An Ironic Situation


SU Jag 79 said:
Why would someone on the SAME level as you want and/or need to pay you for that trip? Doesn't make sense to me.
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I was thinking the same thing. Why should Ga. Southern pay Grambling for one game?? I would think their alums and supporters would be asking why they are paying another FCS school to come play them at home. Especially an Hbcu. Maybe for Homecoming but just a regular spot on the schedule?? Are we talking Travel pay or a flat out Check???
 



JR said:
You only have 2 games to begin with. So yeah it could cause some issues. You definitely better have every year planned out with 2 teams if you can't get a return game from 1. But I would only approach the better FCS schools to do that. Meaning the highly ranked ones. The ones in our local areas can and should be scheduled 2 years at a time. I would like to get NW La State back on the schedule.

I would call Ga Southern up for 2014 or 2015 because you know their ADs aint lazy have their schedule pretty much set up for the next 2 years. Go play somewhere where you could at least make a few inroads in recruiting too. Don't go way up to Montana or somewhere like Northern Iowa .......well unless you want to go get some OL and DL. LOL.

JState83 did hit a valid point. Those FCS powerhouses know we aint going to the playoffs and will not schedule us in the regular season either probably. Especially a home and home. You might get one of them to play you at their house which is why I said do a one and done but have another ready to be scheduled the following year. Kind of how we do with the FBS level schools. Only thing is, we aint going to get paid for going to another FCS school.
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To me, Grambling has an ideal venue which is the Port City Classic! I think an agreement could be reached with McNeese, Northwestern, SF Austin, Central Arkansas. The game takes on even more meaning if the SWAC is an FCS playoff participant. Now if those schools want it to be a home and home, we'd have to discuss playing their portion of the home date on the 2nd week of the next season because our PCC is locked in. In fact, that wouldn't be a bad deal... Say in 2013 we play McNeese in PCC and Northwestern in Natchitoches, then in 2014 we play N'western in PCC and McNeese in Lake Charles...in 2015 we play SF Austin in PCC and Central Arkansas in Conway...then in 2016 we play CArk in PCC and SFA in Nagadoches. That would be a nice schedule in my opinion.
 
STC_60 said:
I was thinking the same thing. Why should Ga. Southern pay Grambling for one game?? I would think their alums and supporters would be asking why they are paying another FCS school to come play them at home. Especially an Hbcu. Maybe for Homecoming but just a regular spot on the schedule?? Are we talking Travel pay or a flat out Check???
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That's normal protocol for games without a return date. FBS schools do it as well.
 
MikeBigg said:
Maybe it is time to make our conference available for a playoff invite. The conference President's should license the SWAC office to conduct a survey of conference fans to see the interest and also guage the financial benefits (directly or indirectly) from participating. Some traditional games would have to be moved, but in all honestly it wouldn't be the end of the world or the attendance. Especially if say the Bayou Classic winner was in the running for a playoff berth.

I think it's something we should look into... we (the conference) needs the added exposure. Plus ESPN is gonna eventually have the Bayou Classic anyway and would like having the entire conference participate in the playoffs. I know this is different from my past positions...but it may be time to take a different approach for the growth and sustaining of the conference.
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They won't listen because the fans won't offset the costs of the playoffs.
 
jstate83 said:
JSU could be 11-0.
The playoff committee ain't gonna wait for the SWAC to finish their season 1 week after everybody else in FCS has. They dang sure not gonna wait for us to decide our champion. There are too many good teams in FCS to fill those slots the week before the playoffs start. Those old 1980's days of FCS running to us has passed this conference by.

I said 4 years ago the anti-playoff crowd won and we better be ready to live with that backwards decision. :lol:
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Maybe you just don't understand. I understand your OPINION that the committee would black ball us but we can agree to disagree about that.

However, what is this talk about the committee having to wait a week or two to invite us? There is no need for a playoff committee to wait on that unless a West team is waiting on the outcome of the SU-GSU game to see who goes to Bham. NO EAST TEAM HAS TO WAIT A WEEK. After the JSU-Alcorn game, our season is over and Alabama State's conference games are over. The EAST rep will be decided. So every EAST team is "available" for the playoffs when they begin. Some scenerios also work for the WEST... but THAT and half of the other stuff you all are talking about is not the point of this thread.

THE POINT THAT YOU ARE MISSING:
On November 20th, on ANY other year, if JSU was 10-1, and that one loss was to Alabama State, we would ALREADY know we are not going to the SCG becasue ASU plays TU and the EAST rep would be set. Therefore, JSU would be playoff eligible. There is nothing in the playoff system that states that a champ has to be named first. We went to the playoffs in 1997 when the committee that even if SU lost to GSU in the BC, that they held the head to head win over us and that SU would be SWAC champs. Therefore, JSU was deemed playoff eligible becasue SU, win or lose, had the Heritage Bowl bid locked up and SU was not available when the playoffs started. So JSU went as the #2 team. The irony here is that we would qualify this year and be available but we are banned.

...and you don't get my point, fine. I won't try to explain it any further. :D But I really hope you have not been on here ALL these years and never knew this.
 
JR said:
JState83 did hit a valid point. Those FCS powerhouses know we aint going to the playoffs and will not schedule us in the regular season either probably. Especially a home and home. You might get one of them to play you at their house which is why I said do a one and done but have another ready to be scheduled the following year. Kind of how we do with the FBS level schools. Only thing is, we aint going to get paid for going to another FCS school.
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TIME OUT! What makes you all think that other FCS teams won't play us in a home-home series? :lol:

As for these payouts, Valley has taken a few from FCS opponents (ie NDSU and SCState) but most of us have too much pride for that.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
Why would someone on the SAME level as you want and/or need to pay you for that trip? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Only if they thought you would fill their stadium. The bigger FCS schools don't need us for that though. So it would be on your own dime if we did do a one and done. Otherwise you just schedule home and home with the local FCS teams. Aint like we are beating them either.

We need to schedule SE La, NW LA State etc and whoop them first. Before even worrying about the top FCS schools.
 
Tigerpride said:
TIME OUT! What makes you all think that other FCS teams won't play us in a home-home series? :lol:

As for these payouts, Valley has taken a few from FCS opponents (ie NDSU and SCState) but most of us have too much pride for that.
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They have too much to lose home and home with us. I didn't say not to try to schedule them. All our ADs should contact the better FCS programs about a home and home. Some make no sense like Montana. They probably don't want to come down South to spend that money and we don't want to go way up there either. But there are plenty of FCS schools that are ranked in our region. From Texas to La to Alabama to Ga. that we can schedule.
 
JR said:
They have too much to lose home and home with us. I didn't say not to try to schedule them. All our ADs should contact the better FCS programs about a home and home. Some make no sense like Montana. They probably don't want to come down South to spend that money and we don't want to go way up there either. But there are plenty of FCS schools that are ranked in our region. From Texas to La to Alabama to Ga. that we can schedule.
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The only thing I could see as an enticement to Montana is a trip to Shreveport for the Labor Day Weekend... and a promised return trip by Grambling with band up to their place.
 
jstate83 said:
JSU could be 11-0.
The playoff committee ain't gonna wait for the SWAC to finish their season 1 week after everybody else in FCS has. They dang sure not gonna wait for us to decide our champion. There are too many good teams in FCS to fill those slots the week before the playoffs start. Those old 1980's days of FCS running to us has passed this conference by.

I said 4 years ago the anti-playoff crowd won and we better be ready to live with that backwards decision. :lol:
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Just because some folks have a different view and vision doesn't make it a backward decision. I don't see much good arguement to go to playoffs except for some folks that ain't satisfied til they go try to beat some white boys. IMHO, the only purpose of those playoffs anyway was to keep them schools out of the bowl money, so they made that crap to give them something that ain't about nothing to go do and then arranged it so it don't even make no money. We had something better with Heratige Bowl, it modeled what Div 1A does, with a chance at making money and us calling our own shots. The HB had a higher attendance and a much better TV contract than them sorry ass playoffs. At one time, the HB was listed with the other D1A bowl games.

I bet anything most of them PWC Div 1 schools would have done the bowl thing like Div 1A if they could have made it work, but they can't. They ain't got no choice but to take that piss poor crap the NCAA gave them. Almost no one in America cares about that.

I LOVE ME SOME BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
 
Tigerpride said:
Maybe you just don't understand. I understand your OPINION that the committee would black ball us but we can agree to disagree about that.

However, what is this talk about the committee having to wait a week or two to invite us? There is no need for a playoff committee to wait on that unless a West team is waiting on the outcome of the SU-GSU game to see who goes to Bham. NO EAST TEAM HAS TO WAIT A WEEK. After the JSU-Alcorn game, our season is over and Alabama State's conference games are over. The EAST rep will be decided. So every EAST team is "available" for the playoffs when they begin. Some scenerios also work for the WEST... but THAT and half of the other stuff you all are talking about is not the point of this thread.

THE POINT THAT YOU ARE MISSING:
On November 20th, on ANY other year, if JSU was 10-1, and that one loss was to Alabama State, we would ALREADY know we are not going to the SCG becasue ASU plays TU and the EAST rep would be set. Therefore, JSU would be playoff eligible. There is nothing in the playoff system that states that a champ has to be named first. We went to the playoffs in 1997 when the committee that even if SU lost to GSU in the BC, that they held the head to head win over us and that SU would be SWAC champs. Therefore, JSU was deemed playoff eligible becasue SU, win or lose, had the Heritage Bowl bid locked up and SU was not available when the playoffs started. So JSU went as the #2 team. The irony here is that we would qualify this year and be available but we are banned.

...and you don't get my point, fine. I won't try to explain it any further. :D But I really hope you have not been on here ALL these years and never knew this.
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maybe you don't understand and have a delousional outlook on how FCS look at us in 2011.

Question?
Why would FCS even waste their time waiting on half a conference when they have all the other conferences in FCS finishing their seasons on schedule as a FULL CONFERENCE? :noidea:

Please tell me that since the SWAC is the only conference in America that is really 2 conferences in one.
 
Lewis said:
Just because some folks have a different view and vision doesn't make it a backward decision. I don't see much good arguement to go to playoffs except for some folks that ain't satisfied til they go try to beat some white boys. IMHO, the only purpose of those playoffs anyway was to keep them schools out of the bowl money, so they made that crap to give them something that ain't about nothing to go do and then arranged it so it don't even make no money. We had something better with Heratige Bowl, it modeled what Div 1A does, with a chance at making money and us calling our own shots. The HB had a higher attendance and a much better TV contract than them sorry ass playoffs. At one time, the HB was listed with the other D1A bowl games.

I bet anything most of them PWC Div 1 schools would have done the bowl thing like Div 1A if they could have made it work, but they can't. They ain't got no choice but to take that piss poor crap the NCAA gave them. Almost no one in America cares about that.

I LOVE ME SOME BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
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Then why in heck are we, AS A CONFERENCE, wasting all our time and money in FCS if the ultimate goal is not the playoffs? If that is the mentality, we may as well save money, withdraw from the official NCAA body, go NAIA, and create all the HBCU bowl games we can play in. :smh:

Everytime someone mentions anything about competing on our level, in the structure set up on our level, that don't involve some HBCU, here come the "grass is greener on Mr. White Folks side of the fence" mentality. This ain't got shat to do with wanting to beat "whiote boys" because those teams are full of BLACK PLAYERS. This is about actually competing on our level with all of FCS instead of that outdated mentality of "white boys" everytime someone mentions playoffs.
 
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Lewis said:
Just because some folks have a different view and vision doesn't make it a backward decision. I don't see much good arguement to go to playoffs except for some folks that ain't satisfied til they go try to beat some white boys. IMHO, the only purpose of those playoffs anyway was to keep them schools out of the bowl money, so they made that crap to give them something that ain't about nothing to go do and then arranged it so it don't even make no money. We had something better with Heratige Bowl, it modeled what Div 1A does, with a chance at making money and us calling our own shots. The HB had a higher attendance and a much better TV contract than them sorry ass playoffs. At one time, the HB was listed with the other D1A bowl games.

I bet anything most of them PWC Div 1 schools would have done the bowl thing like Div 1A if they could have made it work, but they can't. They ain't got no choice but to take that piss poor crap the NCAA gave them. Almost no one in America cares about that.

I LOVE ME SOME BLACK COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
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For some reason he seems to think that the NCAA has to wait for the SWAC to finish our season to send a team to the playoffs. :confused:
 



JR said:
They have too much to lose home and home with us. I didn't say not to try to schedule them. All our ADs should contact the better FCS programs about a home and home. Some make no sense like Montana. They probably don't want to come down South to spend that money and we don't want to go way up there either. But there are plenty of FCS schools that are ranked in our region. From Texas to La to Alabama to Ga. that we can schedule.
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JR.............. This should have been typed in invisible letters. They ain't gonna see that. They still under the impression that these schools are chomping at the bit to play us. These days, they don't even think about us. After all, we don't participate so what is the point from their point of view.

Just speaking truth. :lol:
 
Tigerpride said:
For some reason he seems to think that the NCAA has to wait for the SWAC to finish our season to send a team to the playoffs. :confused:
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For some reason, you seem to think the SWAC has some magical hold on the entire body of FCS that will make them cater TO US. That is delousional thinking. :lol:
 
jstate83 said:
Then why in heck are we, AS A CONFERENCE, wasting all our time and money in FCS if the ultimate goal is not the playoffs? If that is the mentality, we may as well save money, withdraw from the official NCAA body, go NAIA, and create all the HBCU bowl games we can play in. :smh:
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Hmmm................ sounds like a winner to me.
 
JR said:
We need to schedule SE La, NW LA State etc and whoop them first. Before even worrying about the top FCS schools.
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Exactly. Some still can't see that. They just want to play Y T to say we were in the playoffs for validation even if their team will get embarrassed.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Hmmm................ sounds like a winner to me.
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Yep.
Going down to scrubb NAIA status is the answer because the other way is "too hard and Unfair" for us lowely HBCU's. I would hang up my HBCU flag for good if that happened.

I'm sorry man but.............. :lol:
When I hear talk about MOVING UP, sometimes I have to take a asprin to stop the hurting in my stomach from laughing so hard. Playing and competing against "white boys" on the FCS level is too hard but people want to move up and play bottom feeder "white Boys" on the top level of college football. :lol:
 
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jstate83 said:
maybe you don't understand and have a delousional outlook on how FCS look at us in 2011.

Question?
Why would FCS even waste their time waiting on half a conference when they have all the other conferences in FCS finishing their seasons on schedule as a FULL CONFERENCE? :noidea:

Please tell me that since the SWAC is the only conference in America that is really 2 conferences in one.
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The NCAA has a simple solution to that. The only teams that go into the hat are those who have completed their seasons on the Nov. 19th and are "available" for the playoffs. The Ivy League opts out of the playoffs. The SWAC has 7 playoff eligible teams IF those teams are not going to SCG. This year, if ASU and JSU win out, ASU would be going to Bham. Therefore JSU would be a playoff eligible team becasue we have no chance to go to Bham. We would no doubt be selected to go to the playoffs. We are #19 (and rising) in the nation right now. 20 teams get in. If the roles were reversed and JSU had beat AlaState, and AlaState was a ranked team, ASU would just be SOL because JSU would be going to Bham. ASU is not "available" to go to the playoffs.

A few years ago, PV was trying to get in but they could becasue they had to wait on the winner of the BC to see if they were going to Bham. In that scenerio, you are right. If a team has already clinched the WEST the week before the BC, all other WEST teams would be "available" for the playoffs. That could never happen on the EAST because ALL east teams will have finished their conference schedules on Nov. 20. Tuskegee is not a conference game so the SWAC EAST rep is determined on the week BEFORE the playoffs.

The point of this thread is that this is ONE year that we could have actually had a team in the playoffs but we can't ONLY because we are banned.
 
usa today said:
Exactly. Some still can't see that. They just want to play Y T to say we were in the playoffs for validation even if their team will get embarrassed.
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Here we go with the Y T garbage again. Last time I looked, those louisana school was Y T also by ya'll standards. :lol: That must be the "catch phrase" that is supposed to embarrass someone to say "I don't want to play Y T."

And ya'll want to tell DOUG to shut up when he barking about somebody didn't want to play them 100 years ago. :lol:
 
jstate83 said:
For some reason, you seem to think the SWAC has some magical hold on the entire body of FCS that will make them cater TO US. That is delousional thinking. :lol:
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They would not be catering to us. We would fall within THEIR guidelines. The only way JSU makes itself non-playoff eligible is if WE choose to move our game to Thanksgiving week. You seem to think the NCAA has to make a special provision to let us in. We would be available for the playoffs. That is all that would matter. If we are 10-1, AlaState has clinched the EAST and WE HAVE NO MORE GAMES, we would be able to go to the playoffs.
 
jstate83 said:
Yep.
Going down to scrubb NAIA status is the answer because the other way is "too hard and Unfair" for us lowely HBCU's.

I'm sorry man but.............. :lol:
When I hear talk about MOVING UP, sometimes I have to take a asprin to stop the hurting in my stomach from laughing so hard. Playing and competing against "white boys" on the FCS level is too hard but people want to move up and play bottom feeder "white Boys" on the top level of college football. :lol:
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This is the difference. The 1-AA championship is worthless. There is no money to be made and no prestige in the division. Moving up is accompanied by money and prestige.
 
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