Southern Repubs are ALWAYS look for ways to cut the budget. Well, there's one way.
I think some need to be closed or merged. They're wasting tax payers dollars just by being open. You know Southern Repubs are ALWAYS look for ways to cut the budget. Well, there's one way.
BRAVEHEART123
The Clown Prince of Crime
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?
ACCOUNTABILITY. Money cannot buy that.
Question: What percentage of our student athletes had a SWAC school as their first choice coming out of high school or community college?
ACCOUNTABILITY. Money cannot buy that.
Question: What percentage of our student athletes had a SWAC school as their first choice coming out of high school or community college?
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?
After spending the weekend chatting with an NFL area scout who works the Southeast region of the country (SEC predominately) and listening to some of stuff he finds in his background interviews and character assessments, I am starting to agree that the big boys just hide it better. Not to excuse us from failure but man, a significant percentage of athletes in college football don't care about academics at all.
After spending the weekend chatting with an NFL area scout who works the Southeast region of the country (SEC predominately) and listening to some of stuff he finds in his background interviews and character assessments, I am starting to agree that the big boys just hide it better. Not to excuse us from failure but man, a significant percentage of athletes in college football don't care about academics at all.
JR
Well-Known Member
Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
You do realize SU puts out a lot of Engineers that companies line up for. You guys have a real inflated view of JSU and what folks across the country really think about HBCUs in general. There is a reason the US Navy has ROTC at SU. They evaluate our science and math programs with a fine tooth comb.
You do realize SU puts out a lot of Engineers that companies line up for. You guys have a real inflated view of JSU and what folks across the country really think about HBCUs in general. There is a reason the US Navy has ROTC at SU. They evaluate our science and math programs with a fine tooth comb.
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?
This was before the APR but long after Prop 48.
This article was a short write-up and part of the larger article that was on the Minnesota men's basketball team.
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June 14, 1999
Black Eye For The Buckeyes
How Ohio State kept linebacker Andy Katzenmoyer eligible
Don Yaeger
Minnesota isn't the only Big Ten school to have sullied its academic image in the past year. Last summer Ohio State was widely ridiculed for the smooth path to eligibility it paved for All-America linebacker—and noted classroom slacker—Andy Katzenmoyer, who needed to pull his overall grade point average up to 2.0 (C) during two five-week summer terms so he could suit up for his junior season. Katzenmoyer attained his goal by loading up on such easy-to-pass courses as AIDS: What Every College Student Should Know and golf.
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"The only advantage Mr. Katzenmoyer may have had is that he has people looking out for him who know the rules of the university," says art education department chairman Jim Hutchens. "Grade changes are discussed in the university handbook. That others don't know that only means they haven't read the handbook. I don't think it's as suspicious as it may look."
Katzenmoyer, who was chosen 28th by the New England Patriots in this year's NFL draft and has left school, declined to be interviewed, but former teammate Damon Moore, a strong safety who was also on the verge of ineligibility last year before being propped up by summer classes, says the Big Kat didn't understand why his academic performance became a national joke. "I remember he was really put off by all the attention," says Moore, a fourth-round draft choice of the Philadelphia Eagles. "Not everyone comes to college to be in college. I'm that way, and Kat was pretty open about it, too. He was bothered by some people who asked about the grade change. Everybody gets grade changes. I've had some grades changed. Other people have, too. Now we're both headed to the NFL, which is what we came here to do."
This was before the APR but long after Prop 48.
This article was a short write-up and part of the larger article that was on the Minnesota men's basketball team.
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June 14, 1999
Black Eye For The Buckeyes
How Ohio State kept linebacker Andy Katzenmoyer eligible
Don Yaeger
Minnesota isn't the only Big Ten school to have sullied its academic image in the past year. Last summer Ohio State was widely ridiculed for the smooth path to eligibility it paved for All-America linebacker—and noted classroom slacker—Andy Katzenmoyer, who needed to pull his overall grade point average up to 2.0 (C) during two five-week summer terms so he could suit up for his junior season. Katzenmoyer attained his goal by loading up on such easy-to-pass courses as AIDS: What Every College Student Should Know and golf.
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"The only advantage Mr. Katzenmoyer may have had is that he has people looking out for him who know the rules of the university," says art education department chairman Jim Hutchens. "Grade changes are discussed in the university handbook. That others don't know that only means they haven't read the handbook. I don't think it's as suspicious as it may look."
Katzenmoyer, who was chosen 28th by the New England Patriots in this year's NFL draft and has left school, declined to be interviewed, but former teammate Damon Moore, a strong safety who was also on the verge of ineligibility last year before being propped up by summer classes, says the Big Kat didn't understand why his academic performance became a national joke. "I remember he was really put off by all the attention," says Moore, a fourth-round draft choice of the Philadelphia Eagles. "Not everyone comes to college to be in college. I'm that way, and Kat was pretty open about it, too. He was bothered by some people who asked about the grade change. Everybody gets grade changes. I've had some grades changed. Other people have, too. Now we're both headed to the NFL, which is what we came here to do."
JR
Well-Known Member
Re: Can Offering More Online Degrees Help the SWAC's APR Situation?
Pop you know damn well they don't care for the most part. Only schools who really care about their student athletes are the Service Academies. And that's because of what they will do after graduation.
Pop you know damn well they don't care for the most part. Only schools who really care about their student athletes are the Service Academies. And that's because of what they will do after graduation.
JR
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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
The NCAA don't have the balls to that. The media would destroy them.
The NCAA don't have the balls to that. The media would destroy them.
CEE DOG
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Re: NO MORE EXCUSES
Yes he will. AJ kept the scores up because our administration told him he had to do that. Spady was hired on that same objective. It starts from the top.
Yes he will. AJ kept the scores up because our administration told him he had to do that. Spady was hired on that same objective. It starts from the top.
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