Where should the SWAC Championship football be played?

[Mr. SWAC]

Dude, no one is taking a Bama against the SWAC stance on this but you all that keep bringing this dumb arse topic up. You peoples only knock on B-Ham is preference. Hell if ATL could prove they could support their sports teams I wouldn't have a problem moving the damn game. Same for Houston. When When TxSU and/or PV ever make the top 5 attendance in the SWAC, then I would seriously give them a look. We have 2 universities damn near in the city, but the 4th largest city can't even put 10,000 butts in the stadium of these two universities. I'm not knocking TxSU or PV, just stating fact. Y'all are flying high off of assumptions and perception. AAMU damn near had better avg basketball attendance than the Atlanta Hawks. And this is the place you want to move the SCG. Look how it treated the Heritage Bowl. After a while they didn't even want anything to do with it. A lot of you on here are scared to face reality. WE ARE A D1-AA CONFERENCE. EVEN THOUGH WE LEAD ATTENDANCE IN D1AA WE DON'T AVG. THAT OF SEC TEAMS. SOME OF YOU SEE YOURSELVES WAY BIGGER THAN YOU REALLY ARE. 50,000 is not something that is impossible to have in B-ham every year, but it has to get to that first. This game can avg. over 50,000 a year, but you have to let it grow.

All of Bama fans arguements are based off of things solid. Fiscal numbers, and logical reasoning. You are basing your arguements off of preference, and "rolling the dice" ideals. This isn't about the SWAC, because if it was you would see past your own myopia that the SWAC does have a good thing. WHY fugg it up?

 

[unknown]

And Birmingham isnt exactly full of nightlife either. Unless you consider riding up and down first avenue after the game fun. I do think that it should be between NO and Jackson simply because of location...as far as things to do i'd say Houston or NO.

 

[Mr. SWAC]

Which brings us back to the question, "what are these cities doing to out-bid B-Ham?" Charge us $200,000 for the use of the stadium is not something I consider as a positive, or a progressive move.

 

[mighty hornet]

Originally posted by Mr. SWAC
[BA lot of you on here are scared to face reality. WE ARE A D1-AA CONFERENCE. EVEN THOUGH WE LEAD ATTENDANCE IN D1AA WE DON'T AVG. THAT OF SEC TEAMS. SOME OF YOU SEE YOURSELVES WAY BIGGER THAN YOU REALLY ARE. 50,000 is not something that is impossible to have in B-ham every year, but it has to get to that first. This game can avg. over 50,000 a year, but you have to let it grow.

All of Bama fans arguements are based off of things solid. Fiscal numbers, and logical reasoning. You are basing your arguements off of preference, and "rolling the dice" ideals. This isn't about the SWAC, because if it was you would see past your own myopia that the SWAC does have a good thing. WHY fugg it up?

good post

Some of us living in a fantasy world where our attendance numbers rival the bigger conferences in 1A., like we're so high and mighty that we can turn our nose up to pulling over 30K for a game, in miserable weather. Even though the truth of the matter is, not ONE school is this conference average anywhere close to 30K

get real people, Houston aint some magical answer for attendance. If it was, well TxSou and PV would be pulling in the crowds.

 

[Normal1875]

Originally posted by Tigerpride

...and TRU, stop cosigning like D-Town. Actually, Bham is not bad for JSU but it is bad for the SWAC.

its not cosigning TP!....If what you said about Bham doesnt make sense it doesnt make sense!!! but why am I not surprised:idea:....from the looks of it JSU wont be in the SCG anytime soon so your faced with supporting the SCG as a SWAC fan! something you wont do...

 

[northern tiger]

Why can't the same people in Alabama who attend the Magic City Classic attend the SCG? Isn't that game played in Legion Field? If people in Alabama don't like our attitude towards the championship, you all need to support the game attendance wise to prove your point. Why is it that the largest attendance was for two out-of-state schools (JSU vs. SU)?

 

[YOU2]

Originally posted by northern tiger
Why can't the same people in Alabama who attend the Magic City Classic attend the SCG? Isn't that game played in Legion Field? If people in Alabama don't like our attitude towards the championship, you all need to support the game attendance wise to prove your point. Why is it that the largest attendance was for two out-of-state schools (JSU vs. SU)?

Are you saying the Labor Day Classic fans are going to attend the SCG?

 

[SU Jag 79]

Originally posted by northern tiger
Why can't the same people in Alabama who attend the Magic City Classic attend the SCG? Isn't that game played in Legion Field? If people in Alabama don't like our attitude towards the championship, you all need to support the game attendance wise to prove your point. Why is it that the largest attendance was for two out-of-state schools (JSU vs. SU)?

Finally, somebody got to the question I wanted to ask all along.

30,000 is fine, but when we see 70,000 in New Orleans, 60,000 is Dallas and Birmingham and over 50,000 involving other SWAC teams against SWAC teams, one has to wonder about why we can't have that for the SCG and Alabama ..... Where do y'all go after November? Where was A&M? They are closer to B-Ham than Bama State in Montgomery, right?

It's not just y'all, don't get me wrong(Grambling, Mississippi schools, and Texas Schools :redhot: ), but when I see pictures of an almost full Legion Field weeks before the SCG and then we can't find Bama State or Bama A&M fans to fill one side of the stadium when one of them is IN the game, something's wrong.

 

[EB]

I really did not want to get into this. But the attendance for the PV-TSU game is a lot larger than 10K. Consider that one of the schools that plays in Dallas in October is PV. Consider the team's lack of a winning record in football. I just had to add a few facts to the discussion.

Originally posted by BulldogM.Ed.23
<---would rather see all SWAC schools play each other during the regular season with the SWAC Champ making a run in the 1-AA playoffs.....,

As for Gram. and Southern why not move the BC bacK???

I know how you feel. But one can open up a can of worms with these comments.

 

[northern tiger]

Originally posted by YOU2
Are you saying the Labor Day Classic fans are going to attend the SCG?

Thank you for mentioning another set of people in AL. who can attend SCG. It sounds like you all have untapped sources of revenue that aren't being used to your advantage.

 

[DAHILL]

Originally posted by northern tiger
Why can't the same people in Alabama who attend the Magic City Classic attend the SCG? Isn't that game played in Legion Field? If people in Alabama don't like our attitude towards the championship, you all need to support the game attendance wise to prove your point. Why is it that the largest attendance was for two out-of-state schools (JSU vs. SU)?

You had fans from JSU, SU, AAMU, and Bama St there.... Honestly any time AAMU or ASU doesnt make it to the champtionship game attendence will be higher because you will have fans from 3 East schools there. I didnt see one JSU shirt, hat or anything at the game Saturday and it is closer than any other school besides AAMU and ASU.... this comes back to my original post.... MOST fans arent going to go if their team isnt playing. You cant tell me that you didnt see alot of AAMU paro at the game Saturday.... Matter of fact I saw more Miles paro than any other school there other than SU, AAMU, ASU.

 

[Mr. SWAC]

Originally posted by SU Jag 79
Finally, somebody got to the question I wanted to ask all along.

30,000 is fine, but when we see 70,000 in New Orleans, 60,000 is Dallas and Birmingham and over 50,000 involving other SWAC teams against SWAC teams, one has to wonder about why we can't have that for the SCG and Alabama ..... Where do y'all go after November? Where was A&M? They are closer to B-Ham than Bama State in Montgomery, right?

These games that you are mentioning are "Classics" that have been going on for at least 30 years and more. They had time to grow each year. Damn, why can't some people see that? Stop living in la la land. We can't just pick up and go where ever the hell we please and pack out that stadium in the 1st year, and have multi-million $ sponsors the 1st year. We ain't on that level yet.

And about were was A&M fans. I was there, and I saw a lot of other A&M students and alumni at the game. A whole lot more were supposed to come, but didn't make the road trip because of the horrible weather. Not only that. A&M and ASU fans who come to the MCC come from all around the country for that game. The majority of them don't even live in the state, or the South anymore for that matter. That's like saying if the SCG was held in N.O. and GSU was playing Bama St., you would expect all those folks from SU who made it to the BC to come back out of town to fill up Grambling's side of the Superdome.

If the weather wouldn't have been as bad as it was the attendance would have been over 40k easy. Possibly mid to upper.

 

[mighty hornet]

Anybody in their right mind would recognize that the weather greatly effected attendance this past weekend. That's not worth a debate there, so to bring the attendance from this past wknd up as some kind of negative is crazy.

And people, the SCG aint about to rival major 1A conference championships as far as attendance. Nor will it rival regular season classics, between in-state teams. It's not even a matter of where it's played. We aint drawing 60K + for these games. You can put it in a Dome, you can put it in any city you want, and you will attract the same crowd---fans of the teams involved, some neutral parties, and a few locals.

btw, the Heritage Bowl was played in a Dome. In a city with nightlife and entertainment. With a large black population. With alumni from a lot of HBCUs.

I wonder where were the 60K crowd for those games. Or even 50K........

 

[Robber]

I'm still trying to figure out why y'all are so stuck on attendance when that ain't where 10 schools are gonna make any serious money. Again, this is supposed to be about money. Not just playing a game and crowning a champ. We can do that through the season.

 

[bluedog]

The bottomline is no one wants to endure horrible weather that time of year. It wouldn't be as bad if it were summer and as for as how many would show if it were in a dome I beg the differ.

You have a couple of things going on here , a conf. rival that's should even be more heated because 9 out 10 times one of the teams would have lost to the other.


Since birmingham is suppose to be the new football mega now you should get a vast number of bamaians there. The question raise as to why weren't there more in numbers is very valid.

The other games being a classic isn't a valid excuse IMO as to why there aren't and I think what people who asked this question are merely saying that if only a third of that group showed up the attendance should always hover around 50k.

Point in case, as you all know we pride ourselves on our support of our school particularly football. When the springs game were hosted here (baseball/softball) the stadium stay pack even when SU wasn't playing people would come earlly to watch the earlier games or stay late after watching su.

So to me the question that someone pose as to why weren't there more bama fans support IMO is very valid.

 

[DAHILL]

Originally posted by bluedog
Point in case, as you all know we pride ourselves on our support of our school particularly football. When the springs game were hosted here (baseball/softball) the stadium stay pack even when SU wasn't playing people would come earlly to watch the earlier games or stay late after watching su.

So to me the question that someone pose as to why weren't there more bama fans support IMO is very valid.

Now you are comparing a PACKED baseball/softball game to a football game... I have see SU's baseball stadium and while it is nice, its not like it seats 5,000 people.... I also dont recall seeing a large number of seats at the softball stadium, so what is the point????

 

[Bartram]

The point?

Originally posted by DAHILL
Now you are comparing a PACKED baseball/softball game to a football game... I have see SU's baseball stadium and while it is nice, its not like it seats 5,000 people.... I also dont recall seeing a large number of seats at the softball stadium, so what is the point????

none as usual.

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by DAHILL
Now you are comparing a PACKED baseball/softball game to a football game... I have see SU's baseball stadium and while it is nice, its not like it seats 5,000 people.... I also dont recall seeing a large number of seats at the softball stadium, so what is the point????

The point is it was supported well the size has nothing to do with it,as a matter of fact since we all know baseball isn't consider a major sport by most just makes it even that more astounding.

All I think that anybody is saying when they ask about why wasn't the SCG support by more people from bama since you all have claim to be the new mega of football is to stop talking and show it with support.

Do you or any body from alabama honestly think that if that game was held in La. that it wouldn't have been even more la. fans there?

No.... and you know this to be true, the last three SCG or so all involved a ala. school and for all the talk about being the football capitol of the world or whatever, the numbers don't show it.

Yes they are respectable but they are way off from where they should be at this point and time with ala. being the host state and having both schools participate all these years.

Again everyone know full well if that game was held in either La. or Missippissi for those many yrs. back to back and the host state having their school in it the numbers would be much different.

 

[Bartram]

attendance ashmendance.

Originally posted by Robber
I'm still trying to figure out why y'all are so stuck on attendance when that ain't where 10 schools are gonna make any serious money. Again, this is supposed to be about money. Not just playing a game and crowning a champ. We can do that through the season.

the bottom line is some folk can't get over the SWAC championship not being in their back yard, plain and simple. turn the page "bring it back"ers,,, just turn the page for FREAKING crying out loud.

 

[lil_j]

As someone else previously stated, "THE GAME SHOULD ROTATE." It shouldn't even be a debate, B-ham-N'awlins, H-Town.

 

[bluedog]

Originally posted by lil_j
As someone else previously stated, "THE GAME SHOULD ROTATE." It shouldn't even be a debate, B-ham-N'awlins, H-Town.

That 's one of the few great ideas about it, but to have it constantly in a place where the weather has been bad the last three year without a dome is the biggest problem.

All you have to do is look at the numbers the first year, but some folks are so busy(even though they won't admit it) with the bama against the swac crap they can't see that, even those who don't have a thing to do with it because they don't attend either school and actually would rather have us particpate in the playoffs so that we can not only not make much money but lose it, as long as its in bama its ok.

 

[EB]

Originally posted by Robber
I'm still trying to figure out why y'all are so stuck on attendance when that ain't where 10 schools are gonna make any serious money. Again, this is supposed to be about money. Not just playing a game and crowning a champ. We can do that through the season.

I am cosigning this. Remember folks. They were talking about the money when this game was formed.

 

[YOU2]

We can put this to rest because, the game is not going anywhere for a while.

 

[northern tiger]

Attendance has to be considered because you won't find a company nor city to financially sponsor or host a game that doesn't have great fan support. They go hand in hand.

 

[Tigerpride]

Mighty Hornet,

What does Atlanta care about the SWAC or the MEAC??? If people came to that game, they had to travel and black folk don't have money to do that after Thanksgiving and right before Christmas or New Years. Also, tickets were 25 dollars when most people are just going to look cute.

We can get 60K at this game especially if it is played in Jackson but if we want to make money off of this, we need to make a weekend out of it especially if we are not going to have a JSU/Alcorn vs Gram/SU matchup. Bham presently does not have the facilities to make this a weekend/family event. Neither does Jackson but Jackson would be better head to head for the "football game" only scenerio that we have going on now.