Vonage...


Da_Sperm

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I am in the process of giving this a try. So far so good.

In case you are not familiar with Vonage, they provide telephone service over your high speed internet service at a much better rate than most local phone service providers.

Has anyone else given Vonage or any other IP phone service a try for residential use?
 



Da_Sperm said:
Has anyone else given Vonage or any other IP phone service a try for residential use?
I tried Comcast (digital phone service) for a bit and it was OK, but the customer support and billing sucked to high hell. I had to give it up.
 
What happens when your power goes out? After the experiences I've had and seen during the hurricanes, there are times when landlines are your only communication to the outside world.
 
We still have a land line. I would explain it, but for me to do so would leave you as :xeye: as I am.

All I know is, I'm supposed to make long distance calls on the grey phones, but not the white ones. That, and that I don't answer ANY phone when it rings anymore.

Other than that, it's tha SHIZNIT! :tup:
 
Vinita said:
We still have a land line. I would explain it, but for me to do so would leave you as :xeye: as I am.

All I know is, I'm supposed to make long distance calls on the grey phones, but not the white ones. That, and that I don't answer ANY phone when it rings anymore.

Other than that, it's tha SHIZNIT! :tup:

lol...so is the land line provided by vonage? Or is that a seperate bill? That would be the selling point for me.
 
Venom Skywalker said:
What happens when your power goes out? After the experiences I've had and seen during the hurricanes, there are times when landlines are your only communication to the outside world.

Vonage has this feature called Network Dialing. What this does is you have to enter a phone number (cell phone perhaps) as your network number. When ever you don't have electricity or your internet service is down, all your calls will be forwarded to your network phone number (I our case, my cell phone). So you still will have phone communication.

Vonage does not provide a land line, their service is thru the high speed internet service. Here are some advantages:

1) Caller ID, Call Waiting, Voicemail, 3-Way Calling, Call Forwarding, Call Transfer.

2) Ability to get an e-mail notice when you recieve a new voicemail.

3) Ability to check your voice mail via your personal e-mail. The voicemail is sent to your designating e-mail account in the form of a .wav file.

4) Virtual Numbers - If you live out of state (TX), give mom (Arkansas) an Arkansas number with an Arkansas area code. When she dials that number, it will ring your home phone and not be a long distance charge to you or her.

5) Never have to change phone numbers again. Say you move from North Dallas to the south suburbs of Dallas or even to Houston. You can keep the same number. It works just as if it were a cell phone.

6) $24.95/month plan includes unlimited long distance along with the above features.

7) Sound is digital, so it is crystal clear as compared to analog phone lines.

8) Going out of town? Take your phone adapter with you to the hotel and hook it up to their free internet service and talk on the phone as if you were at home in your living room. Make calls to anywhere.

Disadvantages:

1) Dependent on electricity and internet service being up.
2) Is not a land line.
 
Sperm's biggest disadvantage at this point is explaining it to me so I won't continue to be :xeye: ...
 
Use the grey phone for long distance, otherwise use any phone.

Don't worry about the behind the scenes technical workings.
 
Sperm, do you have to dial a 1 for long distance calls?

I'm thinking about picking up the service and telling bellsouth to hit the road jack.
 
Well it is going on a month since I got Vonage installed and I am really diggin it so far. It is really cool. I also like the call log that I can access online.

If you are considering doing VOIP....try Vonage.
 
The only problem with these new VOIP systems is that they are not required to provide 911 service to you. There was a case here in the Houston area where a family was being robbed, the father was shot and the daughter dialed 911 while hiding in a closet and she received a recording stating that 911 service was not available on this phone.

The same technology that allows VoIP users to be mobile is creating difficulties for service providers trying to meet the Federal Communications Commission's requirements for so-called enhanced 911 (E911) requirements. The nature of Internet phoning means that people can make or receive calls at the same phone number regardless of where they are in the world.

To add to the problem, most VoIP service providers don't have a direct line to emergency call centers, using instead a circuitous route.

To give emergency operators some sense of where a VoIP call is coming from, service providers automatically supply them with a subscriber's current address. Problems arise when a 911 call is made over a broadband connection outside the home, such as from a hotel room or a cafe with Wi-Fi connections. Operators may assume the call has been dialed from the home address, unless told otherwise.Most VoIP providers warn their customers of the possible problems and urge them to keep address information up to date. People are also advised to give their location to emergency operators when not at home.
 
Fiyah said:
The only problem with these new VOIP systems is that they are not required to provide 911 service to you. There was a case here in the Houston area where a family was being robbed, the father was shot and the daughter dialed 911 while hiding in a closet and she received a recording stating that 911 service was not available on this phone.

This isn't an issue for me. My vonage line is only in my office. We still have the land line for the rest of the house. My office phone has two extentions so I still have instant access to 911 if I need it.
 
I still have a land line. But Vonage has a 911 call routing system. Every Vonage customer is encoraged to register their phone number with the Vonage 911 service. It links the number with the address and when a Vonage customer calls 911, Vonage will route the call to your local 911 service with your physical adress.

Vonage 911 Dialing
 



I have digital phone thru Time Warner Cable.....pay $30 or so bucks a month....haven't had a problem since.

I had MCI as my phone provider and since the area of town I live in is considered "outside metro" I was forced to join their nationwide plan for "only" $50 a month.

"Only" $50 jumped up to $70-$80 after taxes
 
Da_Sperm said:
I still have a land line. But Vonage has a 911 call routing system. Every Vonage customer is encoraged to register their phone number with the Vonage 911 service. It links the number with the address and when a Vonage customer calls 911, Vonage will route the call to your local 911 service with your physical adress.

Vonage 911 Dialing


Their is still a problem with doing this, since they are routing your call to the PSAP of the address you have listed. If you use your digital service somewhere else like you stated earlier, it will go to the PSAP you listed for your home address. Also, a PSAP is just the primary answering point. When you dial 911 a PSAP operator gets your call and ask if you need police,fire or ambulance and the address and phone will pop on their screen along with a map of where you calling from. It will also automatically show which agency handles your area and when you answer they will send your call to the SSAP (secondary answering point/agency) that services your area. Without that information coming up automatically they will be delayed in getting you in touch with the agency that serves the location you are calling from. At this time the digital service providers are worst off than when cell phone service had this same problem when people would dial 911 and didn't know where they were at. With phase 2 of the 911 cellphone service running, they have the Lat/Log of where you are calling and can route your call to the SSAP immediately. You may get bounced several times before getting the agency that services your area for any emergency service. Although we have a VOIP 911 line set up in our SSAP, it is just a regular phone line that is dialed and we don't get the information on our screens so if you can't physically tell us the location we will not know where you are actually calling from.

I couldn't see paying for 2 phone services at this time.
 
Fiyah said:
I couldn't see paying for 2 phone services at this time.

Fiyah, I see and understand what you are saying. Being in the technology industry, I can understand why a physicall address can't be tied to a VOIP the way traditional land lines are. Also, Vonage clearly states that if you move, you need to update your 911 calling feature with your new address.

My Vonage service is $24.99 per month and a total of $27.50 with taxes. That gives me all the features of a landline plus more (online call log, voicemail notification via pager or e-mail, ability to keep my same phone number no matter where in the US I may move to, digital signal, plus the usual caller id, waiting, voicemail, 3-way, forwarding, etc.) I figure I will use these services more than I will use 911 and hopefully I will remember my address when I do need 911.

I have a landline ($4.99/month with no features, no long distance and 25 outgoing calls per month from SBC). I have the landline to use in case of emergency situation such as power outages, 911 calls, faxes, and for my teenager to us (in-coming only) when the other phone is tied up. With Vongae service and this trim-down landline service, I'm out of $35/month for phone service. I was paying over $80 with taxes for 1 phone.
 
the band fan said:
"Only" $50 jumped up to $70-$80 after taxes

tbf, you got that right. I have Verizon's plan, and it's only supposed to be "$49.95" for unlimited calling, but after taxes, the bill is $87 big ones. Foolish me, I never questioned the bill, I just paid the dayum thing, but after a few months of getting a $113 phone bill (internet included), I asked why in the hell is the bill so high, when the phone bill is roughly $50, and the internet is roughly $35?

I'm like ain't no way in hell I'm supposed to be paying $40 in taxes. So I got rid of the Verizon internet services, and got Comcast, and I was thinking about doing the Vonage thing, and didn't know how it worked, or anyone with the service. I don't know how I missed this thread.

Even though I didn't ask, thanks for the comments Sperm, I'll be switching when I get home.

NICE
 
It seems like everyone that has this, still has a landline, so are you really saving money? I pay about 100 per month for phone and DSL service for verizon, are yall paying much less than that with 2 phone bills, and the net?
 
Before Vonage:
1st Phone line with SBC: $80/month with tax (All distance plan for $49.99 before tax that includes THE WORKS like caller-id, 3-way calling, etc.)
2nd Phone line with SBC: $15/month with tax
Cable Internet: $42.00 with tax

Total: $137 per month


After Vonage:
1st Phone line with Vonage: $27/month with tax (same calling features as above)
2nd Phone line with SBC: $15/month with tax
Cable Internet: $42.00 with tax

Total: $84.00/month

Total Savings is $53.00/month.
 
Took a call this morning from a digital phone line and the caller adv that she has talked to 3 other agencies before getting the correct one (about 10 minutes). When I got the call we received no E911 information on the screen and the lady got a little pissed when we had to ask for her address a couple of times. She was making a call for her husband that was ill, lucky that he wasn't having a heart attack.

But there is hope on the horizon.....

Internet Phones Given 911 Deadline

By DAVID PACE, Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON - Internet phone providers were ordered Thursday to begin supplying reliable 911 emergency call service after regulators heard an anguished Florida woman describe how she was unable to summon help to save her dying infant daughter.

The Federal Communication Commission gave companies 120 days to certify that their customers will be able to reach an emergency dispatcher when they call 911. Also, dispatchers must be able to tell where callers are located and the numbers from which they are calling.

Her voice breaking, Cheryl Waller of Deltona, Fla., told the commissioners before their vote that "120 days is seven days longer than my daughter lived." Julia Waller "died at 113 days old because I can't reach an operator," she said.

Waller said she got a recording when she used her Internet phone to call 911 after her daughter stopped breathing last March. By the time she was able to summon help with a neighbor's phone, the child was dead.

FCC Chairman Kevin J. Martin, who began a push for the 911 rules soon after taking over the agency in March, said such situations are "simply unacceptable."

"Anyone who dials 911 has a reasonable expectation that he or she will be connected to an emergency operator," Martin said.

Internet phone service, known as Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP, shifts calls from wires and switches, using computers and broadband connections to convert sounds into data and transmit them via the Internet.

In many cases, subscribers use conventional phones hooked up to high-speed Internet lines.

But unlike traditional phones, which have a fixed address that a 911 operator can quickly call up, Internet phone service can be mobile. Someone with a laptop who signs up for service in Arizona, for example, may end up calling 911 for an emergency while on a trip to Boston.

Roughly half the nation's estimated 1.5 million VoIP users are served by cable television companies that already provide full-blown 911 capabilities because they only offer phone service to a fixed location.

The FCC's order requires companies that allow customers to use their Internet phones anywhere there is an Internet connection to provide the same emergency capability.

The order follow months of finger-pointing and bickering between VoIP carriers and the traditional local phone companies that own the network connections to the nation's nearly 6,200 "public safety answer points."

The FCC order, approved by a 4-0 vote, requires local phone companies to provide access to their E-911 networks ? those that enable emergency operators to identify the location and telephone number of the caller ? to any telecommunications carrier.

Just before the FCC issued its order, Vonage Holdings Corp., one of the largest VoIP carriers, said it had reached an agreement with BellSouth and SBC Communications to purchase E-911 services for its customers.

BellSouth confirmed the deal. A spokesman for SBC said the arrangement has not been completed. Vonage reached a similar deal with Verizon last week.

John Rego, Vonage's chief financial officer, said arrangements with the three companies will enable Vonage to provide E-911 capability to more than 75 percent of its customers. He said negotiations are continuing with Qwest Communications on a deal to cover the other 25 percent.

"We've been trying to get this access for a year," Rego said. "We'll work as diligently as we can to make this happen in the next 120 days. If we don't get there, the FCC will at least be able to see we've made a very good faith effort."

Companies that fail to meet the 120-day deadline would be subject to the full range of FCC enforcement actions, including fines and cease-and-desist orders.

Under the order, VoIP carriers must provide a way for customers to update their location and callback numbers when they travel. Failure to update that information would cause an emergency operator to assume the call was coming from the last registered location.

The order also requires VoIP carriers to explain to their customers the capabilities and limitations of the emergency response service they are getting with their Internet phones. Connection to a 911 operator, for example, would not be possible for a VOIP customer if there is a power failure or loss of Internet connection.

Internet phone service usually is cheaper than traditional service, ranging from $20 to $50 per month for an unlimited national calling plan. As a result, it has become a rapidly growing industry, something federal regulators said they did not want to slow.

But, commissioner Jonathan Adelstein said, "We cannot let our desire to see VoIP proliferate come at the cost of providing the best emergency services available today, nor can we afford to take any steps backward."

The order does not apply to other Internet-based providers, such as those that offer instant messaging or gaming services that contain voice components.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/911_internet_phones
 
The DMS 100 and ATT 5ESS run on DC power. They use AC power and inverters to keep the batteries charged in the Central Office. So when AC power is lost from time to time, the traditional phone switch will not go down. The phone companies even have large generators to keep the batteries charges in case the AC stays down for a long time. They start up the generators once a month for PM. They even have a phone list of fuel suppliers to reload the tanks in long term AC outage. If your traditional phone is out, it will be because of some other problem (usually not power).

However, "Power over Ethernet" is available. Maybe at some point VoIP phones will be powered and backed up like traditional phones.

Fiyah is right, we have to be sure we have 911 access.
 
fan4swac said:
The DMS 100 and ATT 5ESS run on DC power. They use AC power and inverters to keep the batteries charged in the Central Office. So when AC power is lost from time to time, the traditional phone switch will not go down. The phone companies even have large generators to keep the batteries charges.

Yep. :nod:

I'm about to make the switch myself. I'm sick and tired of high arsed monopolozing CenturyTel telephone! They make me :retard:.
 
This is just sad......

FCC Backs Off on Internet Phone Deadline

NEW YORK - The Federal Communications Commission backed off again Tuesday on enforcing a deadline for Internet phone service providers to disconnect all customers who haven't acknowledged that they understand it may be hard to reach a live emergency dispatcher when dialing 911.

The agency explained that the status reports required from every Internet phone company last week showed that by "repeatedly prompting subscribers through a variety of means, the majority of providers .... have obtained acknowledgments from nearly all, if not all, of their subscribers."

The decision came a day before a deadline that would have required Internet phone companies to cut off at least 10,000 of the estimated 2.7 million users of the service in the United States.

The FCC said providers who have received confirmations from at least 90 percent of their subscribers will no longer face the disconnection requirement, but still must continue seeking the remaining acknowledgments.

All carriers below the 90 percent threshold will have until Oct. 31 to reach that level and avoid the disconnection requirement.

Vonage Holdings Corp., the biggest carrier with more than 1 million subscribers, told The Associated Press on Monday that 99 percent of its customer base have responded to the company's notices about 911 risks. But that still meant that about 10,000 accounts stood to be shut off as early as Wednesday.

The deadline, originally set for a month ago before a last-minute reprieve by FCC, was intended as an interim safeguard while Internet phone companies rush to comply with another FCC order that they add full 911 capabilities by late November.

The FCC issued the order in May after a series of highly publicized incidents in which Internet phone users were unable to connect with a live emergency dispatch operator when calling 911.

Critics had been increasingly vocal in questioning the wisdom of abruptly leaving users without any calling capability, particularly a type of phone service that came through in a pinch in the chaos after Hurricane Katrina.

Cut off from traditional and cellular phone service by the floods after the storm, a top aid to the mayor of New Orleans managed to re-establish communications with the outside world ? including President Bush ? using a broadband connection and an Internet phone account.

"To have a system where you risk cutting customers off in such a short time frame? It's unintended consequences," Sen. John Sununu (news, bio, voting record) of New Hampshire said in a speech last week at VON, a conference that revolves around Internet phone technology, which is also known as VoIP or Voice-over-Internet-Protocol.

"Cutting someone off from their voice service carries enormous risks," Sununu said.

Unlike the traditional telephone network, where phone numbers are associated with a specific location, VoIP users can place a call from virtually anywhere they have access to a high-speed Internet connection.

That "roaming" flexibility, while generally viewed as a benefit, can make it more complex to connect VoIP accounts to the computer systems that automatically route 911 calls to the nearest emergency dispatcher and instantly transmit the caller's location and phone number to the operator who answers the call.

Most VoIP providers have only been able to offer a watered-down version of 911 service that often directs emergency calls to a general administrative phone number at a local public safety office. In many cases, those lines are not staffed by emergency operators, and some may even play only a recording or go unanswered, particularly during non-peak hours.

Cable-based VoIP services have avoided the roaming issue by tying each phone number to a specific location and emergency dispatch center.

But VoIP providers who allow their customers to use their numbers in multiple locations face major challenges. They need to adopt a technology that will send their customers into a disparate national patchwork of 911 call-routing systems and databases. That means they must reach an interconnection agreement with each of the more than 1,000 local phone companies who maintain and operate those 911 systems.

While most Internet phone companies and industry observers haven't objected to the FCC's goal, many have criticized the agency for allowing only four months for such a young industry with limited financial resources to overcome the assorted hurdles with providing full 911.

"I'm not sure what the FCC was thinking when they made up their 120-day timeframe," Sununu said in his speech last week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_hi_te/internet_phones_e911
 
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