Where should the SWAC Championship football be played?

[mighty hornet]

Originally posted by Tigerpride
Mighty Hornet,

What does Atlanta care about the SWAC or the MEAC???

What does Houston care about the SWAC?

On one hand, some of you say that folks would want to travel to large cities, like Houston or Atlanta. But when shown that this hasn't occured (Heritage Bowl, TxSou and PV games), then what?

as for Jackson, why move it there? You don't have a dome.
And save the lie about the locals would automatically show up.

 

[Lewis]

This thread is funny. Alabama folks want to defend Birmingham and other folks ain't tyin to hear it.<br><br>The bottom line is Birmingham is not one of the "glamour" cities in the south. The only reason we go there is the game. So that put's a lot of pressure on the game. Take for instance, the bayou classic, many go and never go to the game, they watch it on TV in their hotel rooms. The city itself has something to offer. Sorry bama, folks, Birmingham just don't have it. Add to that the long distance of the trip, it is easy to see why people have that opinion. <br><br>Another factor (IMHO) is most of the old school SWAC don't really consider Alabama a big part of the SWAC. The heart of the SWAC is Louisiana and Miss. You bama folk can pout all you want, but in the past 25 years, damn near every SWAC championship (but one) has been won right here (someone can look this up). The heart of the SWAC is Gram, JSU, Alcorn, SU. These schools all with ~3.5 hours, are the leaders in name reconition and attendance.<br><br>So what does it mean. Only bama folks and die hard football fans are going to come, period. Unless you have an SU-JSU matchup, attendance will peak at around 30K. People from Southern showed up this week. But most were not happy about riding 7-8 hours to a nothing city to sit out in the cold and rain to watch a game against some we already beat the hell out of.<BR>There is a reason they give us Legion field for free, it's because no one would pay to come thier. (IF you disagree, name someone). Take New Orleans, they have two bowl games. <br><br>How what would do if I was running this. If I was happy to just not worry about losing money, stay in Birmingham, and hope it's SU-Gram vs a Bama school or JSU. Each school will bring enought to get at 20K (Which is still less than a good home game at Southern).<br><Br>If I really wanted to make the game grow (in both attendance and prestige) and get wider fan support., THERE IS NO CHOICE BUT TO MOVE IT. Where are possible locations?? I will list the each city and my opinion.<br><br>Atlanta - I would NOT move it to Altanta, it is too far, and to much of the swac fan base drives to games.<br><br>Jackson - Why Jackson? Even though it is still outside, Jackson is in the middle of the heart of the SWAC. Right now, few fans west of Alabama show up unless thier team is in the game. Sure Jackson fans did not come to Memorial this year in protest of bell, but they will come out for football, You will also get Alcorn, Valley and Southern fans. Jackson has a great gameday atmoshere, and old school swac folks will be there. If any of those schools are in it, many fans of the other schools will be thier. (SU, Gram, Alcorn, JSU) I have gone to games at ALcorn and JSU when southern did not have a game.<br><br>New Orleans - not much to say that everyone don't know, but since SU and Grambling play thier right before, that is a big negative.
<br><br> Dallas - Dallas has a big base of SWAC alumni. It is also a city that people want to go to. It is a fair distance for a lot of people, and don't have a dome or outstanding facility.<br><Br> Houston - Houston is a big city that people like to go to. Reliant staduim is wonderful. Some say Houston doesn't support things and point to TSU and PV home games. Well, for the average game, those 2 teams are (err. this is the sports board, so what is a nice way to say it). BUT HOUSTON DOES COME OUT AND SUPPORT SPECIAL EVENTS. Like the labor day classic and when PV plays in Dallas. IF southern is in the game, they will bring 20-25K themselves. Marketed correctly, this could really blow up. In Houston, it would really be possible to put the other events on that would make it a week end not to miss, instead of just a game out in the cold.<br><br>THe SCG should be a reward, a party and super hyped.
RIght now, making it to the SWAC championship game and going to Birmingham is a punishment, not a reward.

 

[mighty hornet]

Lewis,
Care to explain how the MCC always is one of the highest attended bcf classics. And keep in mind, it's in Bham. at Legion Field

And please explain why SWAC games in Houston don't draw anywhere close to that.

heck, even ASU Labor Day Classic with Miles pulled close to 40K in Bham.

as far only a JSU/SU matchup could draw in Bham, It's no secret you hate all that is Alabama, but at least, try to maintain some kind of objectivity.

Again, I'll say it and nobody has touched this yet-----
Given nice weather, the attendance this past wknd would have surpassed 50K

as far moving it to Jackson, Houston, Dallas,
would you folks sit there and say that given the same weather that was in Bham this past wknd, these cities would have pulled 30K??

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
Lewis,
Care to explain how the MCC always is one of the highest attended bcf classics. And keep in mind, it's in Bham. at Legion Field

And please explain why SWAC games in Houston don't draw anywhere close to that.

heck, even ASU Labor Day Classic with Miles pulled close to 40K in Bham.

Jesus christ man your only confirming what everybody's already been questioning and what I've already said, it's because of that people wonder why the SCG isn't producing more fan support from ala.

Originally posted by bluedog
I mean just what I'm saying, after four or so years being in ala. and being that two school from the swac reside there, one should reasonably think that the game would be up to 50k now, I mean as one poster so proudly put it Bham is the football capital now (supposedly) What's so hard to understand about that?

Again, I'll say it and nobody has touched this yet-----
Given nice weather, the attendance this past wknd would have surpassed 50K

And that's clearly base on who was the visiting team because it wasn't cold and raining in the GSU/A&M game

as far moving it to Jackson, Houston, Dallas,
would you folks sit there and say that given the same weather that was in Bham this past wknd, these cities would have pulled 30K??

Did I not give you an example of this already in the most extreme case when I stated this?

Originally posted by bluedog
I but the SU/PV game stats to show anyone with reasonable thinking that if you have 20k at a PV game that means nothing and all week both states were under a hurricane watch, it's pretty clear the me that a whole lot more would have came to a game with all the marbles on the line in cold but clear weather.

 

[mighty hornet]

so you think the attendance would have been based on SU alone, huh?
LMAO!!!!!

ummmm SU wasn't at SCG 3!!!!!!


That flies ALL in the face of what you just posted

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
so you think the attendance would have been based on SU alone, huh?
LMAO!!!!!

ummmm SU wasn't at SCG 3!!!!!!


That flies ALL in the face of what you just posted

That has nothing to do with this SCG and honestly makes no sense at all because SU can only determine their attendance numbers not a game they don't participate in and is out of state.

But! To use you logic, tell me which SCG has the biggest attendance and who played in it?

 

[mighty hornet]

The first SCG had the highest attendance. 47K
It also had the best weather of all the SCG.
It also had the only band battle of all the SCG.
It also saw both teams bring some fans.
It also had a lot of neutral folks there.

Flash forward to SCG 3
Attendance was 38K
No band battle
Gram bringing a few fans.
ASU bringing a whole LOT of fans.


so, you can kill that nonsense about 1) a Bama school can't drive this game 2) that a high attendance (with nice weather this past wknd) would "clearly" have been based on SU being in the game

try to be objective

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
The first SCG had the highest attendance. 47K
It also had the best weather of all the SCG.
It also had the only band battle of all the SCG.
It also saw both teams bring some fans.
It also had a lot of neutral folks there.

Flash forward to SCG 3
Attendance was 38K
No band battle
Gram bringing a few fans.
ASU bringing a whole LOT of fans.


so, you can kill that nonsense about 1) a Bama school can't drive this game 2) that a high attendance (with nice weather this past wknd) would "clearly" have been based on SU being in the game

try to be objective

What needs to be kill is you and others like 1.)You trying to sell us ala. just because your from there 2)The battle of the bands crap 3.) ASU brings alot of fans Where the hell were they this time ? There more SU fans than ASU in that horrible weather.

Btw you still didn't answer the question as to why game two didn't top game one. There wasn't any bad weather than and to be honest in game 3 it wasn't freezing cold and raining so you can kill that.

 

[mighty hornet]

so I guess you're saying that band battle was a waste and nobody came because of it.


and don't try to act like you don't know the reason attendance was down for this year's SCG. L, you're over on that other site saying the same thing I'm saying about the weather effecting the game, but now you wanna play dumb.

again, let's try to keep it real

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
so I guess you're saying that band battle was a waste and nobody came because of it.


and don't try to act like you don't know the reason attendance was down for this year's SCG. L, you're over on that other site saying the same thing I'm saying about the weather effecting the game, but now you wanna play dumb.

again, let's try to keep it real

Yeah lets keep it real, your the only one here playing dumb (I hope) as if you don't know what everybody is saying and doing your usual diverting.

Bottom line there was no freezing cold and rain for the GSU/A & M game, Neither game 3 and its clear the only reason all you bama folks harp on this is because your thinking about what's best for bama not the swac, because if you weren't you would help but up better numbers than this.

 

[mighty hornet]

Originally posted by bluedog
your usual diverting.

Nope, I have been VERY consistent in what I'm saying. If anybody is diverting it's you, my brother. Over here questioning the attendance from this wknd and at the same time, over there, saying how horrible the weather was.

keep it real!

Neither game 3 and its clear the only reason all you bama folks harp on this is because your thinking about what's best for bama not the swac, because if you weren't you would help but up better numbers than this.

I guess you refuse to put 2 and 2 together, so I'll spell it out to you, and then, you can move on and try something else.
The crowd ASU had in SCG 3 is more than any school had at any of the SCGs. Yes, more than SU had in SCG 1 with perfect weather. More than JSU in SCG 1.

soooooo, you might wanna try something else

 

[KCPVPanther]

The SCG - It's not a happening event

The SCG can never be big say 75 K or better. That is because or fringe fans, people who support the SWAC but necessarily don't belong to a school typically support it in one way, by watching or attending the Bayou Classic. And any promoter would tell you, you can't have the conference's biggest game right before your championship game. The SCG has to be the biggest game or it will not work. And that why you get the 35 K people.

The game would work in New Orleans if the Bayou Classic was not right in front of it. After Thanksgiving, the 1-A's drown all other football games. Right now the SCG is not a happening so it falls off the radar screen.

Big 12 for example, they have sacrificed some big games for the whole of the conference. OU-NEB used to be big. They don't play every year now. Tex and A&m still play their game on Thanksgiving weekend but the championship is still two weeks later.

The Big 12 came back to KC because the college fans of the Big 12 love coming here. The red carpet is rolled out and you eat some good BBQ. Also the tailgating atmosphere at Arrowhead is like no other in the nation.

We can't compare our game to Big 12. We as fans are too cheap. Tickets easily were $50 min and $75 to 100 in the lower level. This does not include a $13 parking fee. Average fan stayed 2.5 days in a hotel. Weather to the majority is not a problem. They just decide if they are bringing their kids or not. Drop below 50 and folks get worried. That why we are a late ticket buying crowd. Don't want to spend the money if we are not going to go.

Lastly our peers (black folks) that did not go to college but live in the area would rather support/watch/attend the big Div 1A schools games than the schools that have instructed every relative they know. That is the problem with Houston.

KCPVPanther

KCPVPanther

 

[Bartram]

YEP.

Originally posted by mighty hornet
Nope, I have been VERY consistent in what I'm saying. If anybody is diverting it's you, my brother. Over here questioning the attendance from this wknd and at the same time, over there, saying how horrible the weather was.

keep it real!

I guess you refuse to put 2 and 2 together, so I'll spell it out to you, and then, you can move on and try something else.
The crowd ASU had in SCG 3 is more than any school had at any of the SCGs. Yes, more than SU had in SCG 1 with perfect weather. More than JSU in SCG 1.

soooooo, you might wanna try something else

MASSIVE CO-SIGN HERE, massive co-sign. :tup:

,,, and then there's this from an associate of mine in Birmingham:

///
I heard on the news this morning (don't remember which station) that Birmingham officials hope to have the groundbreaking ceremony for the dome in spring 2004.
///:tup:

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
Nope, I have been VERY consistent in what I'm saying. If anybody is diverting it's you, my brother. Over here questioning the attendance from this wknd and at the same time, over there, saying how horrible the weather was.

keep it real!




I guess you refuse to put 2 and 2 together, so I'll spell it out to you, and then, you can move on and try something else.
The crowd ASU had in SCG 3 is more than any school had at any of the SCGs. Yes, more than SU had in SCG 1 with perfect weather. More than JSU in SCG 1.

soooooo, you might wanna try something else

See this is why there no need to talk to you or anybody that thinks like you. When your put in a corner you simply start tellings lies or try to put a spin on it ,now how in the hell you going to say the asu crowd out drew any SCG ?

There were 47k plus at the first SCG, but your going sit there and tell a bald face lie that the asu crowd out drew any SCG and than your able to get some dummy to backup your lie.


SWAC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME ATTENDANCE
GAME 1, DEC. 11, 1999
Southern vs. Jackson State - 47,621

GAME 2, DEC. 2, 2000
Grambling vs. Alabama A&M - 34,687

GAME 3, DEC. 1, 2001
Grambling vs. Alabama State - 38,487

GAME 4, DEC. 14, 2002
Grambling vs. Alabama A&M - 23,727

GAME 5, DEC. 13, 2003
Alabama State vs. Southern - 31,617

 

[mighty hornet]

bluedog, bluedog, bluedog
:smh::smh::smh:

Not ONE time did I say the ASU crowd outdrew any SCG total

what I said was that ASU had more fans there than any other school

guess I'll have to break it down even further for you.
sheesh

SCG 1
and to show you just how farfetched this scenario is, let's pretend that NOBODY there was drawn to the band battle and no neutral fans, just all SU or JSU fans.
And it appeared that it was about even with the 2 schools, so that would leave about 23.5K SU fans, 23.5 JSU fans


flash forward to SCG 3, total attendance 38K
Since there was NO band battle there, we aint got to pretend about that one.
I'll be real, real nice and say 10K fans were from Gram (yeah right)
Go do the rest of the math!!!!

 

[YOU2]

I think we need to let this rest.

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
bluedog, bluedog, bluedog
:smh::smh::smh:

Not ONE time did I say the ASU crowd outdrew any SCG total

what I said was that ASU had more fans there than any other school

guess I'll have to break it down even further for you.
sheesh

SCG 1
and to show you just how farfetched this scenario is, let's pretend that NOBODY there was drawn to the band battle and no neutral fans, just all SU or JSU fans.
And it appeared that it was about even with the 2 schools, so that would leave about 23.5K SU fans, 23.5 JSU fans
flash forward to SCG 3, total attendance 38K
Since there was NO band battle there, we aint got to pretend about that one.
I'll be real, real nice and say 10K fans were from Gram (yeah right)
Go do the rest of the math!!!!

Originally posted by mighty hornet
Nope, I have been VERY consistent in what I'm saying. If anybody is diverting it's you, my brother. Over here questioning the attendance from this wknd and at the same time, over there, saying how horrible the weather was.

keep it real!




I guess you refuse to put 2 and 2 together, so I'll spell it out to you, and then, you can move on and try something else.
The crowd ASU had in SCG 3 is more than any school had at any of the SCGs. Yes, more than SU had in SCG 1 with perfect weather. More than JSU in SCG 1.

soooooo, you might wanna try something else

Dude your so full of it until it's not even funny anymore, your trying to tell everybody on this board that because of the battle of the bands there was 17k more or so people than normal and expect us to buy that without any fact, just your word of mouth.

Well if the bands draw that much attention without a football game than why is PV,MVSU,UAPB,GSU and TSU home attendance so low? You do know that gram has been winning the last three yrs....right?


I agree with you YOU2 because trying to have a conversation with someone who doesn't understand that spinning is no different than lying is very draining.

 

[mighty hornet]

I refuse to believe you're this slow! I have broken this down to a level, that anybody with walking around sense would understand what I'm saying.

Originally posted by bluedog
Dude your so full of it until it's not even funny anymore, your trying to tell everybody on this board that because of the battle of the bands there was 17k more or so people than normal and expect us to buy that without any fact, just your word of mouth.

ummmmmm, remember, I pretended that nobody was there for the bands and took them out of the equation altogether.

So, in SCG 1, every last soul there was either an SU fan or a JSU fan.

:smh:

now back to the point, I was making, which is a Bama school can draw at this game and don't need Su to do it.


tell me, which school had more fans than ASU did at SCG 3.



this really aint rocket science.

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by mighty hornet
I refuse to believe you're this slow! I have broken this down to a level, that anybody with walking around sense would understand what I'm saying.

ummmmmm, remember, I pretended that nobody was there for the bands and took them out of the equation altogether.

So, in SCG 1, every last soul there was either an SU fan or a JSU fan.

:smh:

now back to the point, I was making, which is a Bama school can draw at this game and don't need Su to do it.


tell me, which school had more fans than ASU did at SCG 3.



this really aint rocket science.

Ncaa attendance record

Ncaa attendance record

2002 Division I-AA Football Attendance

2001 Div. I-AA Home Football Attendance

2000 Div. I-AA Home Football Attendance

1999 NCAA DIVISION I-AA

1998 NCAA Division I-AA Football

Btw this is what's called a track record, something people use to project and base facts on. What's alabama's? Thinking to myself, "FOOL" this is the same guy that said SU won't win the SCG because their players would be in awe of the huge crowd because they aren't accustom to that and wondering why I'm even wasting space

 

[mighty hornet]

:smh::smh:


ummmm,
Happy Holidays to you and your family bluedog

 

[bluedog]

Whats wrong ran out of lies..opps sorry spins?

 

[lil_j]

Let's be honest here, the swac fan base "collectively" doesn't have the money and will to support events like this in one city. That's why rotating the game between B-ham(Free facilities), Nawlins(Night Life), and Houston(A lot to do) would be best for the Swac title game. The biggest advantage of a rotating game is that you can get "ALL" of the Swac fan base involved and not just the participating schools.

I'm sure if the Swac championship game came to Houston on a "rotating basis" surrounded by "other" events such as a BOTB Houstonians would support it. But it can't be a "yearly" thing because it would get old quick and people will get tired of it. Bringing the Swac title game to Houston on a rotating basis would give Houston a chance to see a lot os SWAC schools and bands that we normally don't get a chance to see. That alone would be good for attendance.

B-ham has it merits also, thats why the game should not be "completly" taken away from them. You can't deny that the free facilities is enough reason to hold it there. You would just have to take your chances every three years with the weather. But having it in B-Ham "every" year isn't a great idea. First of all the weather is iffy iffy and secondly no one from the far western Swac schools is going to travel "all the way" to B-ham if there school isn't involved.

New Orleans speaks for itself.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO CAN ARGUE WITH ROTATING THE GAME BETWEEN THESE 3 CITIES?

 

[PLOW DOG]

bluedog!

Were at the SCG last weekend?

 

[Ice Man]

The SWAC game and headquarters should be located on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. It central to all the SWAC schools, no school would be put at a disadvantage getting there, the weather is perfect for football this time of the year, it's a vacation spot that offers others activites the a sports fan might be interested in.

 

[Jafus (Thinker)]

Lil J,

Let's be honest here, the swac fan base "collectively" doesn't have the money and will to support events like this in one city. That's why rotating the game between B-ham(Free facilities), Nawlins(Night Life), and Houston(A lot to do) would be best for the Swac title game. The biggest advantage of a rotating game is that you can get "ALL" of the Swac fan base involved and not just the participating schools.

I'm sure if the Swac championship game came to Houston on a "rotating basis" surrounded by "other" events such as a BOTB Houstonians would support it. But it can't be a "yearly" thing because it would get old quick and people will get tired of it. Bringing the Swac title game to Houston on a rotating basis would give Houston a chance to see a lot os SWAC schools and bands that we normally don't get a chance to see. That alone would be good for attendance.

B-ham has it merits also, thats why the game should not be "completly" taken away from them. You can't deny that the free facilities is enough reason to hold it there. You would just have to take your chances every three years with the weather. But having it in B-Ham "every" year isn't a great idea. First of all the weather is iffy iffy and secondly no one from the far western Swac schools is going to travel "all the way" to B-ham if there school isn't involved.

New Orleans speaks for itself.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO CAN ARGUE WITH ROTATING THE GAME BETWEEN THESE 3 CITIES?

I do not have major problem with the scenario.