Seems like an athlete finally comes out of the closet.....


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kendrick said:
3. And there is nothing wrong with him desiring social acceptance. That's part of the reason he came out in the first place. It is part of the reason why anyone backs or promotes any cause or issue.
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This has been the very foundation of my argument from day 1, and is something members of the LGBT community fail to understand. Social acceptance is a two way street. Part of being accepted in society is to accept that fact that everyone isn't going to accept you for what or who you are. It doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, black, white, fat or skinny. Someone, somewhere, is not going to like you or accept you for whatever reason. All one can do is to continue doing what he/she does.
 
SAME OLD G said:
Oh you better believe it was a spectacle from a media stand point. SI is a major publication with a huge reach. And for Collins to have the chance to write a first-person essay for such a major publication is just as good, if not better, than coming out on a show like Oprah. And let's not talk about the TV interview he did with George Stephanopoulos on ABC the very next day.


And because he is now "out of the closet", here is now disctussion on whether or not he will get to play for another NBA team. And whether or not his "gay-ness" will be a factor in that decision for NBA teams. Such speculation to me sound like a step back for the cause.
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And then you have people on the social network saying shit like, "he can finally live his life in peace now" or in the case of Kobe "Don't suffocate who u r because of the ignorance of others" or dumb shit from Bruce Bowen "Really hope people will RESPECT Jason Collins for his decision to come out. Just glad he can now relax and not be afraid to be who he is."
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I saw that ABC piece and I think ABC ran out there to do that interview because the President and Wife jump on the band wagon of this foolishness but I can see the president saying something in hopes that it would help keep the drama down for this athletes as he came out...I sure he is/was banking on those of you who support him to be willing follower of his acceptance of this young man's lifestyle!

Kobe and any other ball player can say all the PC statements they want but how many of them will truly feel comfortable in the locker room/showering with these cats...Stand on your convictions people!
 



SAME OLD G said:
This has been the very foundation of my argument from day 1, and is something members of the LGBT community fail to understand. Social acceptance is a two way street. Part of being accepted in society is to accept that fact that everyone isn't going to accept you for what or who you are. It doesn't matter if you are gay, straight, black, white, fat or skinny. Someone, somewhere, is not going to like you or accept you for whatever reason. All one can do is to continue doing what he/she does.
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And they LGBT use guilt to force our acceptance of whatever issue they want change...If you say you don't like gays and lesbians or don't accept their inclusion into whatever you may as well be a card carrying member of the KKK because they are having to fight for the same rights of the American life as others have had to do (like AA's)...SMH!
 
SUjagTILLiDIE said:
ESPN's Chris Broussard sparks uproar with Jason Collins remarks


By Scott Collins
April 29, 2013, 5:32 p.m.
Chris Broussard usually offers expertise on fast breaks and zone defense, but on Monday he drove right into America's culture wars by calling homosexuality "an open rebellion to God" and implying that gay people can't be Christians.*

Speaking on ESPN's "Outside the Lines," the basketball analyst and former New York Times writer was discussing NBA player Jason Collins, who in a landmark move just became the first active player in one of the major pro sports to come out as gay. Collins revealed his sexual orientation in a first-person Sports Illustrated story.

"I'm a Christian. I don't agree with homosexuality," Broussard said. "I think it's a sin, as I think all sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is.

"If you're openly living in unrepentant sin ... that's walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ," he added.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ason-collins-remarks-20130429,0,1157118.story
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He should be suspended or let go because of those statements alone. In his line of work, he could be hurting ESPN's bottomline or unknowingly bringing more persecution on an already persecuted group of people.
If he wants this guy to keep his personal lifestyle to himself, he should've kept his religious comments to himself.
 
JayRob said:
He should be suspended or let go because of those statements alone. In his line of work, he could be hurting ESPN's bottomline or unknowingly bringing more persecution on an already persecuted group of people.
If he wants this guy to keep his personal lifestyle to himself, he should've kept his religious comments to himself.
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What?

The folks at ESPN know he's a Christian fundamentalist. Why should he be suspended when he was asked his thoughts about Collins being gay and professing to be Christian?

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kendrick said:
What?

The folks at ESPN know he's a Christian fundamentalist. Why should he be suspended when he was asked his thoughts about Collins being gay and professing to be Christian?

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Did he HAVE to answer the question? Folks who are close to him may know his personal beliefs however the public doesn't need to hear it. All they need to hear is him talking about sports.
ESPN hired him as a basketball analyst not to give his personal opinions on political, sexual orientation or religious views for obvious reasons.
As a reporter yourself, I think you get my point.
 
JayRob said:
Did he HAVE to answer the question? Folks who are close to him may know his personal beliefs however the public doesn't need to hear it. All they need to hear is him talking about sports.
ESPN hired him as a basketball analyst not to give his personal opinions on political, sexual orientation or religious views for obvious reasons.
As a reporter yourself, I think you get my point.
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What Jayrob..don't ask the question if you don't really want the answer or warn that you are not looking for a true answer...the same could be said of Collins on weather or not he had to answer...so No Chris didn't but since Collins answered and the question to Chris about Collins sexual orientation had been posed he had a right to tell his true beliefs(see that's what is call convictions and it is ones right not to go with the popular)!
 
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JayRob said:
Did he HAVE to answer the question? Folks who are close to him may know his personal beliefs however the public doesn't need to hear it. All they need to hear is him talking about sports.
ESPN hired him as a basketball analyst not to give his personal opinions on political, sexual orientation or religious views for obvious reasons.
As a reporter yourself, I think you get my point.
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All of what you mentioned is very much part of sports. Chris has the authority to speak about this particular issue just like he has the authority to give his opinion about whether Dwight Howard will stay in L.A.

You can't separate sports from politics, race, religion or sex. They're married. They've always been intertwined to varying degrees. If sports is a reflection of society, then how can Chris be restricted from expressing his views on this issue?
 
JayRob said:
He should be suspended or let go because of those statements alone. In his line of work, he could be hurting ESPN's bottomline or unknowingly bringing more persecution on an already persecuted group of people.
If he wants this guy to keep his personal lifestyle to himself, he should've kept his religious comments to himself.
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How you gonna hire someone to give OPINIONS about the happenings in sports and then fire him when he answeres a question that was put directly to him honestly? :noidea:

Like I said, if you say ANYTHING other than I AGREE and get down on all 4's bowing, the media and so called tollerant people of all opinions will destroy you. :smh:
 
Gays always being messy. They are worst then a bunch of broads. This dude did this for attention. The sad and sick part is he was engaged to that woman all the time he was taking one up the rump. Sad!!
 
SAME OLD G said:
Really Bruce Bowen? Collins wasn't afraid of being who he was BEFORE he told the world. That's a bunch of bullshit.
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I agree with what you said to an extent except for this... He was dating a woman and engaged to her. Sounds like he was afraid of something.
 
DallasCowboyGirl said:
And they LGBT use guilt to force our acceptance of whatever issue they want change...If you say you don't like gays and lesbians or don't accept their inclusion into whatever you may as well be a card carrying member of the KKK because they are having to fight for the same rights of the American life as others have had to do (like AA's)...SMH!
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And that's what always irks me with them... you can be a white gay person (that's not overly flamboyant like Perez Hilton or those queen types)and blend into society and hardly anyone will know if you don't come out. If you are black ain't no hiding that :lol:
 
JayRob said:
He should be suspended or let go because of those statements alone. In his line of work, he could be hurting ESPN's bottomline or unknowingly bringing more persecution on an already persecuted group of people.
If he wants this guy to keep his personal lifestyle to himself, he should've kept his religious comments to himself.
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I agree. Both need to be quiet.
 
DallasCowboyGirl said:
What Jayrob..don't ask the question if you don't really want the answer or warn that you are not looking for a true answer...the same could be said of Collins on weather or not he had to answer...so No Chris didn't but since Collins answered and the question to Chris about Collins sexual orientation had been posed he had a right to tell his true beliefs(see that's what is call convictions and it is ones right not to go with the popular)!
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Not true. Collins doesn't work for a worldwide sports network which caters to people of differing views. If the LGBT came out against him for his comments, he'd be fired overnight.
What I'm simply saying is, some things are better left unsaid depending on your job title in today's society.

Like JR said earlier, the man has a right to his beliefs, but be prepared for the public backlash when you do.
 



kendrick said:
All of what you mentioned is very much part of sports. Chris has the authority to speak about this particular issue just like he has the authority to give his opinion about whether Dwight Howard will stay in L.A.

You can't separate sports from politics, race, religion or sex. They're married. They've always been intertwined to varying degrees. If sports is a reflection of society, then how can Chris be restricted from expressing his views on this issue?
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Not necessarily. If Broussard had come out and spoke on politics about the Boston bombers and stated in his opinion that he believed the government was backing the bombers, would he get a "pass"? Would he be allowed to keep his job? I highly doubt it.
Many broadcasters like Jimmy the Greek have been fired for getting involved in race, political and religious conversations while working for or representing a major network.
 
In_The_662 said:
And that's what always irks me with them... you can be a white gay person (that's not overly flamboyant like Perez Hilton or those queen types)and blend into society and hardly anyone will know if you don't come out. If you are black ain't no hiding that :lol:
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Exactly. That is my beef with the movement as well. I don't care what you do and I am for equal treatment of everyone. But don't compare your struggle to the struggle African Americans are having or how it was for the Civil Rights movement. Ain't masses of them getting hosed down or dogs let lose on them. The KKK wasn't burning down their houses and hanging them from trees.

The only ones I have sympathy for is the AA Gays and Lesbians. They have a double whammy stacked against them.
 
Its no secret the African male is known for being macho and manly. I look at this as another way to make us look inferior and weak, when we are really strong and powerful brothers. Thats just my opinion though.
 
JR said:
Exactly. That is my beef with the movement as well. I don't care what you do and I am for equal treatment of everyone. But don't compare your struggle to the struggle African Americans are having or how it was for the Civil Rights movement. Ain't masses of them getting hosed down or dogs let lose on them. The KKK wasn't burning down their houses and hanging them from trees.

The only ones I have sympathy for is the AA Gays and Lesbians. They have a double whammy stacked against them.
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I agree. The gay and lesbian movement has faced way less resistance than the African American Civil Rights Movement. I remember when I lived in Los Angeles from 89-96 and whenever then Governor Pete Wilson would veto any bill legislated for the civil rights of gays and lesbians, the LGBT community would have sit-ins in the middle of major intersections like La Brea and Sunset Boulevards or march around LAX for the sole purpose to lockup L.A.’s economy with basically nothing happening to them, which was totally different from the 60's and 70's when F.B.I. Director J. Edgar Hoover used COINTELPRO tactics to keep Black political groups in California from sustaining some type of organization. A lot of people would say Hoover’s action was one of the main reasons why gangs became more popular for a lot of Black youths in Los Angeles in later years. I don't know how true this is but I've heard people say that the acronym "CRIP" initially stood for California Revolutionary Independent Party.
 
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JayRob said:
Not necessarily. If Broussard had come out and spoke on politics about the Boston bombers and stated in his opinion that he believed the government was backing the bombers, would he get a "pass"? Would he be allowed to keep his job? I highly doubt it.
Many broadcasters like Jimmy the Greek have been fired for getting involved in race, political and religious conversations while working for or representing a major network.
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It is hard to have this discussion without examining the religious component due to the fact millions of people reject homosexuality strictly because of their religious beliefs. It is the biggest reason this issue is polarizing to begin with.
JR said:
Exactly. That is my beef with the movement as well. I don't care what you do and I am for equal treatment of everyone. But don't compare your struggle to the struggle African Americans are having or how it was for the Civil Rights movement. Ain't masses of them getting hosed down or dogs let lose on them. The KKK wasn't burning down their houses and hanging them from trees.

The only ones I have sympathy for is the AA Gays and Lesbians. They have a double whammy stacked against them.
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Well, it is difficult to ignore that homosexuals all over the world have been discriminated against, ostracized, assaulted, bullied and killed simply because they're gay.
 
kendrick said:
It is hard to have this discussion without examining the religious component due to the fact millions of people reject homosexuality strictly because of their religious beliefs. It is the biggest reason this issue is polarizing to begin with.


Well, it is difficult to ignore that homosexuals all over the world have been discriminated against, ostracized, assaulted, bullied and killed simply because they're gay.
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No one said stuff has not happened. But not on the scale that happened to black folks in the US. Just have your own movement and not compare it to our struggle. It is not the same.
 
JR said:
No one said stuff has not happened. But not on the scale that happened to black folks in the US. Just have your own movement and not compare it to our struggle. It is not the same.
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Can you at least compare it from the standpoint that both groups are/were fighting for civil rights, acceptance and equality?
 
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kendrick said:
If both groups are fighting for civil rights, can you compare it?
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The big difference is the concealment of one's sexual orientation is a lot easier than someone trying to conceal their ethnicity. Anyone with two good eyes could see that Jason Collins was a Black male from the date of his birth, but it took him making a public announcement 30 plus years later to the national media to reveal to most of us that he was gay, which is why we are having this discussion on this thread. Even his once fiancee claimed she didn't know.
 
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