When did this intense Jackson State-Southern rivalry began? JSU-SU Old Heads help!


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bernard

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I heard it started in 1984, when Dowell Taylor assumed the position as JSU's band director, like Greggs, Dowell Taylor was very competitive, he didn't copy other bands, he wanted to be the trend setter, Greggs noticed what Taylor was doing at Jackson State and the rivalry become intense, is this true?
 
I was there in 1984 and I don't recall any intense rivalry with any band. Competition was one thing, but this extreme put down of other bands has gotten totally RIDICULOUS!!

People now don't respect the craft of others as they once did. But leave it to people who wasn't born until the eighties to have all the answers. :rolleyes:

Probably started when college bands started letting anybody join the band(GANGBANGERS!!) People like that who care nothing about themselves or others. CLOWNS!! :redhot:
 



Originally posted by ShyLadyTiger
I was there in 1984 and I don't recall any intense rivalry with any band. Competition was one thing, but this extreme put down of other bands has gotten totally RIDICULOUS!!

People now don't respect the craft of others as they once did. But leave it to people who wasn't born until the eighties to have all the answers. :rolleyes:

Probably started when college bands started letting anybody join the band(GANGBANGERS!!) People like that who care nothing about themselves or others. CLOWNS!! :redhot:
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I really do feel you. All I can say is that this is another generation who doesn't share the same societal norms we grew up with.
 
Unfortunately, mutual respect for creative difference is lost on "Generation X". Let's try to help them, shall we?:o :o
 
Re: When did this intense Jackson State-Southern rivalry began? JSU-SU Old Heads hel

Originally posted by ASU
I heard it started in 1984, when Dowell Taylor assumed the position as JSU's band director, like Greggs, Dowell Taylor was very competitive, he didn't copy other bands, he wanted to be the trend setter, Greggs noticed what Taylor was doing at Jackson State and the rivalry become intense, is this true?
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First of all the rivalry to me now is "NOT" intense. There is just more trash talking. In my opinion I have seen some lackluster performances by both bands on the same night. A few of us old head KKPSI bruhs from SU and JSU was just saying a few years ago how this rivalry has lost some intensity. It seemed like the kids were just going through the motion on the field. No fire, no drive.

The difference now and then is the "trash talk". We talked back then but it was a respect factor and we always knew we had to bring our A game when we played each other. Same with Texas Southern.

But to answer the question of when did the rivalry begin. I think it became heated in the mid to late 70's and carried on until Taylor left. I know Doc don't be hyped up for Liddell and JSU like he was for Haughton and Taylor. He and Taylor were cool as was he and Haughton. Taylor also did take some things that Doc did and used it at JSU. Remember Taylor although a JSU grad had just come from Kentucky State were they were corp style back then. So he had to pick up some things. Just look at JSU drills in 84 when he first got there and then look at tapes during his last few years there. He incorporated a little corp into the Boom. The drum section was totally different under Haughton. Taylor has told me himself he thought highly of Doc and I know Doc thought highly of him, but I think Doc and Liddell aint that cool. So that may breed a little contempt for the other band. I know Liddell told me one time I ran into him in Jackson that he likes SU band but not how Doc does things over there. Whatever that meant.

So the rivalry is now more trash talk than substance. Both bands are still the top of the SWAC but the some of the most intense battles were a long, long time ago. This is just my opinion from growing up in Jackson and watching as a kid to me playing in the Jukebox vs JSU and now having watched from the stands for the last 15 years.
 
I'll tell you when it started. It started way back when both bands became #1 in the SWAC. SU is on point and so is JSU. Everyone must admit that these two bands are the best in the nation.
 
Alcorn and JSU has an intense rivalry. As far as competition back in the days when McNair was at the Corn, the classic was something to look forward to. Now the CCC is lopsided band and football. When SU came to Jsu in 93 that was a war band and football. If I had to pick a time the su-Jsu game became serious was in 99 when they beat us twice in football. We did come to Baton Rouge in 90 and ranned Southern up out of there. Band was on another level back then....
 
Originally posted by Legend35
I really do feel you. All I can say is that this is another generation who doesn't share the same societal norms we grew up with.
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:wavey: Legend

Exactly!


Originally posted by vertojus
Unfortunately, mutual respect for creative difference is lost on "Generation X". Let's try to help them, shall we?:o :o
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:wavey: Frie!

If everyone were alike, what would be the point of competition. That's where creative difference comes into place. WE ARE NOT ALL ALIKE! Respect and appreciate it. Okay verto, I'll try to help them. :swink:
 
Originally posted by ShyLadyTiger
I was there in 1984 and I don't recall any intense rivalry with any band. Competition was one thing, but this extreme put down of other bands has gotten totally RIDICULOUS!!

People now don't respect the craft of others as they once did. But leave it to people who wasn't born until the eighties to have all the answers. :rolleyes:

Probably started when college bands started letting anybody join the band(GANGBANGERS!!) People like that who care nothing about themselves or others. CLOWNS!! :redhot:
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I was born in 78......:D
 
Originally posted by Boom90
Alcorn and JSU has an intense rivalry. As far as competition back in the days when McNair was at the Corn, the classic was something to look forward to. Now the CCC is lopsided band and football. When SU came to Jsu in 93 that was a war band and football. If I had to pick a time the su-Jsu game became serious was in 99 when they beat us twice in football. We did come to Baton Rouge in 90 and ranned Southern up out of there. Band was on another level back then....
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Band was on another level back? Please explain why.....

Sound wise in the stands there are some years in the late 90's that wasn't no joke even to old school at SU.. Now I know some old school got it in their heads already, "aww they came after us, anin't no way they sounded better than our year..."

That's a lie...95,96, 97, 99.....and some other years would have went to war with alot of our old school bands...


The big difference is YOU all had directors back then that new each other....and since they were hype, you all of course feed off of their hypness.....

You must realize being at SU, in the mid 90's to now....all of DOC friends are pretty much dead.....So he don't wanna go to war with none of these other bands....but that don't stop us from being ready as a band. Now it do stop creativity, because every time we came up with some creative stuff DOC was there to shot it down.....DOC wanted to be comfortable....sheed he no one to prove himself to.....So that in turn effected the band. We still did what we had to do, but if the head man wasn't feeling a battle, there wasn't going to be a battle.

Only way it will chance is when band directors actually start talking to each others again, and building some kind of bond, then the isht talking will start again between the BD's and the rest will follow from there....

I mean we can talk all the isht we want to on here, but the band members ain'ty about to make DOC stay no where he don't want to stay....
 
Originally posted by SUtrp96
Band was on another level back? Please explain why.....

Sound wise in the stands there are some years in the late 90's that wasn't no joke even to old school at SU.. Now I know some old school got it in their heads already, "aww they came after us, anin't no way they sounded better than our year..."

That's a lie...95,96, 97, 99.....and some other years would have went to war with alot of our old school bands...
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Don't misread us old heads. The reality is that the expectations that we have of today's bands are much higher. The instruments are better, there is more private instruction, technology is far superior, and the aptitude of today's students SHOULD BE higher than it was in our day. Its just like a parent setting a higher bar for his children than he had for himself. Is that the right approach? I happen to think so.

Originally posted by SUtrp96
The big difference is YOU all had directors back then that new each other....and since they were hype, you all of course feed off of their hypness.....

You must realize being at SU, in the mid 90's to now....all of DOC friends are pretty much dead.....So he don't wanna go to war with none of these other bands....but that don't stop us from being ready as a band. Now it do stop creativity, because every time we came up with some creative stuff DOC was there to shot it down.....DOC wanted to be comfortable....sheed he no one to prove himself to.....So that in turn effected the band. We still did what we had to do, but if the head man wasn't feeling a battle, there wasn't going to be a battle.
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I think you are right on target with this.

Originally posted by SUtrp96
Only way it will chance is when band directors actually start talking to each others again, and building some kind of bond, then the isht talking will start again between the BD's and the rest will follow from there....

I mean we can talk all the isht we want to on here, but the band members ain'ty about to make DOC stay no where he don't want to stay....
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I wonder how many college/university BD's actually participate in the national music conferences and symposiums (giving the SWAC BD's and opportunity to assemble)...or even the statewide level.
 



Originally posted by SUtrp96
I was born in 78......:D
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You and Jagtone just made it under the wire! :lol:

It could be the fact that the band directors don't get to know each other on a professional level. That mutual respect for each other would help elimate much of the disrespect that the band members have for one another's craft. Like I mentioned before, competition is good, but all out disrespect is 'ridiculous'. Kids do follow the lead that is presented before them.

Very good observation you made bringing up the point about directors needing to assemble themselves SUtrp! :tup: :swink:
 
Originally posted by SUtrp96
It's true though...they don't develope knee caps until 6 months later...

:D
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I believe you, bruh.

Now back to the previously scheduled programming....:smash: :swink:
 
Re: Is that a parable ???

Originally posted by Legend35
I want to know if his point have anything to do with the subject???
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Let's ask him.

SUtrp,

Are you trying to tell us something by speaking in parables?
Or are you just plain old thread-jacking! :)
 
Yeah, I was relating it to Crit. calling us babies....don't worry about it, it will only confuse yall....I just confused myself...


:)
 
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