Homosexuality, reglion and contradiction

[JayRob]

What? No references to missing books to support this??!! Just more vintage Book of JayRob.

No need for missing books in this case. If Noah was a drunkard after the Flood, he was more than likely a drunkard before the flood. The flood last only a few months according to the bible, so it's quite obvious that he couldn't handle his wine before then.

Go ahead and quote from the missing books. Show us what we are missing.

There goes that "we" again. I'm sure RB knows more about this than you. Many Christians claim that Noah was sodomized by Canaan. There's no need for me to have to refer to any missing books. I referred to Old Testament scripture.

The argument for sodomization from the text draws an analogy between “and he saw” written in two places in the Bible: With regard to Ham and Noah, it is written, “And Ham the father of Canaan saw the nakedness of his father (Noah)”. In Genesis 34:2, it is written, “And when Shechem the son of Hamor saw her (Dinah), he took her and lay with her and defiled her.” Thus this speculation deduces that similar abuse must have happened each time that the bible uses the same language. This is why Canaan was cursed.

Already discussed.

You claimed in the other thread that they've already been judged and that they're waiting on hell fire. You're not being consistent.

This is that part where you start to understand the difference between hell in the OT and in the NT. If you keep looking, it will come to you. You answered the latter question while asking it.

When you find where "hell fire" is mentioned even ONCE in the Old Testament, then perhaps I'll begin to understand. Nowhere in the OT is it mentioned, but then you already know this....I think.

Who said they were in fire at that time? JayRob did.

Then you're talking about two different hells that aren't related. The hell fire mentioned in the New Testament where it refers to eternal judgement refers to hell fire. The hell mentioned in the Old Testament has nothing to do with any hell fire.

Besides, how long would it take someone to decide to follow God after meeting Him face-to-face and offered to join Him for eternity? It would be less than 3 seconds let alone 3 days

But how will this biblical god know this person isn't just saying it just to save himself from judgement? That's it, he doesn't. Where's the proof of character growth? Nowhere. Where's are the works to prove his loyalty? Nowhere.
What you claimed is no better than one making a deathbed repentance. Just "saying" one believes in the Jesus figure as his savior is not all there is to it. James says faith without works is dead.
Those folks being given 3 seconds (as you claimed), have no history of works proving their faith.

Already admitted my incompleteness in many threads. Regarding the content of the books missing from the Bible ... just color me ignorant. There is enough IN the Word that I have not yet grasped than to have years to spend researching stuff that is not there.

I can attest that this is true.

As for biblical contradictions, I have yet to find any.

As long as your mind is closed, you won't find any. Deep down, you know they're there, but it's very difficult for you to admit such.

Exactly.

But you made the claim that they were already judged after hearing Noah preaching and rejecting him.

Now what all of this has to do with the thread I do not know. I am agreeing with Tpop33.

What does it matter if a few posts hasn't anything to do with the thread. It's still about the bible isn't it?
I can talk about multiple subjects at the same time without a problem. It comes in handy.

 

[Justin]

It's always good to see a good pissing contest in here.

 

[JayRob]

What amazes me, is your inability to read and comprehend simple analogies.

I comprehended exactly what you were saying.

No where in my post did I decry that G/L are evil and going to hell. If you were able to comprehend and be the intelligent person that someone labeled you as, you would have understood that in my post I believe, CHRISTIANS WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS ISSUE VS THE ISSUES OTHER ISSUES THAT ABOUND IN THE CHURCH THINGS THAT ARE REALLY TEARING APART OUR COMMUNITY. They detest G/L but accept adultery, fornication, thievery, and the like. I may not agree with a the G/L sexual preference, (which by the way stems not from religious beliefs, but from a nature, or natural selection view point) not that you really care.

If I'm not mistaken, (which I could be), you indirectly decried that something was wrong with lesbians/homosexuals because you asked folks to pray for them. Why pray for lesbians and homosexuals if there's nothing wrong with them? Obviously you believe that there is or you wouldn't have ask for prayers for them.

And yes I mad my points, and the subject is Heterosexuality, religion and contraindication, but it ended up being about the same questions and issues you have with religion. (giving you and out here) And you are right and justified to have those questions and concerns; as I stated before all people should even Christians should ask questions, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR FAITH!

Not quite. When I make points, I try to give reasons supporting my points. You never gave a reason why you asked folks to pray for lesbians and homosexuals. I would like to know.

You know if these thread in the Prayer Board could stay on topic and not become a referendum for you to debate, question, debase, or bash the finer points of religion then maybe, just maybe more people would contribute.

So, now I'm the blame for folks not posting? You give me too much power. This is a public forum and folks have the right to question whatever I or anyone else post or believe. I have the right to do the same, and oftentimes I take advantage of it.
If anyone has questions about my posts, I gladly welcome those questions and I'll do my best to answer. I'd hope they'd feel the same.

I will give you one credit though and that is at least you question all religion.

If I questioned Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism and other religions, but not Christianity, would that be fair and honest?
Would that then allow others to not be so reluctant to post?

 

[96lioness]

JayRob ... we have been over this again and again. You won't accept the Scriptures so they cannot apply to your life. So, rant all you want. You are entitled to do so. Those who read the entire Bible will get the understanding and go foward with that.

This statement really stood out to me. Jayrob, serious question, do you believe in God (Jehovah) mentioned in the King James Version of the Bible? Do you believe He created Heaven and Earth and all that is in the earth? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is His Son? That He was born of a virgin into this world to take on our sins that we may one day come into God's kingdom? I ask this because I really don't understand.......if you don't believe, why are you so adamant about disputing any and everything about Him? You dispute His existence, His laws, His word, His Son. And why do you ridicule/belittle/demean those who do believe in God and His goodness?


I'm not trying to be mean/rude......I believe everyone has a right to his/her opinion and I know there are people who are atheists/agonostics. I don't know if you fit those descriptions or not, nor am I calling you one or the other. I just simply am interested in your response.

Oh, so now speaking the truth is ranting? LOL!! You can't continue to defend the evils outlined in the Old Testament any longer without realizing how foolish one sounds. There's no way one can defend the evils commanded by the Old Testament god and by Moses.

Those who read the bible with a subjective mind and commonsense will get understanding and go forward, that's if they're not held hostage by the beliefs of others. The very ones who taught them never really studied for themselves, nor could they comprehend the many errors, inaccuracies and contradictions. They just accepted what they were taught, then passed it on down to others and so and so on.

Most religious folks have no idea what's in the bible if you were to ask them. I know this because I've asked them. What they think they know is sorely inaccurate.

I must admit that I was taught from a child about the bible, but once I started doing my own research about it's contents, (while not letting the thoughts of a preacher or grandparent or parent or friend cloud my beliefs), THEN and only then did I find out that most of what I was taught from the bible was nowhere near being accurate.

This is how understanding came about, but it didn't come easy.

If you happen to be a believer in God and His word, you know that God is not the author of anything evil, nor are His ways evil or to be used toward evil, nor is His word evil.

And most believers of God and His Son Jesus know Him from things that have happened in their personal lives, things that have happened to them to cause them to believe without a doubt that God is real and that He has a purpose for them. Most believers have went through things in life that were so unexplainable, so dangerous, so bad that they know it was God who brought them through. And it is from these experiences that move believers to learn more about God, about His laws, about His Word, about His Son who through Grace saved us. It is then we believers are taught anything. Teaching comes from experience, experience given to us by God.

I don't know what people you asked about the Bible, but there are a lot of people who do have a comprehension about the Word. I am trying to learn as much as I can about the Word because I am re-establishing my relationship with God and His Son. Yes, there are many, many aspects I don't understand, and I may never. But I do ask for wisdom and understanding and God gives me what I need. God gives this to those who make a concentrated committed effort to know Him........

 

[JayRob]

This statement really stood out to me. Jayrob, serious question, do you believe in God (Jehovah) mentioned in the King James Version of the Bible?

No, and for obvious reasons. If the bible is accurate, it wouldn't have so many unfulfilled prophecies, unscientific statements, inaccurate historical accounts, lack of archaeological evidence for many of it's stories and plagiarized material clearly borrowed from other writings and religions.
I don't believe it's fair to attribute the aforementioned to an omnipotent and all-present Supreme Intelligence.

Do you believe He created Heaven and Earth and all that is in the earth?

I don't believe that the biblical god created heaven and earth as described in Genesis.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is His Son?

No, because if he was begotten of the father, that means he had to have a beginning. John 1 states that he has neither beginning of days and if he had always existed, he wouldn't have a father.

That He was born of a virgin into this world to take on our sins that we may one day come into God's kingdom?

There are dozens of other god-man saviors who came hundreds and thousands of years before Jesus. The Jesus character has dozens and dozens of similar characteristics of previous saviors from other religions Christianity labels as "pagan".

I ask this because I really don't understand.......if you don't believe, why are you so adamant about disputing any and everything about Him? You dispute His existence, His laws, His word, His Son. And why do you ridicule/belittle/demean those who do believe in God and His goodness?

For one, this is a public forum where communication and knowledge is, or should be freely exchanged, whether one agrees or disagrees.

If something's proven to not be true, I believe I have the right to post a counter to it? If I post something that's not accurate, does any poster have the right to counter what I say? Of course they do, and I welcome that.

For some reason, it seems like some "religious" folks get defensive when I question statements on here. I try not to do the same thing when folks question me. I simply try and answer their questions as best I can.
In college we're taught to challenge what's not accurate, but in religion, this isn't always true.

I'm not trying to be mean/rude......I believe everyone has a right to his/her opinion and I know there are people who are atheists/agonostics. I don't know if you fit those descriptions or not, nor am I calling you one or the other. I just simply am interested in your response.

I know you're not trying to be mean or rude and I didn't take it as that. Hopefully, I answered what you were asking as briefly and succinctly as possible. Please feel free to ask further questions.

 

[JayRob]

If you happen to be a believer in God and His word, you know that God is not the author of anything evil, nor are His ways evil or to be used toward evil, nor is His word evil.

This is why I don't believe the bible as being the word of a "loving" Supreme Intelligence due to the egregious amounts of errors and violence within it's pages.
For instance, would an all-loving Supreme Being punish humans to forever burning in hell fire for all eternity? Not in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, some parts of the bible are good for learning and applying, but a large portion of it is associated with a great deal of blood, violence and death.

And most believers of God and His Son Jesus know Him from things that have happened in their personal lives, things that have happened to them to cause them to believe without a doubt that God is real and that He has a purpose for them.

Folks in other religions say the exact same thing about their god as well. Their god hears and answers their prayers, but does that make what they believe to be true? Maybe, maybe not. That's between them and the entity they claim as being their savior. Nevertheless, it still shouldn't stop me from asking questions about that particular entity anymore than it should stop a Christian from asking questions about why Hindus worship Kristna or why Muslims hold Mohammed in such high esteem.

Most believers have went through things in life that were so unexplainable, so dangerous, so bad that they know it was God who brought them through. And it is from these experiences that move believers to learn more about God, about His laws, about His Word, about His Son who through Grace saved us. It is then we believers are taught anything. Teaching comes from experience, experience given to us by God.

As stated earlier, folks from other religions feel the exact same way. Those of other religions have just as much passion about their answered prayers after they've prayed to their god.
Still though, is it right for Christians to label their religion as being pagan? Is it right for Christians to label their religion as being "of the devil"?

I don't know what people you asked about the Bible, but there are a lot of people who do have a comprehension about the Word. I am trying to learn as much as I can about the Word because I am re-establishing my relationship with God and His Son. Yes, there are many, many aspects I don't understand, and I may never. But I do ask for wisdom and understanding and God gives me what I need. God gives this to those who make a concentrated committed effort to know Him.....

As I've said multiple times, if one feels that his religion/biblical god supplies his needs, helps him get through trials, pains, sufferings, etc., then so be it. They should use it as that tool to help them wherever they feel they might need help.
That person has just as much right to believe what he chooses to believe just like that Hindu has the right to believe that his god does the exact same thing for him.

After saying all of that, anyone has the right, on a public forum, to ask questions about one's religion and folks have the right to ask questions about religion as being fact or fiction, true or false or a mixture of both.

Hope that helps a bit more.

 

[96lioness]

Thank you for responding.....I know those were personal questions and you had every right to refuse to answer.

Since you don't believe in God Jehovah, I would guess it's safe to say that you don't believe in His Word, His laws, or His Son Jesus and/or the purpose, death and resurrection of Jesus.

If you don't believe in God and/or Jesus, why do you argue against Him and those who believe in Him? Again, I'm not calling you an atheist or agonostic; I do know a few, however, and most don't argue about God or the Bible. They simply have their say and move on. I've never seen anyone who doesn't believe in something/someone be so insistent on proving those who feel the opposite wrong.

I'm perfectly aware this is a public forum, also, and that there will always be those who have differences of opinions. And I also know that what one person thinks somethings "proven to not be true" does not hold for another person, thus the feedback from other posters. And I know you catch a lot of flack/heat from those who have a more passionate, loving, faithful relationship for/with God/Jesus.

Again, I appreciate your responses. But I still wonder why you try so hard to dissuade those who do believe in God to believe otherwise. I do love God and I'm not above wanting anyone to have a relationship with Him. But I also believe He gave us free will, the decision to do right or wrong, to love or hate, to obey or disobey, to serve Him or serve the devil.

 

[JayRob]

Thank you for responding.....I know those were personal questions and you had every right to refuse to answer.

Since you don't believe in God Jehovah, I would guess it's safe to say that you don't believe in His Word, His laws, or His Son Jesus and/or the purpose, death and resurrection of Jesus.

If you don't believe in God and/or Jesus, why do you argue against Him and those who believe in Him? Again, I'm not calling you an atheist or agonostic; I do know a few, however, and most don't argue about God or the Bible. They simply have their say and move on. I've never seen anyone who doesn't believe in something/someone be so insistent on proving those who feel the opposite wrong.

What's different about Christians passionately questioning someone who doesn't believe in the bible? If you're going to be fair, that question needs to be asked as to why they vehemently question someone who don't believe in the bible.
And even though I'm neither, there are quite a few atheists and agnostics who do passionately preach against the bible. As a matter of fact, they write books, dissertations and produce websites about why they don't.
Just as there are Christians who don't do things the same way, there are atheists and agnostics who don't do things the same way. People are different. What one may do, the other one may not.
Look at the 33,000 Christian denominations with all of their differences. They're not all the same.

I'm perfectly aware this is a public forum, also, and that there will always be those who have differences of opinions. And I also know that what one person thinks somethings "proven to not be true" does not hold for another person, thus the feedback from other posters. And I know you catch a lot of flack/heat from those who have a more passionate, loving, faithful relationship for/with God/Jesus.

If you consider challenging questions as a form of dissuading folks from believing in the biblical god, then that's not true. It's up to that person to believe or not believe whatever he wants to.
Why would I try to dissuade someone from believing in the biblical god or god of their choice? That's not for me to decide.
I would ask anyone to post a statement where I encouraged folks to turn away from the god of their choice?
If what I post is accurate information, is that wrong?

Again, I appreciate your responses. But I still wonder why you try so hard to dissuade those who do believe in God to believe otherwise. I do love God and I'm not above wanting anyone to have a relationship with Him. But I also believe He gave us free will, the decision to do right or wrong, to love or hate, to obey or disobey, to serve Him or serve the devil.

Do you ever wonder the same for Christians who try and convert unbelievers?
What's wrong with a person bringing up valid questions about the bible? Some Christians, on a daily basis, bring up questions about other religions, while calling them pagan and "of the devil", but when their religion is questioned, then it's looked at as being wrong. Is that fair and just?

In my opinion, all religions should be questioned because have been shown to be man-made, of and by men.

 

[96lioness]

Really, there is no difference in Christians questioning nonbelievers/atheists/agonostics about the Bible. But I do know that most Christians offer God and His Word to nonbelievers/atheists/agonostics; the decision whether to accept Him or not is entirely up to that person. Just like God Himself, whosoever will, let him come.......He gave us free will but doesn't want anyone who does not want to freely and lovingly give themselves to Him. So I guess what I'm saying is that most Christians offer God to others who don't know Him, let the person decided, and push on. Jesus Himself told His disciples to go from house to house and offer the Word. He told them if any accept Him, bless him and his house. For those who don't, Jesus told them to shake the dust off their feet and move on.

And I never said you encouraged anyone to turn away from their religion or turn away from God. I did say that I've never seen anyone so adamant about proving what believers believe about God wrong. And I'm also aware that it's not your decision to try to dissuade believers otherwise; a true committed faithful believer would not be discouraged by what anyone says against God, no matter what.

And I never said what you think to be accurate is wrong. I did say that what you think to be accurate does not hold for everyone, especially those who love God and choose to worship Him. I merely asked you a few questions and you gave me your answers. Point blank.

I would like to ask you one more question (if you don't mind). Do you believe in the devil?

 

[JayRob]

Really, there is no difference in Christians questioning nonbelievers/atheists/agonostics about the Bible. But I do know that most Christians offer God and His Word to nonbelievers/atheists/agonostics; the decision whether to accept Him or not is entirely up to that person. Just like God Himself, whosoever will, let him come.......He gave us free will but doesn't want anyone who does not want to freely and lovingly give themselves to Him. So I guess what I'm saying is that most Christians offer God to others who don't know Him, let the person decided, and push on. Jesus Himself told His disciples to go from house to house and offer the Word. He told them if any accept Him, bless him and his house. For those who don't, Jesus told them to shake the dust off their feet and move on.

Not exactly true. A large number of Christians persecute others who don't believe in their brand of religion. The Crusaders killed folks who didn't believe in their god. The biblical god commanded his people to eradicate whole nations of men, women, children and babies if they didn't bow down to him.
On top of that, the biblical god has promised to sentence folks to burning in fire forever if they didn't choose to follow him. Is that love to order someone to burn forever?

And I never said you encouraged anyone to turn away from their religion or turn away from God. I did say that I've never seen anyone so adamant about proving what believers believe about God wrong. And I'm also aware that it's not your decision to try to dissuade believers otherwise; a true committed faithful believer would not be discouraged by what anyone says against God, no matter what.

As a matter of fact, I've had Christians on this forum to try and dissuade me from believing what I believe in spite of the fact that I've shown them where certain errors were made in the bible. That didn't seem to phase them one bit.

And I never said what you think to be accurate is wrong. I did say that what you think to be accurate does not hold for everyone, especially those who love God and choose to worship Him. I merely asked you a few questions and you gave me your answers. Point blank.

If a person can show me where I'm wrong, I'll put forth every effort to objectively look at it. I don't know if I can say the same about some religious folks.

I would like to ask you one more question (if you don't mind). Do you believe in the devil?

I don't believe in the bible's version of a devil, however I do believe that there are evil energy powers that are unseen by the human eye such as ghosts. Those ghosts could be the spirits of humans who have passed on or some other negative energy from another dimension such as a poltergeist, nevertheless, I don't believe in the bible's version of an evil being who led a third of the angels away from the biblical god.

 

[96lioness]

Not exactly true. A large number of Christians persecute others who don't believe in their brand of religion. The Crusaders killed folks who didn't believe in their god. The biblical god commanded his people to eradicate whole nations of men, women, children and babies if they didn't bow down to him.
On top of that, the biblical god has promised to sentence folks to burning in fire forever if they didn't choose to follow him. Is that love to order someone to burn forever?


Yes, I know from history that Christians would persecute atheists/agonostics/devil worshippers/nonbelievers for their black magic, blasphemous ways, etc. The Salem Witch Hunt is another example. I've also read about atheists/agonostics/devil worshippers doing the same to Christians. I vividly remember reading (back when I was in high school) about a teenage boy who was a member of a satanic cult. When it was his time to show his devotion and declare his servitude, he was supposed to cut the throat of a woman and to be offered as a sacrifice to the devil. I guess he quickly denounced his satanic beliefs because he refused and admitted he was just curious. He was brutually beaten to death for this. I also remember reading how a couple's baby was kidnapped by satanic worshippers and offered as a sacrifice. The couple refused to denouced their Christianity and were devout Christians. So, I guess it's safe to say that both Christians and nonbelievers are zealous about their beliefs and their efforts to convert others to their practices.


As for the question, "Is that love to order someone to burn forever?"......I still believe that God gave man/woman free will. The decision to choose eternal life or eternal damnation, to serve Him or serve the devil, to do right or do wrong, to love or to hate, to obey Him or disobey Him lies within us. I do believe, however, that because God loves us so much, He gave us general and specific instruction on how to live forever with Him and how we can be saved, as well as warn us of the consequences of our behavior. Just like robbing a bank......you choose to rob the bank therefore you pay the consequences of your choice by going to jail. God won't send you to hell, but He will allow you to go based on your own personal choices/decisions. That's always been my opionion.


As a matter of fact, I've had Christians on this forum to try and dissuade me from believing what I believe in spite of the fact that I've shown them where certain errors were made in the bible. That didn't seem to phase them one bit.


Yes, I've read some of the posters comments about you and what they have say about your attempts to show errors/inaccuracies about the Holy Bible. I guess they are not phased because some know God to be real because He lives within them. Just like you are not phased by their attempts to prove you wrong.



If a person can show me where I'm wrong, I'll put forth every effort to objectively look at it. I don't know if I can say the same about some religious folks.



I don't believe in the bible's version of a devil, however I do believe that there are evil energy powers that are unseen by the human eye such as ghosts. Those ghosts could be the spirits of humans who have passed on or some other negative energy from another dimension such as a poltergeist, nevertheless, I don't believe in the bible's version of an evil being who led a third of the angels away from the biblical god.

Again, thank you for answering my questions. And now, I respectfully digress.

 

[JayRob]

I've also read about atheists/agonostics/devil worshippers doing the same to Christians.

Why do you mention atheists and agnostics in the same sentence with devil worshippers? Seems to me that Christians are more knowledgeable and linked to the devil because for one, he's mentioned in their book and he was created by their god.

So, I guess it's safe to say that both Christians and nonbelievers are zealous about their beliefs and their efforts to convert others to their practices.

You can say it, but according to history, it wouldn't be accurate. Atheists and agnostics have never gone on nearly as many slaughtering sprees as have Christians in an effort to convert folks to their religion. The Crusades, Romans, English and German leadership over hundreds and hundreds of years have been guilty of slaughtering millions.

As for the question, "Is that love to order someone to burn forever?"......

You forgot to answer "yes" or "no". Is it true "love and justice" to sentence human beings to burn forever (millions/billions of years into the future), eventhough he has only sinned for no more than 90 years?

Yes, I've read some of the posters comments about you and what they have say about your attempts to show errors/inaccuracies about the Holy Bible. I guess they are not phased because some know God to be real because He lives within them. Just like you are not phased by their attempts to prove you wrong.

The question was, "did I ever personally ask someone to renounce their Christianity?" No.
I merely ask folks to look at both sides of the equation and to think and prove what's in the bible is true or false. Not just the bible, but any religion for that matter.

On the other hand, have folks tried to get me to buy into the bible WITHOUT looking at the other side? Why do you think they don't want me to look at the other side?

Again, thank you for answering my questions. And now, I respectfully digress.

Thanks for asking.

 

[JayRob]

It's amazing that the most popular bible translation was written and authorized by one of the most prestigious homosexuals of his day.....King James.

 

[dacontinent]

It's amazing that the most popular bible translation was written and authorized by one of the most prestigious homosexuals of his day.....King James.

Try again. King James did not translate any of the Bible.

 

[JayRob]

Try again. King James did not translate any of the Bible.

It was done in his name and he authorized it, so whose is it? Now you try again.

 

[dacontinent]

It was done in his name and he authorized it, so whose is it? Now you try again.

I'm not defending the guy. He was who he was. You said that he wrote it but he didn't. Just setting the record straight.

 

[JayRob]

I'm not defending the guy. He was who he was. You said that he wrote it but he didn't. Just setting the record straight.

Nevermind the semantics, a homosexual was responsible for the King James version of the bible. Go figure.

 

[dacontinent]

Nevermind the semantics, a homosexual was responsible for the King James version of the bible. Go figure.

What is the problem? He authorized translation to the language of his people. His contemporary opponents commended him for his high moral character. Still, you choose to believe the sole claim of a guy who was kicked out of James' royal court and comes along 25 years after James is dead. Go back to science; history is not your strength.

 

[JayRob]

What is the problem? He authorized translation to the language of his people. His contemporary opponents commended him for his high moral character. Still, you choose to believe the sole claim of a guy who was kicked out of James' royal court and comes along 25 years after James is dead. Go back to science; history is not your strength.

Dacon not bragging or anything, but fact of the matter is that I routinely run circles around most everything you post, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the non-credible history of the bible, so I KNOW you don't want to go there. LOL!!

It was a known fact that King James was a homosexual. Go back and do your homework. Don't fret though, he only copied what was already fiction, so no big deal that a known homosexual is responsible for the book most Christians are fond of.

Here are my sources:

How many folks know that King James (who commissioned the King James Bible and to whom it was dedicated) loved men and had sex with them? At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esme to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France.

Later, James fell in love with a poor young Scotsman named Robert Carr. "The king leans on his [Carr's] arm, pinches his cheeks, smooths his ruffled garment, and when he looks upon Carr, directs his speech to others." (Thomas Howard, Earl of Suffolk, in a letter, 1611)

Carr eventually ended the relationship after which the king expressed his dissatisfaction in a letter to Carr, "I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary...Remember that (since I am king) all your being, except your breathing and soul, is from me." (See The Letters of King James I & VI, ed., G. P. V. Akrigg, Univ. of Calif. Press, 1984. Also see Royal Family, Royal Lovers: King James of England and Scotland, David M. Bergeron, Univ. of Missouri Press, 1991)

James's sexual orientation was so widely known that Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it in public saying "King Elizabeth" had been succeeded by "Queen James."
- Catherine D. Bowen, The Lion and the Throne

King James 1 was a known homosexual who murdered his young lovers and victimized countless heretics and women. His cruelty was justified by his "divine right" of kings.
- Otto J. Scott, James the First

 

[96lioness]

The Holy Bible may have been authorized to be translated in English by an alleged homosexual king, but what's amazing (and ironic)is that it just continues to prove that God will and can use anybody to do His work! Harlots, thieves, murderers, adulterers, etc......and yet God's Word has touched and continues to touch the body, soul, and spirit of those who love and accept Him!

And the best part is that the alleged sexual preference of King James didn't stop millions from believing the Word!

 

[JayRob]

The Holy Bible may have been authorized to be translated in English by an alleged homosexual king, but what's amazing (and ironic)is that it just continues to prove that God will and can use anybody to do His work! Harlots, thieves, murderers, adulterers, etc......and yet God's Word has touched and continues to touch the body, soul, and spirit of those who love and accept Him!

And the best part is that the alleged sexual preference of King James didn't stop millions from believing the Word!

The translations of books from other religions by different men didn't stop millions of their subjects from following their god either. There are nuggets of wisdom in all religious books regarding love, forgiveness, mercy, etc.

King James had ulterior motives for translating the bible to the English language. It had nothing to do with a god using him.

At the time, other English Bibles existed, but King James did not like the most popular translation, the Geneva Bible, because he felt that some of the marginal notes encouraged disobedience to kings. So when a Puritan scholar, Dr. John Reynolds, suggested a new English translation of the Bible at a 1604 conference of bishops and theologians at Hampton Court Palace, King James readily agreed.

Simply put, he wanted to keep his subjects loyal to the state and to those in authority. How? In Romans 13, the bible commands it's followers to follow it's rulers because they supposedly were ordained of god to be in power.
THIS is the reason King James was translated. He continued to practice his homosexual lifestyle.

 

[dacontinent]

...Simply put, he wanted to keep his subjects loyal to the state and to those in authority. How? In Romans 13, the bible commands it's followers to follow it's rulers because they supposedly were ordained of god to be in power.
THIS is the reason King James was translated. He continued to practice his homosexual lifestyle.

Really? That's what the Geneva Bible says, too.

 

[JayRob]

Really? That's what the Geneva Bible says, too.

Whether it says that or not is irrelevant. The subject was King James, his life style and how he had influence over the King James version translation.

 

[dacontinent]

Whether it says that or not is irrelevant. The subject was King James, his life style and how he had influence over the King James version translation.

If it is irrelevant, then you should not have brought it up.

James sponsored the translation, but he is not the issue either. Whatt is at issue is the accuracy of the translation. If James' sexuality is said to have had an influence on the translation, then the translation should reflect that.

 

[JayRob]

If it is irrelevant, then you should not have brought it up.

James sponsored the translation, but he is not the issue either. Whatt is at issue is the accuracy of the translation. If James' sexuality is said to have had an influence on the translation, then the translation should reflect that.

The translation reflects the fact that the man wanted people to be loyal to the king and government. The translation reflects the fact that the man hated women, even to the point of having his own mother killed.
Look at how the bible treats it's women and allows for them to be treated in both the Old and New Testament. Women were treated as third class citizens. Paul commanded them not to speak in church and TO KEEP SILENT. That's some equality isn't it?

Why is this particular version called "The Authorized Version"? Who authorized it before it was allowed to go into print? A known homosexual and hater of women named King James, so yes, the translation does reflect who he was as a person.