Who Can and band claim number 1 but can't march worth a damn?


theSWACdecider

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How Can A JSU claim number 1 But Can't March Worth A Damn?

Look at this crap, Jackson calls a Marching Band. No wonder why people refer to them as Jackson35 and many of the alumni don't like the direction their headed. So i ask again. How Can A JSU claim number 1 But Can't March Worth A Damn? They have been sloppy on the field for some years now. They aren't even the number two band anymore. To be number one you must on it in every aspect of marching band. Field & Stands. At least that how i was brought up.

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SU Marching band in 2010

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Is that the Jaguar Run On? :retard:
Either way its F*CKED up. Precision My Azz!
 
CriTAUcal said:
What's up with that subject title?!? :confused:
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Wellll Obviously we have someone who can’t read.

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So no need to Hide ya verbs
Or Hide ya adjectives
And forget hiding ya nouns to

Cause they can’t Read none of what’s posted round here…
 
Re: How Can A JSU claim number 1 But Can't March Worth A Damn?

:lol: @ Jax35. So many no-no's...Ima leave most of it alone.

But, seriously, and trying to be as constructive as possible.....

Not only are the drummers getting no paaaaaaaarts of the field...why have the snare drummer that's counting off the Tiger Run-On 30 yrds away from everyone that needs to hear it? I mean...he's actually THE furthest in the section that's "already" way out of bounds...:retard: The drummers aren't the ones that need the timing. Those non-marching, marching on the wrong foot horn holders are.
 
J-State2DaPoint said:
SU Marching band in 2010

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Is that the Jaguar Run On? :retard:
Either way its F*CKED up. Precision My Azz!
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Since you went there....post the video. The intro was FUBAR...but, what about the rest of the show?

The video given is 10+ mins of Sippi Slop. Except, for the stars of the show, of course...the JSettes.
 
That was the WORST 10mins of JSU I have ever seen. You know the saying "30 is the new 40"? I think JSU is the new :vomit:*ramblin
 



TBone2 said:
uhhh uhhhhh! No Comment. 64 up and 64 back. "Don't forget to say CHAIR".
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I was fine with this thread until I got to this post. You are killin' me! :weee: :flippy: :flippy: :flippy: :weee:


But seriously, if you have any two of the following
  • don't march well;
  • still do drills in every show that the band was doing 20 years ago;
  • don't march both corps and high-step;
  • have more than 3 arrangements of the same old song in your library;
  • have DM's that don't conduct the band on the field;
  • have a concert formation in every show where you just park and blow (yes, including when your dance troupe is featured),
then you have too much work to do to be claiming any spot anywhere. Go back home and go to work on your program. Your STUDENTS need the education.
 
dacontinent said:
I was fine with this thread until I got to this post. You are killin' me! :weee: :flippy: :flippy: :flippy: :weee:


But seriously, if you have any two of the following
  • still do drills in every show that the band was doing 20 years ago;
  • don't march both corps and high-step;
  • have more than 3 arrangements of the same old song in your library;
then you have too much work to do to be claiming any spot anywhere. Go back home and go to work on your program. Your STUDENTS need the education.
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Normally I agree with pretty much EVERYTHING you say, but iMUST disagree here.

[*]still do drills in every show that the band was doing 20 years ago;
-THIS has a lot to do with history. Even the "great" FAMU has repeat drills. I cannot think of ANY school that doesnt have historical shows and/or drills.

[*]don't march both corps and high-step;
-This has alot to do with just plain ol' PREFERENCE.

[*]have more than 3 arrangements of the same old song in your library;
-As the composition and make up of the band and its sections change/evolve, the arrangements just wont work the same. ESPECIALLY for spirit songs/fight songs, you cannot just throw the tune out of the book.
 
mustardmanSU_04 said:
Normally I agree with pretty much EVERYTHING you say, but iMUST disagree here.

[*]still do drills in every show that the band was doing 20 years ago;
-THIS has a lot to do with history. Even the "great" FAMU has repeat drills. I cannot think of ANY school that doesnt have historical shows and/or drills.

[*]don't march both corps and high-step;
-This has alot to do with just plain ol' PREFERENCE.

[*]have more than 3 arrangements of the same old song in your library;
-As the composition and make up of the band and its sections change/evolve, the arrangements just wont work the same. ESPECIALLY for spirit songs/fight songs, you cannot just throw the tune out of the book.
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I understand your heart. Here is why I take the positions that I have on these.
  1. I get the whole tradition thing and I like it. Tiger Run-on ... the SU DM backbend ... the floating JSU ... the SU Circle Drill ... love the stuff. Once or twice a year is fine. Elsewhere, show me a little creativity. The musical equivalent of what we have graphically is a Bb scale, one octave, in whole notes.
  2. Marching both corps and high-step most certainly is about preference: job preference. If our graduates are going to have the ability to compete for those jobs, they have to be able to both execute and teach both styles. We are failing them if we don't. Few HBCU's march any corps style at all. I am not suggesting that anyone should switch. I am saying that we had better educate our people.
  3. C'mon man. SU has more WW now than they have had in the previous 35 years, but the approach to the arranging has not reflected that. Except for the institutions that have been stupid enough to try to emulate SU, the only instances of a sound signature changing have occurred when a program was completely devastated and someone new came in to breathe life into it again. Those things just don't change very often. Even if they did, can't we find some decent current music to work within our arranging styles and instrumentation? Maybe the problem is that we cannot find that decent current music. Honestly, I think we have just gotten increasingly lazy.
No excuses for FAMU and "surround sound". Save it for Arena Football. Get out of the silly concert formation and move some feet. Give your concert before and after the game with those big, lush ballads. On the field, move those feet!
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned the true reason why JSU's band walks and arrangements are simple. The current band staff lacks the natural born talent that the band staffs of the Davis, Haughton and Taylor had.
 
dacontinent said:
I understand your heart. Here is why I take the positions that I have on these.
  1. I get the whole tradition thing and I like it. Tiger Run-on ... the SU DM backbend ... the floating JSU ... the SU Circle Drill ... love the stuff. Once or twice a year is fine. Elsewhere, show me a little creativity. The musical equivalent of what we have graphically is a Bb scale, one octave, in whole notes.
  2. Marching both corps and high-step most certainly is about preference: job preference. If our graduates are going to have the ability to compete for those jobs, they have to be able to both execute and teach both styles. We are failing them if we don't. Few HBCU's march any corps style at all. I am not suggesting that anyone should switch. I am saying that we had better educate our people.
  3. C'mon man. SU has more WW now than they have had in the previous 35 years, but the approach to the arranging has not reflected that. Except for the institutions that have been stupid enough to try to emulate SU, the only instances of a sound signature changing have occurred when a program was completely devastated and someone new came in to breathe life into it again. Those things just don't change very often. Even if they did, can't we find some decent current music to work within our arranging styles and instrumentation? Maybe the problem is that we cannot find that decent current music. Honestly, I think we have just gotten increasingly lazy.
No excuses for FAMU and "surround sound". Save it for Arena Football. Get out of the silly concert formation and move some feet. Give your concert before and after the game with those big, lush ballads. On the field, move those feet!
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#1- I totally agree about the drills, because yes, iDO get tired of seeing the "hotdog drill", and the "minstril (sp) drill" every game.

#2- IDK, the VAST majority of the people that I know who went to any particular school, was in marching band, and is now a music educator LOVES the style of their alma mater, and strive to the best of their ability to emulate and recreate that same style/sound. It's the way it is/goes MOST of the time.

#3- Are you the ONLY person that doesn't recognize that SU is increasingly using the WW's more and more? You dont think that if a school goes from having 8 mellophones to having hmmmmm, 18 CONSITANTLY that a song/songs could/should be rearranged to reflect that? Or, yet and still, you dont think that if a new arranger comes on staff, or the program comes under new direction, that they leadership might want to re-voice/re-arrange a tune to add a new flavor?
 
mustardmanSU_04 said:
#3- Are you the ONLY person that doesn't recognize that SU is increasingly using the WW's more and more? You dont think that if a school goes from having 8 mellophones to having hmmmmm, 18 CONSITANTLY that a song/songs could/should be rearranged to reflect that? Or, yet and still, you dont think that if a new arranger comes on staff, or the program comes under new direction, that they leadership might want to re-voice/re-arrange a tune to add a new flavor?
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In fact I have complemented SU a number of times in the last 2 years on their increased WW. I still only hear them when I view clips of SU playing ballads during the 5th - the only times that I heard them before. At this point, I have concluded that I am hearing them BETTER primarily because their numbers have increased and not because something has changed in the arranging.

No, I don't think that you take an arrangement and resculpt it because just because of a given instrumentation section grew or shrunk. You don't do it with your fight song or your alma mater. Why? Because the lines there are significant and they are intended to be that way forever because of the tradition involved with them. It might be considered if several sections change in numbers such that the overall ratios change significantly. The real reason that you resculpt an existing arrangement is to make new types of musical statements, to change intro/ending/articulations/attacks/releases/rhythm footprints/dynamic contrast. And while I am there, let me say this:

Living in Central Florida, I don't get to attend very many HBCU games. I mostly have to go on what I get from the posting of clips. But, I cannot remember a single clip from the last decade where a SWAC band marched to a song on the field that had mm=108+ AND dynamic contrast; and no, I don't count the change in facing from downfield or backfield to facing the camera as dynamic contrast.

As for new LEAD arrangers and programs under new direction, I think I spoke to them previously.
 
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