Why USC and Not A Black College, Dr. Dre?


jstate83 said:
It is a fact that white parents was just as bad as Rev Butts? when it came to N.W.A and rap music period. They thought it was the end of the world. But it is a fact that white kids was and still is the largest group of consumers of rap music on the planet when it comes to opening their wallets and purses.

Now as for this project DRE and his business partner did with USC, what is the problem. I'm sure the students at USC was bumping N.W.A and death row shat from the start. USC is not located in a vanilla white hood. USC is located in the middle of THE HOOD and you go deeper into the hood when you go to the Colisumn for football games.

DRE probably been walking USC's campus since before his "Float On" days. :lol:
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The two is separated by Exposition Blvd. Dr. Dre is from Compton, CA which is approximately 9 to 10 miles south of USC.
 
JAG89 said:
The two is separated by Exposition Blvd. Dr. Dre is from Compton, CA which is approximately 9 to 10 miles south of USC.
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Like North / Northeast Jackson, (County line-Ridgeland), when talking about JSU. About 6 to 7 miles north of JSU. Ain't no thing for a person to drive or take mass transit to JSU everyday.
 



jstate83 said:
Like North / Northeast Jackson, (County line-Ridgeland), when talking about JSU. About 6 to 7 miles north of JSU. Ain't no thing for a person to drive or take mass transit to JSU everyday.
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Sure, but Jackson has way less traffic congestion. A 5-mile commute in L.A. could easily take 20 to 25 minutes, whereas the same distance in Jackson probably take 10 to 15 minutes..
 
Here is my question to all of the people that are saying he should consider giving to an HBCU -

Have any of our institutions courted him for a donation?

Have any of our advancement/foundation officers or presidents called him up to build a relationship with him and explain how putting the program on one of our campuses would be a great benefit to the African American community, his company, and the future?

I would have loved for the program and the gift to come to TSU. Heck we have a great music production program that could have been merged with something like this. But Dr. Rudley did not make the call or ask for the funds, while USC obviously had the vision and connections to do so.

We expect people that have no ties with HBCUs to just give to us when we have not done our part. As I said earlier, USC has probably been working on this gift strategically for months, maybe even years.
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
Here is my question to all of the people that are saying he should consider giving to an HBCU -

Have any of our institutions courted him for a donation?

Have any of our advancement/foundation officers or presidents called him up to build a relationship with him and explain how putting the program on one of our campuses would be a great benefit to the African American community, his company, and the future?

I would have loved for the program and the gift to come to TSU. Heck we have a great music production program that could have been merged with something like this. But Dr. Rudley did not make the call or ask for the funds, while USC obviously had the vision and connections to do so.

We expect people that have no ties with HBCUs to just give to us when we have not done our part. As I said earlier, USC has probably been working on this gift strategically for months, maybe even years.
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Negros at the top of the Alumni food chain would have been protesting in the streets if one of our Presidents went to him for a donation. Black womens groups would be burning bras. :lol:

Look at what happened at SPELLMAN when NELLY went there for a bone marrow drive for his sister. That shat was shameful they way they acted. Nelly has not set foot on another HBCU since. :lol:
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
Here is my question to all of the people that are saying he should consider giving to an HBCU -

Have any of our institutions courted him for a donation?

Have any of our advancement/foundation officers or presidents called him up to build a relationship with him and explain how putting the program on one of our campuses would be a great benefit to the African American community, his company, and the future?

I would have loved for the program and the gift to come to TSU. Heck we have a great music production program that could have been merged with something like this. But Dr. Rudley did not make the call or ask for the funds, while USC obviously had the vision and connections to do so.

We expect people that have no ties with HBCUs to just give to us when we have not done our part. As I said earlier, USC has probably been working on this gift strategically for months, maybe even years.
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I'll dispute your last comment. I'm sure by him growing up in Compton, CA that he probably had some family ties to a HBCU. One of my aunts who lived in Compton and one of her sons graduated from Grambling State University. Most African Americans in California had family living in Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma.
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
Here is my question to all of the people that are saying he should consider giving to an HBCU -

Have any of our institutions courted him for a donation?

Have any of our advancement/foundation officers or presidents called him up to build a relationship with him and explain how putting the program on one of our campuses would be a great benefit to the African American community, his company, and the future?

I would have loved for the program and the gift to come to TSU. Heck we have a great music production program that could have been merged with something like this. But Dr. Rudley did not make the call or ask for the funds, while USC obviously had the vision and connections to do so.

We expect people that have no ties with HBCUs to just give to us when we have not done our part. As I said earlier, USC has probably been working on this gift strategically for months, maybe even years.
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who on here would realistically know that? None unless they are on a foundation and it happens that I'm on the Alcorn Foundation and yes, they have worked to build relationships with these larger name stars...and baby, you talking about jumping through some hoops over and over and over and over...heck, these corporations...getting a partnership with them takes significant time, energy, effort and perseverance...and the return is often way less than expected. So, are foundations courting those with money, sure they are...are these companies responding equally to PWU and HBCUs? HECK NO.
 
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JAG89 said:
I'll dispute your last comment. I'm sure by him growing up in Compton, CA that he probably had some family ties to a HBCU. One of my aunts who lived in Compton and one of her sons graduated from Grambling State University. Most African Americans in California had family living in Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma.
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Of course - that's one of the reasons (and because Cali has no HBCUs) that many HBCU football games use to be promoted in Cali. Valid point about the family connections. Most, if not all, African Americans can trace back a descendent that attended an HBCU, but just because he had a cousin, etc. attend an HBCU that does not mean they have shared their affection for their respective institution with Dre or that he really has an emotional connection with an HBCU. The only institution of higher learning that he probably knows well and has an affection for is USC. Again, I honestly think this boils down to Dre being from Cali - his business partners having connections with USC - USC probably posed the idea about the partnership - hence the donation was a win-win for all involved.
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
I usually have respect for Dr. Kimbrough, but he was off base with this one:

1. USC fundraisers probably have been courting Dre and his business partner, who has USC connections, for this gift for a few years. Did an HBCU ask for the gift or the academic program? No. That is our major problem.

2. This was a business move - strictly an invest they will use to train talent for their company

3. I would have felt better if Dr. Kimbrough would have said to "why not a minority serving institution in California" - If you look at any of the institutions the California higher ed systems that are struggling financially right now, they are those with relatively high black and Hispanic enrollments. Kimbrough's argument actually would have made more sense by bringing them into the argument, especially since a few of those are in black communities in Cali.

4. Dre has no ties to an HBCU and we have to stop thinking just because someone is black they should simply support our institutions. Our foundations and advancement folks have to do a better job of telling the great things that we do to people of all races to increase donations and partnerships since our alumni giving rates are dismal across the board. It does not hurt to build a relationship with someone and make the ask.

5. The program probably will increase the diversity at USC. Sounds like a program that you could easily recruit a lot of African American males into.

6. IT's his money!
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I guess im the opposite as I really respecct Dr. Kimbrough for what he did. Dr.Dre probably wont give a HBCU gift but the next black mega star might atleast think of giving to a HBCU after reading his letter.
 
In 2004, the US Department of Education published a study of HBCUs that found that, as of 2001, HBCUs accounted for 13% of black higher education enrollment.

If that is the case, why should anyone expect Dr. Dre or any other black celeb to give to an HBCU when the majority of black students don't attend HBCUs and blacks have less ties to those institutions as a result of desegration?
 
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chocalate_topaz said:
who on here would realistically know that? None unless they are on a foundation and it happens that I'm on the Alcorn Foundation and yes, they have worked to build relationships with these larger name stars...and baby, you talking about jumping through some hoops over and over and over and over...heck, these corporations...getting a partnership with them takes significant time, energy, effort and perseverance...and the return is often way less than expected. So, are foundations courting those with money, sure they are...are these companies responding equally to PWU and HBCUs? HECK NO.
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The questions were posed in a general sense CT. I did not expect anyone on this board unless they are board members to actually know the answers to those questions. Also, I never said that companies respond to PWIs and HBCUs equally. No one should ever speak or type that nonsense. You and I both know how long it takes to build a relationship with a respective donor, so I understand where you are coming from. I acknowledge that HBCU foundations/advancement offices don't have the staff and the resources to work on these gifts for as long as USC or any other large institution does and risk being told no.

With that being said this is not a race issue. It has more to do with geographic location, business strategies, connections, and relationships. Dre gave to USC and not one of our schools because he has an affection with USC, his business partner (who funded half the gift) had a connection/relationship with USC, and USC had the relationship and connections with the two of them in order to make the ask (the gift was donation to their Campaign for USC fundraising initiative). Maybe now that I am sure Dre has read Dr. Kimbrough's op-ed maybe he will be curious to learn more about our programs and/or one of our presidents will reach out to him about a potential gift or partnership.
 
kendrick said:
In 2004, the US Department of Education published a study of HBCUs that found that, as of 2001, HBCUs accounted for 13% of black higher education enrollment.

If that is the case, why should anyone expect Dr. Dre or any other black celeb to give to an HBCU when the majority of black students don't attend HBCUs?
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According to this: http://about.usc.edu/facts/ USC's black population is 5%...why should Dr. Dre or any other black star give to a school when apparently the majority of black IN HIS AREA don't attend that school? Why not a HBCU?
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
The questions were posed in a general sense CT. I did not expect anyone on this board unless they are board members to actually know the answers to those questions. Also, I never said that companies respond to PWIs and HBCUs equally. No one should ever speak or type that nonsense. You and I both know how long it takes to build a relationship with a respective donor, so I understand where you are coming from. I acknowledge that HBCU foundations/advancement offices don't have the staff and the resources to work on these gifts for as long as USC or any other large institution does and risk being told no.

With that being said this is not a race issue. It has more to do with geographic location, business strategies, connections, and relationships. Dre gave to USC and not one of our schools because he has an affection with USC, his business partner (who funded half the gift) had a connection/relationship with USC, and USC had the relationship and connections with the two of them in order to make the ask (the gift was donation to their Campaign for USC fundraising initiative). Maybe now that I am sure Dre has read Dr. Kimbrough's op-ed maybe he will be curious to learn more about our programs and/or one of our presidents will reach out to him about a potential gift or partnership.
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I get your poised answer...but the bottom line for me...when Dr.Dre was rapping with NWA he was in "touch" and could speak on the societal ills of AAs countrywide/globally...but when he gives his money, he gets dumb to those who need his assistance the most. He wants his legacy to be remembered by a school with few black students...so he wants to be remembered and immortalized by white folks...I can't change his mind...but I don't give him a pass in mine either. To each his own...
 
It seems like NWA should have been named WWA, instead of Ninjas With Attitude (NWA) it should have been Winjas With Attitude (WWA), but we all know that would not have gotten Dr. Dre paid.
 
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chocalate_topaz said:
Or Wiggas with Attitude...
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I was trying not to use any words that resembled the N-word, but hoping that people would understand what I was trying to say. The words winjas, wiggas, and wiggers all means the same to me. They all refer to a White N-word person.
 
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For as many young black men he got killed with his rap music, he should give something back to those who look like him. Yes, NWA and many of the lyrics he wrote and produced got many brothers killed. Anyone who thinks differently has sold their souls!!!
 
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West coast rap music changed the face of hip hop. Not only does he and many of the other gangsta rappers owe the black community, the record companies do too. They caused a demise in our community that will take decades to over come. The lyrics of teaching to disrespect black women, glorify drugs, gang bang and kill black men can never be repaid. Yes they do owe us. Bottom line!!
 
These people in hear pulling out stats and crime trends because that man chose to do what he wanted to do with HIS money. DAMN, a regggin cant catch a break.
 
CEE DOG said:
West coast rap music changed the face of hip hop. Not only does he and many of the other gangsta rappers owe the black community, the record companies do too. They caused a demise in our community that will take decades to over come. The lyrics of teaching to disrespect black women, glorify drugs, gang bang and kill black men can never be repaid. Yes they do owe us. Bottom line!!
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The Black community should have allowed gangsta rap to die when Dan Quayle started his family values movement and police officers across the nation pressured the big record labels, such as Warner Brothers Records to drop gangsta rap from their label by protesting at the record labels headquarters, but politicians like Rep. Maxine Waters and the California Black Caucus came to their defense. Farrakhan used this dispute as one of the reasons for having the Million Man March in D.C. What's really funny about this, although the big record labels released them from their record contracts, they ended up signing them to other contracts, such as movies and T.V. deals.

Former Vice President Dan Quayle spoke of family values to about 3,000 religious conservatives, while 1,000 protesters outside called for tolerance and an end to bigotry. Addressing delegates to a three-day "Reclaim America for Christ" conference in Ft. Lauderdale, Quayle criticized rap music "that degrades women or advocates killing cops" and repeated his complaint that TV's "Murphy Brown" glorifies single mothers. The conference, aimed in part at helping Christians win elections, renewed questions about Quayle's future. He jokingly told reporters he thinks of running for President in 1996 "probably once or twice an hour."
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http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-24/news/mn-14801_1_family-values
 
JAG89 said:
Technically he is from the City of Compton, CA, which is in the County of Los Angeles and is not far from the City of Los Angeles.
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This is still dumb logic. It's the metro area where he grew up and lived and probably went to games....his daughter also went to school there. This is like asking why didn't he give to Nebraska instead, maybe because he had absolutely zero ties to the school?
 
CEE DOG said:
West coast rap music changed the face of hip hop. Not only does he and many of the other gangsta rappers owe the black community, the record companies do too. They caused a demise in our community that will take decades to over come. The lyrics of teaching to disrespect black women, glorify drugs, gang bang and kill black men can never be repaid. Yes they do owe us. Bottom line!!
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Cee.
The Black community was already killing itself long before N.W.A put out "STR8 out of Compton." The only thing N.W.A did was put the everyday truth about living in South Central LA to music and video. Ain't no form of rap made negros start killing themselves. N.W.A and Gangsta Rap didn't start until 1987. :lol:

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't TOOKIE Williams and the CRIPS killing mofos the entire 1970's, 2 decades before N.W.A and gangsta rap? Same with the BLOODS. All black gangs in LA that was hella violent way before gangsta rap. Nobody GAS about none of that until black azz N.W.A started making millions in the studio instead of gangbanging on the streets. :lol:
 
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JAG89 said:
The Black community should have allowed gangsta rap to die when Dan Quayle started his family values movement and police officers across the nation pressured the big record labels, such as Warner Brothers Records to drop gangsta rap from their label by protesting at the record labels headquarters, but politicians like Rep. Maxine Waters and the California Black Caucus came to their defense. Farrakhan used this dispute as one of the reasons for having the Million Man March in D.C. What's really funny about this, although the big record labels released them from their record contracts, they ended up signing them to other contracts, such as movies and T.V. deals.



http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-24/news/mn-14801_1_family-values
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So you saying black people are so dumb, they let a music video destroy entire communities?
I call bullshat.:lol:

Music videos didn't have shat to do with what was already going on decades before gangsta rap came along. These gangbangers was already killing each other and innocent bystanders from coast to coast in record clips and whenever the police came in to do something, those same people would PROTEST THE POLICE along side the gangbabgers. "Boys in the Hood" scared white people so bad back then, they honestly didn't believe people had to deal with that kind of everyday violence in the black community back then. There was no YOUTUBE or internet for them to see shat like that back then. They never even dreamed it was going on like that. All N.W.A did was use MTV as their "YOUTUBE" back then. :lol:

If Dan Quale was so into removing all violence from the air-waves because it caused idiot people to kill each other, then why didn't he go after the Terminator and all the ultra mega violent murder and rape movies Hollywood was putting out at the same exact time. Dan Quale was not doing a dam thing except catering to the redneck set, scaring the heck out of white people with the "they coming to get you" campaign speaches. :smh:
 
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