Why Not Us?

[Tigerpride]

But You Know the Thing is that those other schools get a win ever now and then. They make a run in the Tournament every now and then.. But we never make a Run... Do you Understand that WE NEVER do anything... morgan State Beat maryland and Arknsas in Back to Back years... When was the last time (other then the recent PB win) have we beat anyone one OOC that had a winning record?

So what if Morgan beat two teams in 200 tries? big friggin deal. They also lost to SCState and teams not as highly regarded as Maryland and Arkansas. :noidea:

The other schools make a run because of their seed and conference RPI. The SWAC can make a run too but we can't have teams like Grambling and Alcorn keeping the conference RPI down. Who says UAPB can't beat Morgan State.

...and not that it really matters but Arkansas did not have a winning record. They were probably close to the bottom of the SEC which makes them a winnable game for us.

 

[Kendrick]

There won't even be an NIT in a few years once the tournament expands to 96. And the sad part is that the SWAC and MEAC will still be one-bid leagues.

 

[mighty hornet]

the NIT championship is an attainable goal for where we are.

:lol::lol:

That championship is about as "attainable" as the "real" championship. Using this year, enroute to "winning" the NIT, Jsu would've already had to beat teams from the SEC and then the ACC, both on the road.

wake up!

 

[crazylegs]

What exactly is their goal? As I ask the MEAC all the time. If they win the 1-AA national championship in 2025, is it worth it? :lol: Slippery Rock, Cornell and others (BTW, Cornell ain't exactly a small school...lol) are not competing for a national championship. They are just playing in the NCAA tournament. Next year, they probably won't even make the NIT.

Had Cornell played Duke in the first round, they would be at home right now. They benefit from RPI. The SWAC needs a higher RPI and UAPB might be Cornell right now. Just like I don't care about people saying JSU is 0-12 in the playoffs. We played the national champ in most of those years so no one else they played beat them either. Give us a lower seed and we might have been a 2 to 3 win team in the playoffs. It's all about the seed and the RPI. That is why we all need to wish each other well. We need 10 strong programs. Anything less will give us a 16th seed even IF our champion had to ability to beat some NCAA teams in the field of 64.

The goal is putting a COMPETITIVE product on the floor that can realistically raise the profile of this conference as a whole in basketball. We're in the play-in game because of the quality of the product we put on the floor, plain and simple.

I dunno about you, but it irks the heyal outof me to see a SWAC school in the play-in game every year, much less looking awful doing it. UAPB bucked that trend this year, but collectively it's been like this for WAY too long.

Talk about Cornell??? Drop Cornell this year in the SWAC and watch them win the conference with their eyes closed. Why? Because the overall product thats on the court stinks. That's not tearing other HBCU's down; It's reality. The MEAC is starting to get it; but there are still at least 5 schools that actually have to take this seriously in order to right the ship.

At some point, our institutions need to INVEST into building programs. You think the CAA or the Missouri Valley conference is doing something other-worldly to put a competitive product on the court? Those cats are recruiting 1 and 2 star talent like we are. the difference is that (collectively) these schools have coaches and infrastructure in place to maximize that talent when it gets here.

the bottom line is keeping to ourselves isn't going to solve this problem, at least not in basketball. You've got to play the game. That means actually recruiting and coaching effectively. Playing against one another doesn't do any good if our conference as a whole isn't even REMOTELY comperable to the competition level everybody else is at.

 

[stroke]

I wish some SWAC team would take on a MEAC school in the near future, Maybe since some believe that we are on equal level with the MEAC we will get a win or 2 and stay out the play in Game... hopefully it want turn out like football has turned out..

 

[BULL DAWG]

One thing you have to remember is that going 0-12 against teams with high RPI will help our RPI better than going 12-0 against teams with low RPI. It's a catch 22.

Man, you a got to be crazy. Losing to a high RPI is better than losing to a low RPI, but ain't no way in hell losing gonna ever count more than winning. If that's the case everybody would face killer schedules.

If that's the case, why the hell we damn last in conference RPI? As many gurantee games we play we should be the top mid-major conference in the land.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html :retard:

 

[skyvolt2000]

So what if Morgan beat two teams in 200 tries? big friggin deal. They also lost to SCState and teams not as highly regarded as Maryland and Arkansas. :noidea:

The other schools make a run because of their seed and conference RPI. The SWAC can make a run too but we can't have teams like Grambling and Alcorn keeping the conference RPI down. Who says UAPB can't beat Morgan State.

...and not that it really matters but Arkansas did not have a winning record. They were probably close to the bottom of the SEC which makes them a winnable game for us.

Arkansas was ranked 159. You take away the SWAC games and the lowest ranked team they beat was LSU. In fact Delaware State was ranked higher than LSU.

And not all of those teams the MEAC beat took 200 tries. They beat up on the American East on the norm.

The key for teams like Morgan State, UNI and others is that they found a set of teams that they could beat or run with.

Who does Cornell normally play?

American East
Ivy League
MAC * (Buffalo)
MAAC *
Patriot League* (Colgate, Army & Bucknell are their main victims)
Big East (The Orangemen account for most of their wins)
*=winning record
In fact a lot of their wins are the big dogs in thier conferences-teams that do make the tourneys

 

[Panther88]

The key for teams like Morgan State, UNI and others is that they found a set of teams that they could beat or run with.

The key for teams like Morgan St, UNI, and others is that they have the student-athletes who seemingly have great understanding of the game and they play it well, while also are being directed quite well. :smh: If you think I'm lieing, look @ footage of your past year's squad and don't pay attention to what's occurring w/ the person who has the ball-geeeeeeeeeez, look @ the other 4 on the floor and pay attention to what THEY are doing on offense. That's REAL basketball, in case some of you didn't know that. :read: :emlaugh: :lol: I won't go into defense because if you're so bball naive that REAL basketball is played by the 4 w/out the ball.....====> :retard:

I don't know why quite a few of you don't see that, it's too simple lmao.

 

[In_The_662]

Man, you a got to be crazy. Losing to a high RPI is better than losing to a low RPI, but ain't no way in hell losing gonna ever count more than winning. If that's the case everybody would face killer schedules.

If that's the case, why the hell we damn last in conference RPI? As many gurantee games we play we should be the top mid-major conference in the land.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html :retard:

Thats whats up... why you dont think you hear about RPI and SOS until January? Because by the time we play UAPB, the SWAC always has the best RPI and SOS in the country.... :noidea: :lol:

But when all those 1-10 teams are playing each other in the same conference... there you go :noidea: :shame:

 

[Panther88]

While I'm @ it. lol

Look your squad's shooting %/FT %/O-rebounding % vs others/D-rebounding % over vs others and tell us what you find. :emlaugh: It's just tooooooooooooooooooooooo simple. lol

Tier I.
Tier II.
Tier III.

As a <b>team</b>, what "tier" is your team? :read: The onesies-twosies Tier "I"s doth not a team make. lol

 

[crazylegs]

The key for teams like Morgan St, UNI, and others is that they have the student-athletes who seemingly have great understanding of the game and they play it well, while also are being directed quite well. :smh: If you think I'm lieing, look @ footage of your past year's squad and don't pay attention to what's occurring w/ the person who has the ball-geeeeeeeeeez, look @ the other 4 on the floor and pay attention to what THEY are doing on offense. That's REAL basketball, in case some of you didn't know that. :read: :emlaugh: :lol: I won't go into defense because if you're so bball naive that REAL basketball is played by the 4 w/out the ball.....====> :retard:

I don't know why quite a few of you don't see that, it's too simple lmao.

*lol*

Panther, some of these folks don't get it...Fan affiliation aside (we're all proud of our programs), try watching a typical SWAC game from start to finish in comparison to a CAA, MVC, Horizon, heck even a MEAC game and tell me what's wrong with that picture.

fundementally :retard::retard::shame::shame::vomit:

We've had squads that have had some really good athletes (some of our squads at Bama State in recent years had some good building blocks and legit D1 talent), but collectively the conference looks like they came out of a rec league in terms of basketball fundementals, preparation, and execution.

 

[mighty hornet]

The key for teams like Morgan St, UNI, and others is that they have the student-athletes who seemingly have great understanding of the game and they play it well, while also are being directed quite well. :smh: If you think I'm lieing, look @ footage of your past year's squad and don't pay attention to what's occurring w/ the person who has the ball-geeeeeeeeeez, look @ the other 4 on the floor and pay attention to what THEY are doing on offense. That's REAL basketball, in case some of you didn't know that. :read: :emlaugh: :lol: I won't go into defense because if you're so bball naive that REAL basketball is played by the 4 w/out the ball.....====> :retard:

I don't know why quite a few of you don't see that, it's too simple lmao.

Yes, Morgan State had a good team and a good season. But I disagree that they were playing at some level way above us and other MEAC teams. I saw 'em lose to SC State in the reg season and saw 'em struggle to beat SC State in the MEAC championship. Throughout the year, they had quite a few close calls against other MEAC teams. Good team yes, level above, no. Actually, I don't see what they did as much different than a SWAC school having a good team and good season. Looking at their stats, they shot 42% for the year. ASU had a good team and a good season last year. For the year, ASU shot 46%.
Also, Morgan's scheduling is MUCH different than SWAC scheduling. Their preconference schedule included Albany, Baltimore County, East Tn State, Appalachian St, Loyola, Manhattan, Towson, Eastern Ky, Robt Morris. Because Morgan is a good team, they were able to beat some of those teams, enroute to a good record. But give a good SWAC team a preconference schedule like that, and its not inconceivable that the SWAC team could also beat some of those teams too.

But most SWAC teams preconference schedule consists mostly of the money games and we know what happens then.........

 

[Panther88]

Yes, Morgan State had a good team and a good season. But I disagree that they were playing at some level way above us and other MEAC teams. I saw 'em lose to SC State in the reg season and saw 'em struggle to beat SC State in the MEAC championship. Throughout the year, they had quite a few close calls against other MEAC teams. Good team yes, level above, no. Actually, I don't see what they did as much different than a SWAC school having a good team and good season. Looking at their stats, they shot 42% for the year. ASU had a good team and a good season last year. For the year, ASU shot 46%.
Also, Morgan's scheduling is MUCH different than SWAC scheduling. Their preconference schedule included Albany, Baltimore County, East Tn State, Appalachian St, Loyola, Manhattan, Towson, Eastern Ky, Robt Morris. Because Morgan is a good team, they were able to beat some of those teams, enroute to a good record. But give a good SWAC team a preconference schedule like that, and its not inconceivable that the SWAC team could also beat some of those teams too.

But most SWAC teams preconference schedule consists mostly of the money games and we know what happens then.........

You're right MH. It's because collectively there aren't enough tier Is dressed in our respective school's uniforms.

LOL @ "good team." I gave the main ingredient for it already. lol

 

[Tigerpride]

Man, you a got to be crazy. Losing to a high RPI is better than losing to a low RPI, but ain't no way in hell losing gonna ever count more than winning. If that's the case everybody would face killer schedules.

If that's the case, why the hell we damn last in conference RPI? As many gurantee games we play we should be the top mid-major conference in the land.

http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html :retard:

If you beat 12 teams with a low RPI, it is not going to help your RPI much at all. Of course, it will help but it won't raise your RPI as much as losing to the high RPI teams. SOS is a big deal in these calculations.

 

[Tigerpride]

Also, it would be very selfish of our bball programs not to play the money games knowing that you have 12 other programs relying on that $$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[Panther88]

Also, it would be very selfish of our bball programs not to play the money games knowing that you have 12 other programs relying on that $$$$$$$$$$$.

:clap:

You understand the dilemma. We have to work with what we attract and retain in a system that guarantees failure due to the budget constraints, considering what we're placing on the court of play and even along the sidelines coaching :read:. Every now and then (minutely), we'll find some who are competitive and as a team are gel'd to a point where they can actually compete and NOT get blown out (thinks back on PV's champ run year and we never had a real "big" man lol although there was somebody in the paint @ 7'0 and 270+lbs lol). Every blue moon though. :read:

 

[mighty hornet]

Also, it would be very selfish of our bball programs not to play the money games knowing that you have 12 other programs relying on that $$$$$$$$$$$.

well if you accept that, then you also accept the money game scheduling and you should also accept that we will, more often than not, have the 16th seed because we will absorb many losses from playing the money schedulea. So, you are content then, right? (PLEASE save that about going to the NIT)

I already posted MEAC winner Morgan's preconference schedule, which aint a money schedule, even though they played a few of the "money games". Won some of those preconference games and got a 15 seed.
SWAC winner PB played a money schedule, started 0-11, and ended up in the play-in game.

 

[Tigerpride]

I wish some SWAC team would take on a MEAC school in the near future, Maybe since some believe that we are on equal level with the MEAC we will get a win or 2 and stay out the play in Game... hopefully it want turn out like football has turned out..

Don't be fooled by the MEAC vs SWAC football record. In basketball, if you put Morgan and SCState up against Alcorn and Southern, it's not a fair comparision if the MEAC comes out 2-0. 90% of the MEACs wins over us are against 2 and 3 win teams. I don't think Morgan and SCState would beat JSU and UAPB in bball, much less run us off the floor.

MH, thanks for proving my point. If you think we can't win the NIT, why the fugg are we in the NCAA tourney? :lol:

Also, we can win on their floor. Two years ago, JSU came up here and beat Rutgers on their floor. Also, with the right seed, we might get a home game like JSU did in 1993. None of the #1 seeds are still in the NIT. All you have is a bunch of 2's, 3's, and 4's so obviously a lot of teams lost on their home courts! The NIT is just as much as an acheiveable goal for us as the NCAA playoffs.

Also, MH, please compare JSU's OOC schedule to Morgan State's. Our schedule is not "money game" heavy. For one, JSU makes more money than most SWAC schools during football season so we can do fewer money games in bball. What was Morgan? ...a 15th seed? In the bball version of the "week later theory", I would love for JSU to play some of those teams we played in the beginning of the season again. We were a clueless team back then.

 

[Tigerpride]

well if you accept that, then you also accept the money game scheduling and you should also accept that we will, more often than not, have the 16th seed because we will absorb many losses from playing the money schedulea. So, you are content then, right? (PLEASE save that about going to the NIT)

I already posted MEAC winner Morgan's preconference schedule, which aint a money schedule, even though they played a few of the "money games". Won some of those preconference games and got a 15 seed.
SWAC winner PB played a money schedule, started 0-11, and ended up in the play-in game.

PB also lost 5 SWAC games. That had to kill their RPI. If SCState had won the MEAC tourney, they would have been in Dayton playing UAPB. I don't think JSU would have ended up in the play-in game had we won in Shreveport.

 

[mighty hornet]

I don't think Morgan and SCState would beat JSU and UAPB in bball, much less run us off the floor.

I don't know who would win, but I certainly don't think Morgan and SC State play at a level thats way beyond the SWAC teams.

MH, thanks for proving my point. If you think we can't win the NIT, why the fugg are we in the NCAA tourney? :lol:

ummmm, I don't think we can win it either. But that doesnt mean we cant dream and play 'em in it. On selection Sunday, we ALL know there are only a few teams with a legit shot to win the thing, but that NEVER has and NEVER will lessen the joy on selection Sunday or being in the Big Dance. There aint much joy for anybody in getting in the NIT. Nobody dreams of one shining moment in the NIT. And wasnt it YOU who just posted that a last place team in the ACC would beat the SWAC's best team. Don't you realize that the NIT have teams from the ACCs and the SECs of the world? Again, for this year, Jsu would've had to beat Ms State, then beat UNC. I won't ask you if you would bet anything on the odds of that happening.

Two years ago, JSU came up here and beat Rutgers on their floor.

and to think, it was YOU who attempted to discount Morgan's win over a bad Arkansas team. Four years ago, you eked out a 1 point win over a Rutgers team that went 10-20 and finished in last place. If that is what you're hanging your hat on, then........

Also, with the right seed, we might get a home game like JSU did in 1993.

wow, because you got a home game 17 years ago, you just might get another now, huh? :scared:
Again, if that is what you're hanging your hat on, then.........

Also, MH, please compare JSU's OOC schedule to Morgan State's.

I guess yall didn't load up on as many money games as some SWAC schools. But the difference is Morgan State was able to win some games against mid majors and beat a major. Jsu didn't win any.

 

[stroke]

Also, it would be very selfish of our bball programs not to play the money games knowing that you have 12 other programs relying on that $$$$$$$$$$$.

1st off Lets be Real, those money games arent saving 12 other Programs. Save that excuse, please.. Plus most of the other programs Cost lil to nothing to run and Considering that $500 will feed some teams (Volleyball, Softball, Soccer) for a weekend, then if we as Alumni get off our azz, we can Cover that every now and then. We running around acting Like we dont get title 9 money, state money, Football Money, NCAA money, some sponser Money and Conference money.. So if the money is managed correctly, we want need so many Money Games.
2nd going into the tournament means and winning also brings in a Paycheck, so Getting a Good Seed and winning will equal all those Money games...

 

[chrisd]

Jackson State's RPI ended up being worse than UAPB's after the SWAC tournament. They were more than 20 spots behind the next lowest RPI in the field (Winthrop). J State would have been in the play-in game as well if they won the SWAC tournament. The only RPI top 200 team JSU beat this season was UAPB.

 

[stroke]

If you believe that PB can beat Morgan State, then Im pretty sure that you didnt see Morgan State play this year.. You might have caught the end of the West Virgina game but you didnt see the rest of the game. Jackson state had a Chance but not PB..
I Understand Conference Pride but Morgan State is just better..

 

[chrisd]

Morgan State was a damn good team this year. Unfortunately for them, Arkansas tanked at the end of the season, so their "statement" victory didn't mean as much. Morgan went on the road and almost knocked off Murray State in the BracketBuster, but their RPI was pulled down by 1) the rest of their conference and 2) playing some BAD teams out-of-conference. Albany and UMBC both ended with 300+ RPI's, which isn't a normal occurance for those two schools.

 

[skyvolt2000]

PB also lost 5 SWAC games. That had to kill their RPI. If SCState had won the MEAC tourney, they would have been in Dayton playing UAPB. I don't think JSU would have ended up in the play-in game had we won in Shreveport.

That would never happen. The NCAAP doesn't want lip from the NAACP with the MEAC vs SWAC in that game.

ScState would have been a 16th seed elsewhere. One or the other would be in that game. ScState beat High Point & Furman. Who did J-State beat OOC? Eastern Washington.
Only thing would have happened was J-State vs Kentucky.

Chris is right some of the teams that Morgan State beat had an off year this year. Albany & UMBC tend to be in the mix in thier respective conference. The teams the MEAC beat are generally the big dog or semi big dogs in thier conferences.

try watching a typical SWAC game from start to finish in comparison to a CAA, MVC, Horizon, heck even a MEAC game and tell me what's wrong with that picture.

I was ready to throw a chair at the TV watching Southern basketball. It was horrible. I watched some of the worst teams play each other in the Big 10 & Mountian West. I thought I was watching teams fighting for the championship. Big difference.