NCAA Announces Penn State Penalties!!!
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Herbert77060
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DAYUM!
DAYUM!
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Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
Re: NCAA Announces Penalties!!!
Welcome to the NCAA's slippery slope. This what y'all wanted. Y'all wanted y'alls pound of flesh. However, y'all also allowed some ole Emperor Palpatine-type stuff to happen in college athletics as well. Now the NCAA has the precedent to punish programs for off-the-field incidents.
Penn State deserved to be punished, but that's what the legal system, civil courts and the US Department of Education were going to do. The NCAA basically called an audible on this and decided to unilaterally punish the school.
Now is definitely the time for athletic programs to tighten up on themselves and their student-athletes.
Welcome to the NCAA's slippery slope. This what y'all wanted. Y'all wanted y'alls pound of flesh. However, y'all also allowed some ole Emperor Palpatine-type stuff to happen in college athletics as well. Now the NCAA has the precedent to punish programs for off-the-field incidents.
Penn State deserved to be punished, but that's what the legal system, civil courts and the US Department of Education were going to do. The NCAA basically called an audible on this and decided to unilaterally punish the school.
Now is definitely the time for athletic programs to tighten up on themselves and their student-athletes.
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JayRob
TigaPaw
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Lack of institutional control in reference to what? State the bylaws that were quoted by the NCAA broken by Penn State.
Jrock can't do it, can you?
Lack of institutional control in reference to what? State the bylaws that were quoted by the NCAA broken by Penn State.
Jrock can't do it, can you?
usa today
Sgt Backfire
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Quote from Dr. Pogue
http://www.hbcudigest.com/ncaa-vaca...-robinson-as-all-time-winningest-div-i-coach/
Quote from Dr. Pogue
http://www.hbcudigest.com/ncaa-vaca...-robinson-as-all-time-winningest-div-i-coach/
Dr. Phreeze
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Basebone1898
Well-Known Member
Re: NCAA Announces Penalties!!!
Let me educated you:
Every single win from any college head coach is counted as a victory. It doesn't matter what class your opponent is in, it only matters what class your team is in. Joe Paterno has wins over teams like Brown, Cologate and Youngstown. Bobby Bowden has wins over small schools like Delta St, Furman, The Citidel, William-Mary, University of Mexcio and Tennesse Tech' freshman just to name a few.
Let me educated you:
Every single win from any college head coach is counted as a victory. It doesn't matter what class your opponent is in, it only matters what class your team is in. Joe Paterno has wins over teams like Brown, Cologate and Youngstown. Bobby Bowden has wins over small schools like Delta St, Furman, The Citidel, William-Mary, University of Mexcio and Tennesse Tech' freshman just to name a few.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
Re: NCAA Announces Penalties!!!
NCAA Constitution References
2.1 Scope of Responsibility.
The institution's responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.
2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.
For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to:
(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and
(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in this article.
6.01.1 Institutional Control.
The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.
6.4 Responsibilities for Actions of Outside Entities.
6.4.1 Independent Agencies or Organizations.
An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of an independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration, or an athletics department staff member, has knowledge that such agency, corporate entity or other organization is promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program.
6.4.2 Representatives of Athletics Interests.
An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of individuals, a corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration or an athletics department staff member has knowledge or should have knowledge that such an individual, corporate entity or other organization:
(a) Has participated in or is a member of an agency or organization as described in Constitution 6.4.1;
(b) Has made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;
(c) Has been requested by the athletics department staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes or is assisting in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Has assisted or is assisting in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes; or
(e) Is otherwise involved in promoting the institution's athletics program.
6.4.2.1 Agreement to Provide Benefit or Privilege.
Any agreement between an institution (or any organization that promotes, assists or augments in any way the athletics interests of the member institution, including those identified per Constitution 6.4.1) and an individual who, for any consideration, is or may be entitled under the terms of the agreement to any benefit or privilege relating to the institution's athletics program, shall contain a specific clause providing that any such benefit or privilege may be withheld if the individual has engaged in conduct that is determined to be a violation of NCAA legislation. The clause shall provide for the withholding of the benefit or privilege from a party to the agreement and any other person who may be entitled to a benefit or privilege under the terms of the agreement.
6.4.2.2 Retention of Identity as "Representative."
Any individual participating in the activities set forth in Constitution 6.4.2 shall be considered a "representative of the institution's athletics interests," and once so identified as a representative, it is presumed the person retains that identity.
Division I Bylaw References
10.01.1 Honesty and sportsmanship.
Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports.
10.1 Unethical Conduct.
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:
(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual's institution;
(b) Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete;
(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement or extra benefit or improper financial aid;
(d) Knowingly furnishing or knowingly influencing others to furnish the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning an individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;
(e) Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a student-athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor (e.g., "runner");
(f) Knowing involvement in providing a banned substance or impermissible supplement to student-athletes, or knowingly providing medications to student-athletes contrary to medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care in sports medicine practice, or state and federal law. This provision shall not apply to banned substances for which the student-athlete has received a medical exception per Bylaw 31.2.3.5; however, the substance must be provided in accordance with medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care and state or federal law;
(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or an institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores);
(h) Fraudulence or misconduct in connection with entrance or placement examinations;
(i) Engaging in any athletics competition under an assumed name or with intent to otherwise deceive; or
(j) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or the institution's athletics department regarding an individual's amateur status.
11.1.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
Individuals employed by or associated with a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports. (See Bylaw 10 for more specific ethical-conduct standards.)
11.1.2.1 Responsibility of Head Coach.
It shall be the responsibility of an institution's head coach to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the program supervised by the coach and to monitor the activities regarding compliance of all assistant coaches and other administrators involved with the program who report directly or indirectly to the coach.
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
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NCAA Constitution References
2.1 Scope of Responsibility.
The institution's responsibility for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program includes responsibility for the actions of its staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletics interests of the institution.
2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.
For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to:
(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and
(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in this article.
6.01.1 Institutional Control.
The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.
6.4 Responsibilities for Actions of Outside Entities.
6.4.1 Independent Agencies or Organizations.
An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of an independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration, or an athletics department staff member, has knowledge that such agency, corporate entity or other organization is promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program.
6.4.2 Representatives of Athletics Interests.
An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of individuals, a corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration or an athletics department staff member has knowledge or should have knowledge that such an individual, corporate entity or other organization:
(a) Has participated in or is a member of an agency or organization as described in Constitution 6.4.1;
(b) Has made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;
(c) Has been requested by the athletics department staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes or is assisting in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Has assisted or is assisting in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes; or
(e) Is otherwise involved in promoting the institution's athletics program.
6.4.2.1 Agreement to Provide Benefit or Privilege.
Any agreement between an institution (or any organization that promotes, assists or augments in any way the athletics interests of the member institution, including those identified per Constitution 6.4.1) and an individual who, for any consideration, is or may be entitled under the terms of the agreement to any benefit or privilege relating to the institution's athletics program, shall contain a specific clause providing that any such benefit or privilege may be withheld if the individual has engaged in conduct that is determined to be a violation of NCAA legislation. The clause shall provide for the withholding of the benefit or privilege from a party to the agreement and any other person who may be entitled to a benefit or privilege under the terms of the agreement.
6.4.2.2 Retention of Identity as "Representative."
Any individual participating in the activities set forth in Constitution 6.4.2 shall be considered a "representative of the institution's athletics interests," and once so identified as a representative, it is presumed the person retains that identity.
Division I Bylaw References
10.01.1 Honesty and sportsmanship.
Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports.
10.1 Unethical Conduct.
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:
(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual's institution;
(b) Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete;
(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement or extra benefit or improper financial aid;
(d) Knowingly furnishing or knowingly influencing others to furnish the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning an individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;
(e) Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a student-athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor (e.g., "runner");
(f) Knowing involvement in providing a banned substance or impermissible supplement to student-athletes, or knowingly providing medications to student-athletes contrary to medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care in sports medicine practice, or state and federal law. This provision shall not apply to banned substances for which the student-athlete has received a medical exception per Bylaw 31.2.3.5; however, the substance must be provided in accordance with medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care and state or federal law;
(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or an institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores);
(h) Fraudulence or misconduct in connection with entrance or placement examinations;
(i) Engaging in any athletics competition under an assumed name or with intent to otherwise deceive; or
(j) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA, the NCAA Eligibility Center or the institution's athletics department regarding an individual's amateur status.
11.1.1 Honesty and Sportsmanship.
Individuals employed by or associated with a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports. (See Bylaw 10 for more specific ethical-conduct standards.)
11.1.2.1 Responsibility of Head Coach.
It shall be the responsibility of an institution's head coach to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the program supervised by the coach and to monitor the activities regarding compliance of all assistant coaches and other administrators involved with the program who report directly or indirectly to the coach.
19.01.2 Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.
Basebone1898
Well-Known Member
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The only decision I have a problem with by the NCAA is the bowl ban for the next 4 years. These players and coaches shouldn't be denied a shot at a bowl game if they win 6 or more games.
The only decision I have a problem with by the NCAA is the bowl ban for the next 4 years. These players and coaches shouldn't be denied a shot at a bowl game if they win 6 or more games.
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
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No it wont................Ya'll are forgetting one person.
Bobby Bowden was #2 MAJOR winning coach............ That is who they gonna recognize............Not Eddie Robinson.
No it wont................Ya'll are forgetting one person.
Bobby Bowden was #2 MAJOR winning coach............ That is who they gonna recognize............Not Eddie Robinson.
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jstate83
GOAT FARM!
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And they gonna get it. If the NCAA can punish a football team that has committed no violations like this, I pitty the next HBCU that gets 100 plus violations or a athletic department that has sports teams on probation every other year.
And they gonna get it. If the NCAA can punish a football team that has committed no violations like this, I pitty the next HBCU that gets 100 plus violations or a athletic department that has sports teams on probation every other year.
pbla
Focus
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Just heard that Penn State will not received a share of the bowl revenue from participating Big Ten schools. But they will receive the split from the gate from regular season games.
Just heard that Penn State will not received a share of the bowl revenue from participating Big Ten schools. But they will receive the split from the gate from regular season games.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
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If you don't think covering up for a child molester and providing him access, keys, and an office to continue molesting kids constitute a violation, then....
JROCK
Preeminent
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MH,
Our people are being crippled by not taking the initiative to research on their own. I know you had good intentions but as a rule of thumb I never spoon feed (particularly when asked over and over again for the obvious).
MH,
Our people are being crippled by not taking the initiative to research on their own. I know you had good intentions but as a rule of thumb I never spoon feed (particularly when asked over and over again for the obvious).
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major095
ASU4real
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I honestly believe this was more of a legal issue than a NCAA issue. The ONLY explanation I've heard that justifies the ncaa involvement is that everyone that covered this up at penn state did it to avoid the bad press that would result from the exposure. that basically gave them a competitive advantage. interpreted that way, that action does break a ncaa rule.
I do think the ncaa overstepped here but because the optics were so bad on this penn state signed the consent decree and that was that. this was primarily a legal issue. if not, I'm waiting on the sanctions for syracuse, montana, and tcu where players were selling drugs and half the team failed drug test.
You know...they didn't even take those boys off tv. I mean, they'll be dragging their FCS scholarship number football team on the tube to play mich and ohio state.
I honestly believe this was more of a legal issue than a NCAA issue. The ONLY explanation I've heard that justifies the ncaa involvement is that everyone that covered this up at penn state did it to avoid the bad press that would result from the exposure. that basically gave them a competitive advantage. interpreted that way, that action does break a ncaa rule.
I do think the ncaa overstepped here but because the optics were so bad on this penn state signed the consent decree and that was that. this was primarily a legal issue. if not, I'm waiting on the sanctions for syracuse, montana, and tcu where players were selling drugs and half the team failed drug test.
You know...they didn't even take those boys off tv. I mean, they'll be dragging their FCS scholarship number football team on the tube to play mich and ohio state.
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
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not an NCAA violation.... a criminal matter but not a NCAA matter. For example if 10 football players rap a college student.... that is a criminal matter... the NCAA isnt going to punish the school.
not an NCAA violation.... a criminal matter but not a NCAA matter. For example if 10 football players rap a college student.... that is a criminal matter... the NCAA isnt going to punish the school.
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
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I will say this is bullshat today, tomorrow, and forever.
The players......TEAM.......... committed no violations. The other is right on par.
Try removing and prosecuting that damm board and administrators that actually let this shat happen. That would be punishment.
I will say this is bullshat today, tomorrow, and forever.
The players......TEAM.......... committed no violations. The other is right on par.
Try removing and prosecuting that damm board and administrators that actually let this shat happen. That would be punishment.
philharmonic
Living History!!!
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GOOD!
GOOD!
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I think Penn State should have suffered some type of punishment from law enforcement or the feds. But the NCAA caved to public pressure. They basically crippled the football team for the next decade. Like many have said, this opens up the door for the NCAA to pinch schools for all types of stuff now. And do you really trust the NCAA, an organization that historically has been inconsistent with handing out punishments, to make fair decisions down the road?
I think Penn State should have suffered some type of punishment from law enforcement or the feds. But the NCAA caved to public pressure. They basically crippled the football team for the next decade. Like many have said, this opens up the door for the NCAA to pinch schools for all types of stuff now. And do you really trust the NCAA, an organization that historically has been inconsistent with handing out punishments, to make fair decisions down the road?
JROCK
Preeminent
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The NCAA is a separate entity and can levy penalties on their membership if it is or isn't a criminal matter. Is it a criminal matter for a booster to give a student athlete a car? Is it an NCAA violation for a booster to give a student athlete a car?
The NCAA is a separate entity and can levy penalties on their membership if it is or isn't a criminal matter. Is it a criminal matter for a booster to give a student athlete a car? Is it an NCAA violation for a booster to give a student athlete a car?
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
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in that scenario, you didn't mention anything about the coach, AD, president knowing about the rape, covering it up and allowing the players to keep on raping even more students.
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Still not an NCAA violation according to that massive rule book.
Still not an NCAA violation according to that massive rule book.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
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MH.
Name me ONE PLAYER that covered this shat up. Name me one player that would walk up to this guy, a BIG TIME PENN STATE Character and tell him to get the hell outta here. Tell me one player that had interaction with this guy. Then give me the names of all the other students that covered this up walking around Penn States Campus.
You can PC this up all you want, those players committed no violations. This is the guilty people covering their azzes. They already know who covered shat up. The Penn State Board and higher ups in the administration. They are the ones that let this guy continue to be on campus........... Not the dang football team.
MH.
Name me ONE PLAYER that covered this shat up. Name me one player that would walk up to this guy, a BIG TIME PENN STATE Character and tell him to get the hell outta here. Tell me one player that had interaction with this guy. Then give me the names of all the other students that covered this up walking around Penn States Campus.
You can PC this up all you want, those players committed no violations. This is the guilty people covering their azzes. They already know who covered shat up. The Penn State Board and higher ups in the administration. They are the ones that let this guy continue to be on campus........... Not the dang football team.
JROCK
Preeminent
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Is hoarding a child molester unethical?
10.1 Unethical Conduct.
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:
Is hoarding a child molester unethical?
10.1 Unethical Conduct.
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work, may include, but is not limited to, the following:
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