Politics and College Football


kendrick said:
I really don't like Texas, Tech or OU. I just don't think it is fair that you beat a team head-to-head and you finish with the same record as them, but yet they advance and you don't.

Maybe these teams in an event of a 3-way tie should just play each other and decide it on the field. That is the only fair way I can think of instead of it off the field.

I mean, in MLB they have a one-game playoff to decide division winners or Wild Card winners.
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You might be right, but the best thing without a divisional playoff is the margin of points system and it has logic that works.
 
JAG89 said:
You might be right, but the best thing without a divisional playoff is the margin of points system and it has logic that works.
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What should be consider is that if you beat #1 and end with the same record then you should be going to the championship.

As far as swac...maybe we need to incorporate a system like the bcs to avoid coin flips? How hard can it be when all you need are math majors!
 



delock said:
What should be consider is that if you beat #1 and end with the same record then you should be going to the championship.

As far as swac...maybe we need to incorporate a system like the bcs to avoid coin flips? How hard can it be when all you need are math majors!
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You lost me on this one, because Texas beat Oklahoma, Texas Tech beat Texas, and Oklahoma beat Texas Tech. Each gotten beaten by one of each and that's their only lost.
 
JAG89 said:
You might be right, but the best thing without a divisional playoff is the margin of points system and it has logic that works.
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I like the flow of ideas we have here. Let's say going to the last game both Texas and OU had the same point differential. Texas plays first and beats A&M by 40 points and OU then beats OK State by 41 points.

How fair would it be for the Sooners to get to the Big 12 title game because they won by one more point than Texas even though they lost to them in the regular season?
 
kendrick said:
I like the flow of ideas we have here. Let's say going to the last game both Texas and OU had the same point differential. Texas plays first and beats A&M by 40 points and OU then beats OK State by 41 points.

How fair would it be for the Sooners to get to the Big 12 title game because they won by one more point than Texas even though they lost to them in the regular season?
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Like I said, make the margin of victory as the next step to a three way or more tie breaker and if there's a tie within the margin of victory, then go back to the head to head, because most likely one or more teams will drop out. If you keep doing this, teams would definitely drop out until you have one team standing. Like I said before, you better be ready to play every Saturday. It's pure logic and the best way to decide these types of tie breakers.
 
kendrick said:
I like the flow of ideas we have here. Let's say going to the last game both Texas and OU had the same point differential. Texas plays first and beats A&M by 40 points and OU then beats OK State by 41 points.

How fair would it be for the Sooners to get to the Big 12 title game because they won by one more point than Texas even though they lost to them in the regular season?
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OU then beats OK State by 20 points. Check the record. The score was 61 to 41.
 
kendrick said:
It was a hypothetical senario I was trying to bring forth.
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You cancel out hypotheticals by including the other 5 divisional opponents. Divisional opponents are the lowest common denominator in this system and we all know from math, if you want to add or subtract two or more fractions, you must change the denominator to the lowest or least common denominator (LCD).
 
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kendrick said:
I really don't like Texas, Tech or OU. I just don't think it is fair that you beat a team head-to-head and you finish with the same record as them, but yet they advance and you don't.

Maybe these teams in an event of a 3-way tie should just play each other and decide it on the field. That is the only fair way I can think of instead of it off the field.
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All of them did play each other......and if you wanted them to play again the same outcome could come about.

JAG89 said:
You might be right, but the best thing without a divisional playoff is the margin of points system and it has logic that works.
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A points system is not fair to none of the teams playing. You must look at when these teams played each other. It seems that OU had the better schedule than UT and TT.

Look at when UT had to play and the rankings of those teams before losing to then ranked #6 TT all in 4 straight weeks.

(1) Oklahoma W
(11) Missouri W
(7) Oklahoma State W
(6) Texas Tech L

Here is Texas Tech schedule during their run all in 4 straight weeks before losing to #5 ranked OU.

(19) Kansas W
(1) Texas W
(8) Oklahoma State W
(5) Oklahoma L

Here is OU's schedule, they got to play 2 ranked teams then had 3 easy teams to play before getting their other 2 ranked teams. They didn't have to do the things that UT and TT had to do for 4 straight weeks.

(5) Texas L 35-45 --
(16) Kansas W 45-31 --
Kansas State W 58-35 --
Nebraska W 62-28 --
Texas A&M W 66-28 --
(2) Texas Tech W 65-21 --
(11) Oklahoma State
 
Fiyah said:
All of them did play each other......and if you wanted them to play again the same outcome could come about.



A points system is not fair to none of the teams playing. You must look at when these teams played each other. It seems that OU had the better schedule than UT and TT.

Look at when UT had to play and the rankings of those teams before losing to then ranked #6 TT all in 4 straight weeks.

(1) Oklahoma W
(11) Missouri W
(7) Oklahoma State W
(6) Texas Tech L

Here is Texas Tech schedule during their run all in 4 straight weeks before losing to #5 ranked OU.

(19) Kansas W
(1) Texas W
(8) Oklahoma State W
(5) Oklahoma L

Here is OU's schedule, they got to play 2 ranked teams then had 3 easy teams to play before getting their other 2 ranked teams. They didn't have to do the things that UT and TT had to do for 4 straight weeks.

(5) Texas L 35-45 --
(16) Kansas W 45-31 --
Kansas State W 58-35 --
Nebraska W 62-28 --
Texas A&M W 66-28 --
(2) Texas Tech W 65-21 --
(11) Oklahoma State
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For the divisional title, the point system should only include divisional opponents, which is why I said you better be ready to play every game.

Also, if you used the points system for just those three teams (Oklahoma, Texas, & Texas Tech), Oklahoma still wins with the magin of victory being Oklahoma +34, Texas +4, and Texas Tech -38.
 
JAG89 said:
For the divisional title, the point system should only include divisional opponents, which is why I said you better be ready to play every game.

Also, if you used the points system for just those three teams (Oklahoma, Texas, & Texas Tech), Oklahoma still wins with the magin of victory being Oklahoma +34, Texas +4, and Texas Tech -38.
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But the key is that you can't use a point system to be fair when these teams play at different times during the season. UT and TT had a harder schedule during their run which made it harder for them to score points against those opponents when OU basically lost their first tough game and them had cupcakes to build their team back up when they had to get back into the swing of things. If UT or TT had that type of schedule they would have been putting up a lot of points too.
 
Fiyah said:
But the key is that you can't use a point system to be fair when these teams play at different times during the season. UT and TT had a harder schedule during their run which made it harder for them to score points against those opponents when OU basically lost their first tough game and them had cupcakes to build their team back up when they had to get back into the swing of things. If UT or TT had that type of schedule they would have been putting up a lot of points too.
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Your scheduling theory would create too many opinions and opinions are like butt holes, everyone got one. You eliminate opinions by using basic logic, which is the points system. And to eliminate cupcakes from the equation, you only use the point system for divisional opponents or the points system for just those three teams. Either way, OU wins the tie breaker.
 
Oh now you calling me names since my theory could have some validaty(sp) to it. You only want to use points since OU had the time between playing their schedule against the big boys while the other 2 teams had to play all of theirs in a row.
 
Fiyah said:
Oh now you calling me names since my theory could have some validaty(sp) to it. You only want to use points since OU had the time between playing their schedule against the big boys while the other 2 teams had to play all of theirs in a row.
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Logically speaking/typing, where did I called you names?
 



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