Who Can and band claim number 1 but can't march worth a damn?


To whomever it may concern....


If you're looking for SU to utilize the WW's more than they have, voluntarily, you're listening to the wrong da*n band. Point blank.

SU's style is what it is. And, if you see/hear that...why ask for something else, when it's not offered?
 
O'Bladerunner said:
To whomever it may concern....


If you're looking for SU to utilize the WW's more than they have, voluntarily, you're listening to the wrong da*n band. Point blank.

SU's style is what it is. And, if you see/hear that...why ask for something else, when it's not offered?
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Basically!!

You start hearing dumb isht like this when folk don't really know SU band....

Less woodwinds = HEAR LESS WOODwinds

MORE Woodwinds = HEAR MORE WOODwinds

what's new about that?

SU ain't change their style... so why expect to hear WW on anything besides a ballad?
 
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SUtrp96 said:
Basically!!

You start hearing dumb isht like this when folk don't really know SU band....

Less woodwinds = HEAR LESS WOODwinds

MORE Woodwinds = HEAR MORE WOODwinds

what's new about that?

SU ain't change their style... so why expect to hear WW on anything besides a ballad?
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Bruh...Ive already spotted the inconsistancies. To some, SU all of a sudden, NOW, presently, today sounds like a "balanced" band, cuz of 13 piccs...:retard:
 
O'Bladerunner said:
Bruh...Ive already spotted the inconsistancies. To some, SU all of a sudden, NOW, presently, today sounds like a "balanced" band, cuz of 13 piccs...:retard:
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Now ain't that some BULL??!?! smh

Folk say things like that when they don't know SU like they think they do...
 
SUtrp96 said:
Now ain't that some BULL??!?! smh

Folk say things like that when they don't know SU like they think they do...
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Just in case these latest responses were directed at ME:
I say what I do because as a "Juke", we know the band better than anyone else. We have sat in the band room while learning a new song. We have heard each section play the entire song alone. And, I'm not sure about any of the rest of the Jukes present on this board, but as a composer/arranger, I have heard the saxophone chords and thought to myself "DAMN! That isht is BEAUTIFUL Mr. J./Mr. Knighten. If we had 20+ more saxes, the whole texture of this arrangement would change." Now, because I am a Juke, and I know and LOVE how the band operates, you have NEVER once heard me say "I wish the band would tone it down a lil" or "I wish the band would let the woodwinds stand out more often". I just know the TRUE beauty of the arrangements that come out of the minds of our GREAT arrangers, and I dont think it would hurt for the rest of the world to hear that.
 
mustardmanSU_04 said:
Just in case these latest responses were directed at ME:
I say what I do because as a "Juke", we know the band better than anyone else. We have sat in the band room while learning a new song. We have heard each section play the entire song alone. And, I'm not sure about any of the rest of the Jukes present on this board, but as a composer/arranger, I have heard the saxophone chords and thought to myself "DAMN! That isht is BEAUTIFUL Mr. J./Mr. Knighten. If we had 20+ more saxes, the whole texture of this arrangement would change." Now, because I am a Juke, and I know and LOVE how the band operates, you have NEVER once heard me say "I wish the band would tone it down a lil" or "I wish the band would let the woodwinds stand out more often". I just know the TRUE beauty of the arrangements that come out of the minds of our GREAT arrangers, and I dont think it would hurt for the rest of the world to hear that.
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Naw brah, folks who don't know SU are the ones who didn't march in the "S" and think they know what's better for the "S"...

The "S" was never broke so it ain't really no "fixing" persay....

I've heard a lot of nice woodwind parts during my time at SU and even before I got there....

Listen to some of that old school stuff....One song in particular "Skin Im In".. the woodwinds on there IMO sets that song off.... That Sax part is wicked.. but that's just one song out of many...

I believe it was Dacon that was suggesting all of our songs just have our woodwinds stand out as such...

Just won't happen unless SU brass change how they approach their music and I would hate for that to happen....

If SU's brass continue to approach their parts the way we always have on none ballads.. you will not hear woodwinds like on the Monica Joint (which is my favorite joint from SU this year thus far)...

If you go to 97.. strong as our brass was.. even on ballads our woodwinds came through on their parts maybe not as strong as this year.. but that due to the size of the woodwind section.

Saying all that to say... there is nothing new going on with the S... they are still approaching music they way we would have..
 
dacontinent said:
Balanced?? No. Better?? Yes.
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better because the woodwinds are more amplified?...lol

I could kinda see that.. if you relate it to a sound system... but that's all in taste too..

Some folk don't want the highs as crisp as others... Others do....
So the highs being turned up a bit is more pleasing to your taste... :tup:

It's still what we been doing....lol Just added more pics...
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SUtrp96 said:
...I believe it was Dacon that was suggesting all of our songs just have our woodwinds stand out as such...
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I am not suggesting that at all. My point is that if an arranger writes parts for an instrument in a piece, the audience ought to be able to hear that instrument in the performance. I have heard some great WW writing in Jukebox arrangements for the last 30 years WHEN I HAVE BEEN CLOSE ENOUGH (upto 20 yards) TO HEAR THEM PLAYED. I think the writing is excellent, but since we don't get to sit in those rehearsals like you, we don't get to hear it. That's the sad part from where I sit.

The Jukes are the Jukes and will keep on being the Jukes. However, this thread and the direction of my ire is not the Jukes: it is narrow-mindedness of our programs that puts entertaining the crowds before preparing its graduates to succeed anywhere in the country.

I am tired of seeing SWAC & MEAC grads come to apply for jobs in my local school district and have to take a middle school job because they are unprepared to take on a successful high school program where the marching style is corps and the strength of genre is latin pop. I am also tired of seeing SWAC & MEAC grads take the HS jobs and destroy the programs (i.e. lose more than half the students, the boosters, and the community support) for the same or similar reasons.
 
dacontinent said:
Get out of the silly concert formation and move some feet. Give your concert before and after the game with those big, lush ballads. On the field, move those feet!
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Some of the best arrangements are played in this formation. It show versatility and vibrance of musicality.



Oh, I see someone decided to change the title of the thread so it can be understood what they were trying to say.
 
Fiyah said:
Some of the best arrangements are played in this formation. It show versatility and vibrance of musicality.



Oh, I see someone decided to change the title of the thread so it can be understood what they were trying to say.
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His point is that Corps style bands show the SAME versatility and vibrancy while moving.
 
mustardmanSU_04 said:
His point is that Corps style bands show the SAME versatility and vibrancy while moving.
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No. My point has nothing to do with corps style bands at all. It has to do with marching band. Except for the national anthem/patriotic features/etc. and your alma mater, why is a marching standing still on the field for an entire piece??!!!
 
dacontinent said:
No. My point has nothing to do with corps style bands at all. It has to do with marching band. Except for the national anthem/patriotic features/etc. and your alma mater, why is a marching standing still on the field for an entire piece??!!!
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DaContinent, I usually agree whole-heartedly with your posts, but I can't on this one. I understand that marching band should be marching as much as possible, but there is a method to the madness for MOST HBCU band programs. For the record, SU is my frame of reference:

The band stands still on field only when dancing auxillary is being featured (being accompaniment to another form of performing arts) and playing a feature selection (geared to audience as a 'live concert').
 



StateTrooper2K1 said:
DaContinent, I usually agree whole-heartedly with your posts, but I can't on this one. I understand that marching band should be marching as much as possible, but there is a method to the madness for MOST HBCU band programs. For the record, SU is my frame of reference:

The band stands still on field only when dancing auxillary is being featured (being accompaniment to another form of performing arts) and playing a feature selection (geared to audience as a 'live concert').
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I completely understand. By this time you can probably figure out that I don't care much for dance auxiliaries (Jaycettes, Dancing Dolls, 14K, etc)or dancing DM troupes (Fab5, Fantastic4, etc) doing their rump shakin' and grindin'. If that's the kind of dancing you want, Tampa is famous for it's strip clubs. There are plenty of poles to be wrapped around and there is a lot of money to be made. If you want to dance with artistry (jazz, ballet, modern, etc) and great choreography, I would have no problem with the band standing for such a feature. Of course, that leads me to my other dance point: bands that dance should be able to execute the dance like a dance auxiliary would. Otherwise, stick to making the music.

Someone asked in another thread whether Jaycettes were offered scholarships, citing the amount of time that is devoted to rehearsals, preparation, and performance. I don't know the answer but it seems like you would want to offer dance scholarships to dance majors. In so doing I would expect that dance expertise to be brought to the field in the dance auxiliary.

Yes, I realize that I am in a gross minority in these positions. These are among the reasons I will never be the BD of the Sonic Boom of the South.
 
dacontinent said:
I completely understand. By this time you can probably figure out that I don't care much for dance auxiliaries (Jaycettes, Dancing Dolls, 14K, etc)or dancing DM troupes (Fab5, Fantastic4, etc) doing their rump shakin' and grindin'. If that's the kind of dancing you want, Tampa is famous for it's strip clubs. There are plenty of poles to be wrapped around and there is a lot of money to be made. If you want to dance with artistry (jazz, ballet, modern, etc) and great choreography, I would have no problem with the band standing for such a feature. Of course, that leads me to my other dance point: bands that dance should be able to execute the dance like a dance auxiliary would. Otherwise, stick to making the music.

Someone asked in another thread whether Jaycettes were offered scholarships, citing the amount of time that is devoted to rehearsals, preparation, and performance. I don't know the answer but it seems like you would want to offer dance scholarships to dance majors. In so doing I would expect that dance expertise to be brought to the field in the dance auxiliary.

Yes, I realize that I am in a gross minority in these positions. These are among the reasons I will never be the BD of the Sonic Boom of the South.
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Come on Dacon. you can't put all these dance troops in the same catgory.. Not all these dance squads dances like they are on the main stage at the Gentle mens Club....lol

Some of these troops have classical and jazz in their shows.
 
SUtrp96 said:
Come on Dacon. you can't put all these dance troops in the same catgory.. Not all these dance squads dances like they are on the main stage at the Gentle mens Club....lol

Some of these troops have classical and jazz in their shows.
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You are exactly right! Bring on the REAL dancing and leave the club stuff in the club.

When the marching band plays, they are doing something the rest of the schleps in the stands can't do. It should be the same for the dancing. That's all I am saying.
 
dacontinent said:
I don't know the answer but it seems like you would want to offer dance scholarships to dance majors. In so doing I would expect that dance expertise to be brought to the field in the dance auxiliary.
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I have said the SAME thing about marching band. Give scholarships to the people who are majoring or minoring in something music related. Or, have a scale: Music majors get the max allowed, minors get an intermediate amount and those who fall into neither get a cool-azz uniform to wear on Saturday night while they play music (Well, unless you go to :vomit: *ramblin)
 
mustardmanSU_04 said:
His point is that Corps style bands show the SAME versatility and vibrancy while moving.
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When they do it, they are telling a story with their music and their formations all at the same time.

dacontinent said:
No. My point has nothing to do with corps style bands at all. It has to do with marching band. Except for the national anthem/patriotic features/etc. and your alma mater, why is a marching standing still on the field for an entire piece??!!!
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Just because it's a marching band doesn't mean they can only play when marching.
 
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