TnSt Football News: 2007


Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

mjaamu83 said:
I think Kent is in Af1 or Canada, he is still playing I think.I wish the Vipers could have signed him we were qb challenged this past season. Again Dahill, most of the of the predictions as well as smack is based on want, hope and desire and not historical data or scouting pratices.We have the only All American running back starting Saturday night and that is all that matters. Now dem JOJ Jags got talent!!!!!
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he played for the Alabama Steeldogs in AF2.... he was good friends with my 1st cousin who also plays for the Steeldogs. My cousin told me they cut him. Like you said we have the highest rated qb (coming out of high school)... and the highest rated running (coming out of high school) in the conference.... how many players in the SWAC have worn the this uniform?

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Max Martin... transfer running back from University of Michigan

yeah we lost Nic Luke... but you BETTER fear Max Martin.
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

DAHILL said:
Once again its not like SWAC teams are filled with All Americans who we have read about in sports publications the entire year... I just dont see how you can evaluate "talent" before the season starts...

Was Johnny Baldwin and Robert Mathis considered talented before they got to AAMU? Look where they are now. Didnt Robert "Superman" Kent, your "talented" quarterback get cut from the Alabama (Birmingham) Steeldogs this past year?
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The same way prognosticators look at talent before the season (one of the most common things in the world). You look at what you had last year and what was added in the offseason. Everyone knows that AAMU was not very talented last year. It does not appear that much upgrading was done either. Also, I read the papers and there are certain schools that simply get more talent on a consistent basis...like Grambling. Now whether that talent is coached well or not is a different story which is why I give the less talented AAMU squad the nod vs. TNState. Not that AAMU is that greatly coached but I think that one offense falls into the hands of the others' defense but if coached properly, that does not have to be the case. This has nothing to do with Baldwin, Kent, ect... and this is why I prefer to talk to you about basketball which seems to be your niche. When discussing talent in football, it has NOTHING to do with a WR or RB or two. It has to do with quality depth across the board. Every team has one or two stand out players. UAPB had NFL caliber corners but that did not help their team win. One or two good people don't equal talent so Baldwin, Kent, a single "great recruit" etc.. don't belong in this conversation. In my mind, AAMU can't have that when they really did not have a good first string last year whereas TNState's team seemed to be taking form as the season progressed. And the bottomline is AAMU is just not known for talent. PERIOD.
 



Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

Tigerpride said:
The same way prognosticators look at talent before the season (one of the most common things in the world). You look at what you had last year and what was added in the offseason. Everyone knows that AAMU was not very talented last year. It does not appear that much upgrading was done either.
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Not when only 5 players were added.
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

DAHILL said:
he played for the Alabama Steeldogs in AF2.... he was good friends with my 1st cousin who also plays for the Steeldogs. My cousin told me they cut him.
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Hadn't heard about them cutting him. I thought he was playing on a team (AF2) out in Texas when the CFL picked him up.
 
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AAMU Big Dawg said:
Hadn't heard about them cutting him. I thought he was playing on a team (AF2) out in Texas when the CFL picked him up.
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I think he was traded which could have been a lesser degree of "cutting" but it was not due to his not performing. In fact, after the trade, the CFL picked him up without even looking at film on him. They only saw a stat sheet and signed him. :banana:
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

DAHILL said:
Once again its not like SWAC teams are filled with All Americans who we have read about in sports publications the entire year... I just dont see how you can evaluate "talent" before the season starts...

Was Johnny Baldwin and Robert Mathis considered talented before they got to AAMU? Look where they are now. Didnt Robert "Superman" Kent, your "talented" quarterback get cut from the Alabama (Birmingham) Steeldogs this past year?
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I just find it funny how he thinks NO other team could add talent and or depth like JSU .....
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

Tigerpride said:
The same way prognosticators look at talent before the season (one of the most common things in the world). You look at what you had last year and what was added in the offseason. Everyone knows that AAMU was not very talented last year. It does not appear that much upgrading was done either. Also, I read the papers and there are certain schools that simply get more talent on a consistent basis...like Grambling. Now whether that talent is coached well or not is a different story which is why I give the less talented AAMU squad the nod vs. TNState. Not that AAMU is that greatly coached but I think that one offense falls into the hands of the others' defense but if coached properly, that does not have to be the case. This has nothing to do with Baldwin, Kent, ect... and this is why I prefer to talk to you about basketball which seems to be your niche. When discussing talent in football, it has NOTHING to do with a WR or RB or two. It has to do with quality depth across the board. Every team has one or two stand out players. UAPB had NFL caliber corners but that did not help their team win. One or two good people don't equal talent so Baldwin, Kent, a single "great recruit" etc.. don't belong in this conversation. In my mind, AAMU can't have that when they really did not have a good first string last year whereas TNState's team seemed to be taking form as the season progressed. And the bottomline is AAMU is just not known for talent. PERIOD.
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Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

SU Jag 79 said:
I just find it funny how he thinks NO other team could add talent and or depth like JSU .....
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So why is Pete and Anthony Jones Po mouthing. Pete has 11 offensive linemen so he's two deep. Play Ball and cross your fingers.

Jones is saying he has 20 new guys several who have no experience. The Same with Pete.

Their is no doubt that some teams always have signed good talent. AAMU has had good teams under JOnes but they didn't have Grambling talent, or SU talent. Maybe this year Jones will show us that he's not only has the most fundamentaly sound team but he also has talent to boot.

You guys act new.
In Football there are your traditonal powers who always have talent and it's a matter of coaching. Then their are your team that have marginal talent with superior coaching. Then you have no talent badly coached teams.


Examples:
Florida - Ron Zook. Top recruiting classes in the nation(even at Illinois) 7-4 or worse. Add Urban Myer- national title.

SU- good talent poor coaching. Add Pete and coaching that talent shines.Swac Titles

AAMU- marginal talent, fundementaly sound coaching team wins. A title

Valley-marginal talent poor coaching team wins but no championships.

JSU- Some of the best talent in the last 10 years has passed through. 2 first round picks, several other draft pics, running backs,QB, Receiver U. Won the NCAA offense title top offense in 1-aa. Good linebackers and DL. Bad coaching, marginal coaching. Three losing seasons.

My point is you know which teams always attract the talent. Coaching and preperation helps that talent flurish.

AAMU maybe times have change. We will see.
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

Tigerpride said:
The same way prognosticators look at talent before the season (one of the most common things in the world). You look at what you had last year and what was added in the offseason. Everyone knows that AAMU was not very talented last year. It does not appear that much upgrading was done either. Also, I read the papers and there are certain schools that simply get more talent on a consistent basis...like Grambling.
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Fast forward from the '80's bruh to 2007 please.
 
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Often the team with more talent doesn't win. Grambling had a lot of talent last year but they were not focused and well-coached. I expect Broadway to changed that this year. Alabama A&M hasn't had a ton of talent but they are well-coached and the Bulldogs make few mistakes.

As for Kent, people have to remember the kid didn't play quarterback long in high school and then he comes to Jackson State where his coaches were Hughes and Bell. And Bell had him handing the ball off the entire season. So Kent was VERY raw. Even when the Titans cut him they cut him because he was very raw, not because he didn't have talent. As he has gotten better coaching, he has improved. Now he is in the CFL.
 
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tp,could you please explain why jsu in your opinion will be better than last year? I think jsu will be 7-4 at best this year. You all open with two very difficult games and when you jump out the box this year 0-2 combined with the free fall(lost 4/5) from the end of last season jsu will have some severe morale problems and couple this with some injuries and you all will be lucky to 6-5 again.Also since you all at jsu appear to hold coaches to such a high standard(from reading your post), after back to back 6-5 seasons will Comegy be dismised?
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

mjaamu83 said:
tp,could you please explain why jsu in your opinion will be better than last year? I think jsu will be 7-4 at best this year. You all open with two very difficult games and when you jump out the box this year 0-2 combined with the free fall(lost 4/5) from the end of last season jsu will have some severe morale problems and couple this with some injuries and you all will be lucky to 6-5 again.Also since you all at jsu appear to hold coaches to such a high standard(from reading your post), after back to back 6-5 seasons will Comegy be dismised?
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Dude explain to us why we will lose to Delta State. You base this on a team who has a lifetime below 500 record in there conference. A team who got good in this decade and does not have the coach who made them good. He cut an ran after last season.

They are starting guys who prepped in 2a and Academies.

There coaches are Highschool and DII trained. There offensive Coordinator was out of the game for two years and he was last a high school coordinator.

They have no proven QB. Both Transfers who have not snapped in a real D-1aa setting ever.

They will be prepared I'm sure but a Juaggernat they are not.
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

mjaamu83 said:
tp,could you please explain why jsu in your opinion will be better than last year? I think jsu will be 7-4 at best this year. You all open with two very difficult games and when you jump out the box this year 0-2 combined with the free fall(lost 4/5) from the end of last season jsu will have some severe moral problems and couple this with some injuries and you all will be lucky to 6-5 again.Also since you all at jsu appear to hold coaches to such a high standard(from reading your post), after back to back 6-5 seasons will Comegy be dismised?
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That is easy. Follow me here.

1.) No longer in transition. Last year, we started 17 new players (really all 22 since the entire system was new but never mind that). This year we return 17 starters. We had all new coaches and schemes last year. Not the case for 2007. A lot of times, our players did not even know the plays and it showed.

2.) Experience. Talent with no experience means nothing. Last year, we started/played 3-4 freshmen along the o-line. That is not good for ANY football program.

3.) Greater team chemistry. We had half of our starters together only 3 weeks before the season started. This year, our spring was not used to evaluate who to cut and keep but rather to improve on things from 2006. Fall practice has been likewise.

4.) Improved philosophy. We did not lose games by a lack of talent. It was our coaching philosophy on defense. JSU fans tried to tell Comegy that man defense would not work in this conference. When he decided to listen, it was too late. Now we have incorporated more zone formations to defend on 3rd and long situations.

5.) Steadily improved talent. We knew our recruiting needs better this year because Comegy knew his players and his recruiting targets. We brought in transfers to fill immediate needs and High Schooler's for the future. We are a solid 2-deep (at least) in every position except the o-line. Our second string could go 6-5 easily.
 
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Shawaggi or tp,could you please explain why jsu in your opinion will be better than last year?
 



Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

Tigerpride,

If you wouldn't say so much bogus still, and be so over the top your word would be more respected.:) I'll give you credit for knowing more then the average fan about teams besides yours.

It was no secrete we were thin on Linebacker last season. Webster, a former LB himself, has loaded up at that position. Baker started last year before getting hurt late in the season.
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

mjaamu83 said:
Also since you all at jsu appear to hold coaches to such a high standard(from reading your post), after back to back 6-5 seasons will Comegy be dismised?
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If we go 6-5, Comegy won't be dismissed. It will be hard for him not to coach his entire 4 years but if he does go 6-5 or does not at least win the EAST championship, he will certainly be on the hot seat. We won't have to worry about that though.
 
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5.) Steadily improved talent. We knew our recruiting needs better this year because Comegy knew his players and his recruiting targets. We brought in transfers to fill immediate needs and High Schooler's for the future. We are a solid 2-deep (at least) in every position except the o-line. Our second string could go 6-5 easily.


Your second string would be just as lacking in experience as the first team last year. Also there have been new players inserted in your starting lineup who are transfers who still have limited playing experience(your secondary for example). Just to play devils advocate and not wishing this on jsu, what is game plan if you all open up 0-2?
 
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mjaamu83 said:
5.) Steadily improved talent. We knew our recruiting needs better this year because Comegy knew his players and his recruiting targets. We brought in transfers to fill immediate needs and High Schooler's for the future. We are a solid 2-deep (at least) in every position except the o-line. Our second string could go 6-5 easily.


Your second string would be just as lacking in experience as the first team last year. Also there have been new players inserted in your starting lineup who are transfers who still have limited playing experience(your secondary for example). Just to play devils advocate and not wishing this on jsu, what is game plan if you all open up 0-2?
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What is yours. Tnsu is no push over and you better be ready for them. We know you will win your second game is against CAU.

We have started 0-2 before and won the rest of our games. We have experience in the Secondary and a few new faces with talent they have to prove it on Saturday. One thing they have shown that they are better than last years group. Which had they known the system and had some zone packages they would have fared better.
 
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Dude explain to us why we will lose to Delta State. You base this on a team who has a lifetime below 500 record in there conference. A team who got good in this decade and does not have the coach who made them good. He cut an ran after last season


I have two reasons jsu could lose to delta state:1) their overall defense 2) your secondary and outside linebackers
 
Re: Four transfers make a quick impact on tnsu defense

mjaamu83 said:
Dude explain to us why we will lose to Delta State. You base this on a team who has a lifetime below 500 record in there conference. A team who got good in this decade and does not have the coach who made them good. He cut an ran after last season


I have two reasons jsu could lose to delta state:1) their overall defense 2) your secondary and outside linebackers
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Dude david is giving you what Comegy is telling him.(stop reading into what the beat writer says) We have Speaks, Jamison,Willie Williams at LB we are happy with that. We have Brooks playing a rush end not a down lineman. The secondary has only given up two TD's in three Scrimmages. Boy please get over there to AAMU practice and get those three projected starters eligible. And those 20 new players ready. Your coach is not confident and your defensive coordinator is still not pleased. There will be growing pains in normal.
 
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mjaamu83 said:
5.) Steadily improved talent. We knew our recruiting needs better this year because Comegy knew his players and his recruiting targets. We brought in transfers to fill immediate needs and High Schooler's for the future. We are a solid 2-deep (at least) in every position except the o-line. Our second string could go 6-5 easily.


Your second string would be just as lacking in experience as the first team last year. Also there have been new players inserted in your starting lineup who are transfers who still have limited playing experience(your secondary for example). Just to play devils advocate and not wishing this on jsu, what is game plan if you all open up 0-2?
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You can't play devil's advocate because even if we do have a new player or two starting, it's a vast difference from 17 new ones. :confused: NO team returns 22 starters...if so, it is VERY rare. Actually, there is really only one new starter in our secondary. The others are the same and they will benefit from the scheme changes.
 
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shawiggi said:
Dude david is giving you what Comegy is telling you. We have Speaks, Jamison,Willie Williams at LB we are happy with that. We have Brooks playing a rush end not a down lineman. The secondary has only given up two TD's in three Scrimmages. Boy please get over there to AAMU practice and get those three project starters eligible. And those 20 new players ready. Your coach is not confident and your defensive coordinator is still not pleased. There will be growing pains in normal.
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Saturday will tell. What 20 new players? You must have some info that I don't have, we only signed 5 and two were no shows. I guess jsu is the team to beat this year, but agian yall have been that the last 4 years. I will be checking the scores and wishing you all well Saturday night.
 
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mjaamu83 said:
Saturday will tell. What 20 new players? You must have some info that I don't have, we only signed 5 and two were no shows. I guess jsu is the team to beat this year, but agian yall have been that the last 4 years. I will be checking the scores and wishing you all well Saturday night.
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Checkit you have 20 players who either did not play last season but were on the team or are new to the team all together. All will see time Saturday per Jones. Check out the local Huntville Paper.
 
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shawiggi said:
Checkit you have 20 players who either did not play last season but were on the team or are new to the team all together. All will see time Saturday per Jones. Check out the local Huntville Paper.
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So Comegy tells the paper what he wants them to hear, and Jones doesn't? :read:
 
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