How would YOU reform the NCAA?


SoloMan said:
If not for football, basketball, etc. most would not even be accepted at any college.
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That is true. HOWEVER, as the UNC situation has shown, a lot of these "college educated" athletes can't even read at the level of my 9 year old nephew. That is a lot more wipe spread than eve some on here want to acknowledge (I know some cats like that). The bigger picture is that a lot of these cats are getting into college only because of their athleticism and making these schools a lot of money and not being made into better people (and if a lot of them actually wanted to earn a degree in a relevant field that they could use after college and no pro career, it better not conflict with football or basketball)

The whole "FCS and D2 need to concentrate on getting a degree" angle doesn't sound right when the fore mentioned is going on wide spread in FBS (Power 5/former BCS) football. Sounds like everyone from the MAC. Sun Belt, C-USA, AAC and MWC should concentrate on their academics along with the FCS, DII, DIII and NAIA because you got on average 45 draft picks to divide up among all those schools after the big school athletes get drafted.
 



kendrick said:
You think all HBCUs care about the athletes?

They want to use them for the same reasons the white schools do. At the end of the day there really isn't much difference in the mindset.
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But how will our schools be able to compensate them? Our programs definitely aren't overflowing with extra cash.
 
jag4life said:
How so? If all 100+ FBS schools lose 19 scholarships, that's 1900 athletes without a scholarship at that level. FCS and DII offer 63 and 36 respectively (max), so even if the kids don't sign with FBS schools, they will take the scholarships of players who would be on FCS or DII rosters.
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how is that different from what goes on now? Kids get dropped all the time for more talented recruits. How many kids sitting around now who thought they were gonna get that D-1 offer that THEY wanted? I just made a simple suggestion, of course there would be other considerations to make that happen.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
how is that different from what goes on now? Kids get dropped all the time for more talented recruits. How many kids sitting around now who thought they were gonna get that D-1 offer that THEY wanted? I just made a simple suggestion, of course there would be other considerations to make that happen.
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yeah you made a SIMPLE suggestion to take 1900 scholarships away from kids you CLAIM to be trying to look out for.. :lmao: I think you might be a Republican.

Get this kids some insurance and let them sit their azzez down. What they gonna do if they don't get paid? Quit? ok.
 
Tigerpride said:
yeah you made a SIMPLE suggestion to take 1900 scholarships away from kids you CLAIM to be trying to look out for.. :lmao: I think you might be a Republican.

Get this kids some insurance and let them sit their azzez down. What they gonna do if they don't get paid? Quit? ok.
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do you ever read and comprehend before you start with diarrhea of the mouth? Further considerations would have to be made in order to make it work. If you know anything about history you would know that scholarship reduction is nothing new. There are also ways the process can be grandfathered in.
 
Here we go with this black schools care about their black athletes more than the white schools argument again....There is not a single school participating in NCAA athletics that cares about its athletes.
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
how is that different from what goes on now? Kids get dropped all the time for more talented recruits. How many kids sitting around now who thought they were gonna get that D-1 offer that THEY wanted? I just made a simple suggestion, of course there would be other considerations to make that happen.
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Its VERY different from what goes on now... Did 1900 kids get dropped last year? :lol: ..and even if they did get dropped, another student athlete was able to get that scholarship. Under your proposal, more and more kids would not have schoarships. Do you ever make a valid point when you post? What does that have to do with reducing scholarships? To me, the LOGICAL thing to do here (which I disagree with) is to guarantee the 4-year scholarships to protect the students. However, doesn't APR protect students from being cut easily? Won't a school lose a retention point if that kid is not retained and chooses to leave school? Seems to me like the NCAA might already have that covered.

And stop trying to justfify your idiotic statements by qualifying them with statements like "a lot of other things will have to be put in place to make it work". Wow.. so you give a SIMPLE solutions that needs a LOT of other things in place to make it work? Please stop the diarrhea of your fingers.
 
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jsupop33 said:
Here we go with this black schools care about their black athletes more than the white schools argument again....There is not a single school participating in NCAA athletics that cares about its athletes.
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Pop, can you find where someone said that?
 
Journalist said:
Before y'all start talking about revenue-generating sports should keep their money and those non-revenue generating sports be damned ... just keep in mind that's one of the arguments the "one-percenters" use against the middle class and poor.
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kendrick said:
All these conferences and schools realigning is all being driven by the dollars that could be earn through revenue sports. The Big East died as a basketball conference because presidents wanted to chase football money.

There is a reason the football coach or the basketball coach is the highest paid employee at the university. The president at Bama said Nick Saban was the best hire he made for the school. The success of these sports create interest in the school, brings in a boatload of money and impacts enrollment and generates untold dollars into the business community.

Non-revenue sports, while valuable in their own right, just doesn't have that greater impact.
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Kenny Smith (during the March Madness coverage) is the first person I've heard make the argument that (if student-athletes are to be paid) those student athletes who are not playing revenue producing sports should not be paid, because they are not making money for the school. I was not aware that others had been making that argument as well.

But to that argument I'm calling BS. Because those who say athletes who play non-revenue producing shouldn't be paid fail to understand that in order to complete at the D-1 level a program is required to have 14 sports. Most of those sports are non-revenue producing, BUT without them a school can't compete at the D-1 where all of the money is made.
 



SAME OLD G said:
Kenny Smith (during the March Madness coverage) is the first person I've heard make the argument that (if student-athletes are to be paid) those student athletes who are not playing revenue producing sports should not be paid, because they are not making money for the school. I was not aware that others had been making that argument as well.

But to that argument I'm calling BS. Because those who say athletes who play non-revenue producing shouldn't be paid fail to understand that in order to complete at the D-1 level a program is required to have 14 sports. Most of those sports are non-revenue producing, BUT without them a school can't compete at the D-1 where all of the money is made.
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And that's why many are suggesting or have stated that the only real way to make compensation work is for the revenue-generating sports to distance themselves from NCAA control.

Since these programs are run and treated as businesses, it would be extremely difficult to view revenue and non-revenue sports the same when schools and the public doesn't invest in them equally.
 
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kendrick said:
Here is what Calipari would do:

• Players should receive a stipend between $3,000 to $5,000;

• The NCAA should cover eligible players' insurance premiums;

• Athletes should be able to accept loans up to $50,000 against future earnings;

• If a coach leaves an institution, players should be able to transfer from that program without having to sit out a season;

• Athletes should be allowed one round-trip flight home every year.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ipari-likens-ncaa-dying-soviet-union-new-book
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kendrick said:
And that's why many are suggesting or have stated that the only real way to make compensation work is for the revenue-generating sports to distance themselves from NCAA control.
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Ok a few things most of you know nothing about college athletics from an administration side of things..Also the HBCUs FCS D2 D3 NAIA will still be the same most of our programs are not in the discussion for providing payment for athletes only the BIG 6..You will find it hard to get a room full of ADs and Administrators to even agree with the idea of paying COLLEGE athletes...

The BIG 6 (SEC, ACC, BIG 12, BIG 10, and PAC 12) will be the conference who will leave the NCAA. From my sources that will eventually happen.

Everything a Calipari said I am kind of in agreement with except for the 3 to 5K stipends. U guys are crazy if you think these arent already receiving a ton of money already. I have looked at students athletes who have receive refund checks out the ass...Most athletes are on either a full or partial scholarship and are taking out no student loans they are getting alot more than your average students....
 
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This the price that is paid for making COLLEGE athletics a multimillion-dollar business. If these suits don't wanna consider the idea of paying the athletes, then go to a club sports model, or don't pay these coaches and ADs six and seven figures to operate COLLEGE athletics.
 
kendrick said:
This the price that is paid for making COLLEGE athletics a multimillion-dollar business. If these suits don't wanna consider the idea of paying the athletes, then go to a club sports model, or don't pay these coaches and ADs six and seven figures to operate COLLEGE athletics.
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As a future suit I understand that point but I can say from experience 60 percent of these kids arent struggling in college...The benefits they receiving are really better than most.

Going to a minor league system away from the college and universities...would be the only way it would work..
 
Tigerpride said:
Its VERY different from what goes on now... Did 1900 kids get dropped last year? :lol: ..and even if they did get dropped, another student athlete was able to get that scholarship. Under your proposal, more and more kids would not have schoarships. Do you ever make a valid point when you post? What does that have to do with reducing scholarships? To me, the LOGICAL thing to do here (which I disagree with) is to guarantee the 4-year scholarships to protect the students. However, doesn't APR protect students from being cut easily? Won't a school lose a retention point if that kid is not retained and chooses to leave school? Seems to me like the NCAA might already have that covered.

And stop trying to justfify your idiotic statements by qualifying them with statements like "a lot of other things will have to be put in place to make it work". Wow.. so you give a SIMPLE solutions that needs a LOT of other things in place to make it work? Please stop the diarrhea of your fingers.
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Einstein every suggestion people have made would have to have other things to considered because you are changing the current system. You can't be this dense........
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
Einstein every suggestion people have made would have to have other things to considered because you are changing the current system. You can't be this dense........
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That's becasue science is theoretical. This is not that deep. :lol: Just tell these kids to sit their azzez down! (and stop trying to compete with me on an intellectual tip. That's nearly impossible for anyone to do.. you might wanna call Einstein for help with that)
 
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JSUDMJ2004 said:
The BIG 6 (SEC, ACC, BIG 12, BIG 10, and PAC 12) will be the conference who will leave the NCAA. From my sources that will eventually happen.
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If they leave, they will regret it. But if they want to leave, (my beloved ACC included) let them take their azzez on. However, as long as the NCAA is doing everything they say, I can't see them leaving. Why would they?

As for this compensation, I read yesterday that these states are stepping in to take action. :clap:
 
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