The University of Michigan football team is a complete mess

[Kendrick]

Nah, my point is that major programs often struggle when they have coaching changes. Which leaves an opportunity for other programs.

The thread can keep going.

This true.

But even when Bama, Burn and others were fiddling around with the likes of Mike Shula, Miss. St. didn't take advantage. Not once. If they couldn't win the West then, they damn sure ain't gonna win it in the foreseeable future now that a coach like Sumlin has Texas at his disposal to recruit.

 

[SUJagFan]

Like I said, the situation has to be right. Didn't have the coach to take advantage of the situation. I think Mullen could be that coach.

As far as Sumlin is concerned, what if he takes off for the NFL as it is rumored he wants to do? What then?

I agree that it will take the perfect storm for MSU, but it's not impossible. Unlikely, but not impossible.

 

[Bane]

Nah, my point is that major programs often struggle when they have coaching changes. Which leaves an opportunity for other programs.

The thread can keep going.

It really depends on the new coach. In the 80s,. Michigan went through three coaches in a 5 year span. Bo Schembechler retired, Gary Moeller came in and Michigan didn't miss a beat. They actually got better. Gary Moeller got fired because of drunk driving and Lloyd Carr took over and Michigan kept winning. Same thing with Ohio State when they had John Copper, then Jim Tressell, and now Meyer. They haven't missed a beat.

 

[Bane]

His brother might though. Everybody is focusing in on the wrong Harbaugh. Alot of folks close to them say John Harbaugh is also pissed at his organization (Ravens) for not listening to him on the Ray Rice situation. He apparently is also not fond of the current Ravens locker room.

Jim seems like the choice because he is a Michigan man. But he tore his drawers with his alma mater with some comments about the academics at the school a few years back. So it would be some fence mending needing to be done. I am sure the old Les Miles to Michigan cry will happen again and he pimps LSU into another raise and extension like he always does every other year. LOL.

Should be interesting to see what they do.

I think John will be a better coach as well. There is something about Jim that just isn't right man. I don't know what it is, but he just looks like an azz.

 

[Bane]

Miles has too much future talent to leave now. The freshman class he has now is going to be a beast in 2 years. Miles lost a lot to the draft two years straight. All Miles has to do is beef up his linemen, which shouldn't be that hard for LSU. The only thing miles has to worry about is keeping his players out of trouble.

Michigan has just as much if not more future talent. Hoke has had Top 10 recruiting classes since he been at Michigan. Michigan is a very young team right now.

 

[MikeBigg]

Man, yall tripping! Rodgriquez would recruit the same talent as at LSU now. Just more speed and a wide open running attack. Tulane made two mistakes in it's athletic history... leaving the SEC and not hiring Rich Rod when he wanted the job.

 

[Kenn Rashad]

I thought they messed up by not working with Rich Rod... That "He's not a Michigan man" foolishness cost them a good coach. He needed time to get the athletes he needed to run that spread and it would have worked had they supported rather than sit up and think they were still relevant. Too bad... I kinda used to like watching the Wolverines when I was growing up. Always pulled for them to beat Ohio State (don't know why)

I think if Les Miles leaves, Rich Rod would be a good choice for LSU. (Not that I really give a damn)

It was not going to work with them small arse players he was recruiting. He still has not won that much at Arizona. You got to have some hosses on defense and Rich Rod refuses to have stellar defenses. The other part was he was too in their face arrogant with the Michigan folks. Can't do that either if you ain't one of them. Urban Meyer is an arrogant cat. But he knows not to say crazy isht to Ohio State folks even though his first job was at Ohio State. LOL. Rich Rod ain't politically savvy. Even Nick Saban ain't crazy to ruffle the Bama folks up.

Anyway those Michigan folks are biggity and uppity type folks. They ain't too kind to be told how their school or team should be run.

I agree with MB on this one. Michigan simply needed to give Rich Rod more time. I too thought that "Michigan Man" crap was BS. Rich Rod had the talent coming up there at Michigan, they just needed time to gel. Simply look at what Hoke was able to do his first year with Rod's recruits and then look at how the team declined over the next 3 years. Meanwhile, Rich Rod is making things happen right now at Zona.

 

[Bane]

Man, yall tripping! Rodgriquez would recruit the same talent as at LSU now. Just more speed and a wide open running attack. Tulane made two mistakes in it's athletic history... leaving the SEC and not hiring Rich Rod when he wanted the job.

You can't be serious? RichRod never had a Top 10 recruiting class while he was at Michigan. All of the top talent in the state went to Michigan State and look at them now. They are light years ahead of Michigan.

 

[Bane]

I agree with MB on this one. Michigan simply needed to give Rich Rod more time. I too thought that "Michigan Man" crap was BS. Rich Rod had the talent coming up there at Michigan, they just needed time to gel. Simply look at what Hoke was able to do his first year with Rod's recruits and then look at how the team declined over the next 3 years. Meanwhile, Rich Rod is making things happen right now at Zona.

Who did he have coming in? I followed them pretty hard and didn't see this top talent coming. Michigan had one of the worst defenses in the history of Michigan football. Miss State beat the dog shat out of them his last game. Yeah, mighty Miss State.

 

[Olde Hornet]

The Shane Morris incident should be enough to get Hoke to be fired. That was horrible what he allowed.

 

[JAG89]

Michigan has just as much if not more future talent. Hoke has had Top 10 recruiting classes since he been at Michigan. Michigan is a very young team right now.

You do realize LSU has been in the Top 5 in recruiting for the pass few years and had the No. 2 recruiting class behind Alabama this pass year, which IMO was really the No. 1 recruiting class. This year freshman class comes with the trio of Fournette, Harris, and Dupre all in one class. All Miles needs to do is beef up its linemen.

 

[JR]

This is why I laugh when folks say Mississippi State can't win the SEC West.

When you look at how traditional powers like Michigan, Tennessee and Florida have struggled with coaching changes, it's easy to see that Alabama and LSU could also struggle when they have a coaching change. It's already happened at Bama. When Gene Stallings left, Bama struggled for a while before Nick Saban went there. Heck, Sylvester Croom even beat Saban in his first year at Bama. LSU struggled for years before Saban went there.

Change is going to come. Saban and Miles can't coach forever. Who is to say that MSU won't be in a position to take advantage of that situation when those changes happen?

It is going to be hard man. I know anything can happen. But comparing what happened at Michigan to what Ms State can do is different. Michigan is no longer getting kids from the South like they used to back in the day or from NE Ohio ie Cleveland (Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson etc.) That ain't going to happen to Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M and Auburn all at the same time that will make MS State the team to beat in the SEC West. Maybe one of those schools will fall off with a coaching change. What happened to Michigan is what happened to the entire Big Ten. The black kids who were not welcomed or recruited to those SEC schools now stay home. So it is going to be hard EVEN with coaching changes to see a complete fall off. If Sumlin left for the NFL. Then Texas A&M becomes one of the hottest jobs open. Even one that Mullen would desire. SEC school with more money and resources than 2 Ms States put together. And access to a more fertile football state of HS talent. He wouldn't even have to change colors.

Same for when Saban retires. The Bama job will be coveted. Some schools will not make that coaching mistake of a hire like you saw at Tn. Plus the state of Tn HS football is not great either. So it is already a hard job from the jump. They are paying for their over reaction of running Phillip Fulmer off which in turn kept them from getting Cutcliffe to come back after they treated his former boss so bad. Florida was just dumb in hiring Muschamp. Some of these schools just may dumb hires. Ms State will just always have a perception issue for players as well. It is in our state which is not a good perception over the other states. Plus one can't run all the Alabama trophies out to show a recruit. Starkville is just a hard sell. Same for Ole Miss. Now if there was one big school in Ms like it is in LA (LSU). That program would have a way better chance of making noise every year in the SEC. Ms is just too damn small to have 2 SEC schools in today's football landscape. If all the top MS players didn't have to choose between Mullen and Freeze and went to one school. Then it would be on. You would not need that many out of state kids to come in to supplement the program. That is why LSU is always going to be tough as long as they don't hire some arsehole to run players out of that state.

 

[JR]

I agree with MB on this one. Michigan simply needed to give Rich Rod more time. I too thought that "Michigan Man" crap was BS. Rich Rod had the talent coming up there at Michigan, they just needed time to gel. Simply look at what Hoke was able to do his first year with Rod's recruits and then look at how the team declined over the next 3 years. Meanwhile, Rich Rod is making things happen right now at Zona.

Rich Rod was not going to win with those little arse players. Brady Hoke won that one year with Rich Rod's players when Tressel was fired and the tattoo gate. LOL. Urban shows up and beats Michigan with the same Rich Rod players left over from Hoke's first year. Michigan State was already beating them down so it became a bad thing.

What is he making happen at Zona? He is winning enough to keep that basketball school fan base happy. Still is not enough to keep Michigan folks happy. Arizona goes to the Sun Bowl and folks are happy. Michigan goes to the Sun Bowl and you get fired.

Rich Rod always had WVA in a position to win but since he loved them little arse QBs. Pat White would be broke the fugg up by the end of the year when they needed a big win. See Denard Robinson. Plus WVA never had a stellar defense. Once that weather changes in the Big 10, you can't have them little arse players out there trying to win. Even Urban Meyer knows that. He said the same thing when he took over Ohio State. You still have to be able to mash the football and impose your will. Not that I am defending Michigan. But Rich Rod was not a good hire for that program and he did not have the political savvy to be a coach at program like that. He is where he belongs. At a program like Zona who finally started investing in Football but the basketball coach will have more PRESSURE to win than the football coach. LOL. Rich Rod wins about 8 games a year there and he is a legend. At Michigan, you get fired.

 

[SAME OLD G]

What is he making happen at Zona?

Really? You really want to ask that question after seeing what Mike Stoops (3 winning seasons in 8 years) did to that program before Rich Rod got there? Zona beat the dog shit out of Oregon last year - which by the way - those same two teams play tomorrow night in Eugene. But I don't think Zona is coming out of a winner tomorrow night.

 

[jag4life]

Rich Rod always had WVA in a position to win but since he loved them little arse QBs.

All his QBs set records when they ran/run his offense and won.

 

[SAME OLD G]

All his QBs set records when they ran/run his offense and won.

Hell, he had a RB in Ka'Deem Carey who broke rushing records as well.

 

[DAHILL]

This is why I laugh when folks say Mississippi State can't win the SEC West.

When you look at how traditional powers like Michigan, Tennessee and Florida have struggled with coaching changes, it's easy to see that Alabama and LSU could also struggle when they have a coaching change. It's already happened at Bama. When Gene Stallings left, Bama struggled for a while before Nick Saban went there. Heck, Sylvester Croom even beat Saban in his first year at Bama. LSU struggled for years before Saban went there.

Change is going to come. Saban and Miles can't coach forever. Who is to say that MSU won't be in a position to take advantage of that situation when those changes happen?

Bama losing had nothing to do with Stallings leaving... probation killed Alabama football.

 

[JR]

All his QBs set records when they ran/run his offense and won.

What did they win J4L? Michigan folks want Big Ten titles and shots at the National Title. Not 8-3 and 9-2 seasons. That works at Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa. The Penn States, Michigans and Ohio States want titles. At least conference titles on the regular. He won the Big East no doubt. But his records out of the conference was suspect and he blew the only chance he had at the National Title with running poor Pat White to death that he was not able to play against Pittsburgh. Hell Ohio State and LSU benefited from that loss that year. Missouri and WVA were on a collison course for the BCS title game and both lost their last games. Which pushed Ohio State and LSU up the rankings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Rodriguez

 

[JR]

Really? You really want to ask that question after seeing what Mike Stoops (3 winning seasons in 8 years) did to that program before Rich Rod got there? Zona beat the dog shit out of Oregon last year - which by the way - those same two teams play tomorrow night in Eugene. But I don't think Zona is coming out of a winner tomorrow night.

I will do the same thing for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Rodriguez


Tell me what he has won at Arizona. Now granted Arizona is happy as hell. Because Stoops did nothing. But also Arizona didn't put any money into Football either. Steve Kerr talked about that. Now they are.

Rich Rod current record at Arizona AINT acceptable at a program like Michigan, Bama, Ohio State, etc. You can't go 8-5 and go to the no name bowls and keep your job at those programs. Arizona is glad to be there. So he beat Oregon. That is a good thing. But he has not won a Pac 12 title or played for one.

Arizona is perfect for him. But you know he couldn't be 8-5 at USC for 2 years and finish 4th in the Pac 12 and not hear rumblings. Some jobs you got to win more than 8 games.

 

[jsupop33]

JR is right. Rich Fraud is not cut out for the big-time. Same thing Philly will learn about Chip Kelly soon.

 

[In_The_662]

JR is right. Rich Fraud is not cut out for the big-time. Same thing Philly will learn about Chip Kelly soon.

Yep. They are already chirping about them working them too hard. They're winning just like the 49ers are but they're still chirping.

Wait until the rest of the league does the same thing the 49ers did (Dallas is still a year or so away from having that type of defense. The Giants we know can be a great defense when they want to be). They are going to run him out of the league like they did Schiano in TB

 

[Devil's Gun Trigger Man]

Folks it's not the coaches. It's the environment and delusional fanbase. Top skill position kids ain't trying to go to no Michigan. To the fans dismay, Bo Schembechler ain't walking through that door again. Rich Rod and Hoke didn't just magically forget how to coach when they got there. They were set up to fail. Michigan is dysfunctional right now.

 

[JR]

JR is right. Rich Fraud is not cut out for the big-time. Same thing Philly will learn about Chip Kelly soon.

I think he is a good coach to build a NOTHING program into something good. But I don't think he is great enough coach to take a traditionally known program to the next step. Nothing wrong with that.

Plus Rich is outspoken and when you are at these high profile programs you have to play the game with some of their big time alums and boosters or in general piss the fan base off. Steve Spurrier is a master of kissing the babies/politics at the schools he coached. We all know he is outspoken. But he pisses off the other schools. Not the one he works for. LOL.

 

[Kendrick]

They are going to run him out of the league like they did Schiano in TB

He got run because the Bucs didn't win. Chip has already been to the postseason.

 

[JR]

Folks it's not the coaches. It's the environment and delusional fanbase. Top skill position kids ain't trying to go to no Michigan. To the fans dismay, Bo Schembechler ain't walking through that door again. Rich Rod and Hoke didn't just magically forget how to coach when they got there. They were set up to fail. Michigan is dysfunctional right now.

I agree that is part of it. That's why I thought Michigan folks needed one of their own to show them that. They are more delusional than any Big Ten fan base for sure. Uppity is what I call them.