Abortion billboards stir racial debate


I can't hear the video but I think Mary Mitchell, columnist for Chicago Suntimes, wrote about this last week...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/2050322,CST-NWS-mitch16.article

Black women don't need guilt trip from abortion billboard


Shame of abortions is burden of entire black community

February 16, 2010

BY MARY MITCHELL Sun-Times Columnist

There are certain things that only God can sort out. Abortion is one of them.

Although most of us, whatever our religious beliefs, respect a woman's right to choose, there are others who believe abortion is the taking of human life.

I know better than to tell another woman what to do should she suffer an unwanted pregnancy.

Life can take such twists and turns that during rough periods it takes all of your strength just to keep you going.

And let's face it: Some of us are so self-centered we can't handle the detour of an unplanned pregnancy.

Still, I wouldn't want to point any woman toward an abortion clinic. For some women -- in the quiet moments of their regrets -- they will hear the cry of that unborn child.

Nor would I want to urge another woman to bring into the world a child that she believes she is unable to take care of.

Thirty-seven years after Roe vs. Wade, the weight of exercising the right to end an unwanted pregnancy is still a personal burden each woman carries alone.

That is why I find the billboard campaign that targets black women with a frightening anti-abortion message disturbing.

The ad, which has gone up across Atlanta, features a beautiful black baby and the words: Black Children Are An Endangered Species.

Honestly, black women can't catch a break.

Black children are gunned down disproportionately in the streets, and now anti-abortion advocates are suggesting that black women are committing genocide.

These are the facts:

Thirty-seven percent of abortions occur to black women, 34 percent to non-Hispanic white women and 22 percent to Hispanic women, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

Nationally, black women were three times more likely to get an abortion than white women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Women who are most likely to have an abortion are black women ages 18-24 who are either separated or unmarried and have annual incomes of less than $15,000 or have Medicaid.

Women who have never married obtain two-thirds of all abortions, and 60 percent of women who have abortions have at least one child.

Given the single, never-been-married status of so many black women, is it really "shocking" that black women are three times more likely to get an abortion than white women?

I'm not shocked. I'm saddened.

While I applaud the black ministers who are leading the charge to educate black women about the alarming abortion rate, these men are failing to address the root of this problem.

How often are men urged, from the pulpit, to practice safe and responsible sex?

Where are the billboards that urge black men to marry their baby's mamas so these women see their children as blessings and not mistakes?

The shame of these abortions is the shame of an entire community -- not of black women.

Unfortunately, through our laws and policies, we have convinced these young women that an unborn child is not a human being.

And we have persuaded them that there is little difference between the morning after and a few weeks down the road.

But while a much quieter debate, abortion always has been a divisive issue in the African-American community.

In "African-American Women and Abortion," an essay by Loretta J. Ross that traces the advocacy of black women in the planned parenting movement, the author noted that both the "left" and the "right" aligned themselves against black women when it came to birth control.

"That such disparate forces aligned themselves against African-American women demonstrated that both white bigots and black sexists could find common cause in the assertion of male authority over women's decision regarding reproduction," Ross wrote
 



I don't understand these people. You don't want the to provide support for these women to take care of the baby, yet you want them to keep the baby.
 
I think that the problem lies much deeper than just aborting a child or keeping a child. Each year millions of dollars are spent by Blacks on abortions for whatever reason. When I was taking Economic Development courses at Southern Miss. 3 yrs ago I saw many studies that had been done within the U.S. and from outside the U.S. on our race and the declining population in this country. When Abortion, Aids, Obesity, lack of Health Coverage, and adding the fact that more affluent black families are having less children, if any. The reality is that by the numbers this is fact. For example in my family my grandparents had 5 children and only 1 of their children had over 2 and that was my father who has 3, and of us grand children the majority only have 1 or 2 children and aren't interested in having any more because the belief is that we can't "afford" to have any more. I do believe that the money that is spent on making people "aware" would be much better spent educating them on certain matters such as birth control and teaching single parents trades and other skills so that they can see alternatives to financially providing for their struggling families. Much of the money that is spent on coping with problems could be spent on educating our people so that many of our ills can be prevented.
 
I think that the problem lies much deeper than just aborting a child or keeping a child. Each year millions of dollars are spent by Blacks on abortions for whatever reason. When I was taking Economic Development courses at Southern Miss. 3 yrs ago I saw many studies that had been done within the U.S. and from outside the U.S. on our race and the declining population in this country. When Abortion, Aids, Obesity, lack of Health Coverage, and adding the fact that more affluent black families are having less children, if any. The reality is that by the numbers this is fact. For example in my family my grandparents had 5 children and only 1 of their children had over 2 and that was my father who has 3, and of us grand children the majority only have 1 or 2 children and aren't interested in having any more because the belief is that we can't "afford" to have any more. I do believe that the money that is spent on making people "aware" would be much better spent educating them on certain matters such as birth control and teaching single parents trades and other skills so that they can see alternatives to financially providing for their struggling families. Much of the money that is spent on coping with problems could be spent on educating our people so that many of our ills can be prevented.

On the world wide scale, there is direct correlation between declining birth rates and prosperity.
 
Thanks for the comments but, where are all the ladies? I would really like to hear what some women have think about this issue.
 
We "somewhat" discussed abortions in the Black community recently...

http://www.tspnsports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87419

I think with any issue in the Black community the root of the problem is always deeper than the main issue. In my opinion, all of the issues in the Black community trace back to slavery/reparations/racism/segration/integration/etc.

I agree with Mary Mitchell's statement where she says,
"While I applaud the black ministers who are leading the charge to educate black women about the alarming abortion rate, these men are failing to address the root of this problem.
How often are men urged, from the pulpit, to practice safe and responsible sex?
Where are the billboards that urge black men to marry their baby's mamas so these women see their children as blessings and not mistakes?"


I don't think abortion is an issue in the Black community as much as rape, violence, drugs, education, economic means, etc. Abortion wouldn't even come up in my Top 10 list.

I am Pro-Choice and think if a woman chooses to have an abortion...that that is her right. If a woman chooses to NOT have an abortion...that is her right as well.

I think Clergypeople should only preach anti-abortion b/c I do think abortions are against God's Will.

But again, I think a much bigger issue is not women having abortions...but men aborting their kids/families/communities.
 
I hope this is not a re-post if it is someone please merge. I am qurious to know what you guys think. Have at it family!

can someone attach the video in the thread? Sorry I don't know how to do that.

Taken from ABCnews!

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?lang=en&cl=18289961
  1. I think abortion is a AWFUL way to practice birth control.
  2. I believe that people who are not married should exercise abstinence. I would be interested to know the percentage of abortions for married persons.
  3. Based on what I saw from the story, the numbers of abortions for Black women in Georgia is clearly disproportionate to other races. Consequently, I would support the billboard.
 
How often are men urged, from the pulpit, to practice safe and responsible sex?
Where are the billboards that urge black men to marry their baby's mamas so these women see their children as blessings and not mistakes?"[/I]

This is very interesting. This past weekend my family celebrated my grandmother and her brother's birthdays. He made 97 and she made 90. At this celebration that was attended by approx. 200 family members and close friends there was an opportunity for those who have known them to give reflections. There was a man that is almost 90 yrs old as well that stood up and went to the mic to thank them for the example that they have set by living righteous lives. Then, he said there was something that was pressing on him that he had to say to the young men that were there. He said that we should look at our elders example and follow suit. "Shacking" was not anti-family and if a woman is "good enough to shack with, she is good enough to marry". This knocked most of us young men off our feet and made the women applaud. When we all went home I was discussing this issues with some family members and stated that men and women been doing their thang with one another without marraige liscenses for ages so why is my generation targeted. After thinking about it a few days though. He was absoulutely right. The reality is that men from their era for the most part farmed and raised their families with their wives. If his wife died then he would marry again but most men of their era didn't "shack". My uncle and his late wife had 16 children together. This is the legacy that we as African American men have. We should grab hold to it and hold it as tight as we can. We don't have to take what society tells us is acceptable behavior and allow that to set the bar for our moral beliefs. Instead we have only to look back at the and take a look at those who have "lived what they believed".......

Now anybody that knows me knows that I have a lot to work on, but I don't justify it. I just strive to get better daily......
 
How often are men urged, from the pulpit, to practice safe and responsible sex?
Where are the billboards that urge black men to marry their baby's mamas so these women see their children as blessings and not mistakes?"[/I]

This is very interesting. This past weekend my family celebrated my grandmother and her brother's birthdays. He made 97 and she made 90. At this celebration that was attended by approx. 200 family members and close friends there was an opportunity for those who have known them to give reflections. There was a man that is almost 90 yrs old as well that stood up and went to the mic to thank them for the example that they have set by living righteous lives. Then, he said there was something that was pressing on him that he had to say to the young men that were there. He said that we should look at our elders example and follow suit. "Shacking" was not anti-family and if a woman is "good enough to shack with, she is good enough to marry". This knocked most of us young men off our feet and made the women applaud. When we all went home I was discussing this issues with some family members and stated that men and women been doing their thang with one another without marraige liscenses for ages so why is my generation targeted. After thinking about it a few days though. He was absoulutely right. The reality is that men from their era for the most part farmed and raised their families with their wives. If his wife died then he would marry again but most men of their era didn't "shack". My uncle and his late wife had 16 children together. This is the legacy that we as African American men have. We should grab hold to it and hold it as tight as we can. We don't have to take what society tells us is acceptable behavior and allow that to set the bar for our moral beliefs. Instead we have only to look back at the and take a look at those who have "lived what they believed".......

Now anybody that knows me knows that I have a lot to work on, but I don't justify it. I just strive to get better daily......

Very nice!!!

I'm right there with you striving each day to get better!!! :clap:
 
I don't stay with my gf nor have any desire to live with each other prior to being engaged (sorry, I like my own space) but I have yet to find shacking in the bible. I seriously believe that is something that Black folks made up because they believe living with someone means you will fornicate.
 
I don't stay with my gf nor have any desire to live with each other prior to being engaged (sorry, I like my own space) but I have yet to find shacking in the bible. I seriously believe that is something that Black folks made up because they believe living with someone means you will fornicate.

You kind of answered your own question. :lol:

How many couples you know that are living together and not having sex? I'm not talking about the couples that are engaged and abstaining until marriage (and they actually get married, not stay engaged for YEARS)!


I can't name one couple I know that lived together and weren't sexually active. Even for my friends that were sexually active...then got engaged and didn't have sex during the engagement...they wouldn't/couldn't sleep in the same room together b/c of the temptation. :lol:
 
You kind of answered your own question. :lol:

How many couples you know that are living together and not having sex? I'm not talking about the couples that are engaged and abstaining until marriage (and they actually get married, not stay engaged for YEARS)!


I can't name one couple I know that lived together and weren't sexually active. Even for my friends that were sexually active...then got engaged and didn't have sex during the engagement...they wouldn't/couldn't sleep in the same room together b/c of the temptation. :lol:

Lol,
that is not the problem. The problem is black folks like to quote that like it is written in the bible. I remember when I first told my mother I didn't believe that the "act" of shacking itself was a sin, but was the pre-cursor to sinful things happening. That woman called me every type of heathen in the book. Lol, I have never said nothing about it since. :lol: She likes to tell her friends that she proud of me for not shacking. :shame::shame: If she only knew..lol.
 
Yeah I have never seen the term "shacking" in there either. Like previously stated though it's putting yourself in those situations that set you up for failure. And yall know we men gone try all of 10 seconds to hold out when we know it's in the other room..........:D

But I think a lot of that comes from the Word's instruction for a man to leave his mother and father and cling to his "wife".
 
How often are men urged, from the pulpit, to practice safe and responsible sex?
Where are the billboards that urge black men to marry their baby's mamas so these women see their children as blessings and not mistakes?"[/I]
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  1. Depends on the pulpit. My men, women, and teens hear it all the time.
  2. Marrying your baby's momma (as opposed to her already being your wife) is usually the wrong answer. Unfortunately, a great deal of these conceptions are occurring between people who are simply having "casual" sex who have no real feelings for each other beyond that. Don't complicate marriage and family by joining yourself to the wrong person SOLELY because a child was produced. Be a responsible father to take care of the child AND the mother. Marry only if that is the right person. Practice abstinence until you do find the right one.
 



Nationally, black women were three times more likely to get an abortion than white women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Women who are most likely to have an abortion are black women ages 18-24 who are either separated or unmarried and have annual incomes of less than $15,000 or have Medicaid.

Given the single, never-been-married status of so many black women, is it really "shocking" that black women are three times more likely to get an abortion than white women


Interesting, but what a lie! In have friends “black and whiteâ€￾ that works for Vital Statistics and a few that are doctors. The truth is white women have more abortions than any race, and however they are not reported as required by law. The abortions are performed by their personal physicians, whereas black have abortions at public clinics / hospital.
 
I have a problem, not with the fact that women are being targeted about this...but with the fact that BLACK women were being targeted.

Let me step down off this soapbox before I get even more pissed off...

~woooo saaaahhhh~
 
I think I may have set this up wrong. I wasn't really trying to start an aborting pro/con thread. I was intrested in what people thought about the billboards, and the one lady who said abortion is a method for women to control the timing and spacing of thier children and not having that option harkens back to slavery. I was like WHAT Tha!! Hell you can easily control the timing and spacing of children without abortions. That comment was :retard: If you are having multiple abortions for birth control why not just get fixed?
 
I say outside people need to STFU and stay out of others personal decisions.
Amazing how a small group of loudmouths on both sides can hold politicians and overall policy hostage on an issue that the majority of Americans don't GAS about.

Cut some of these taxes on single mofo's and we can talk.:lol:
 
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