The SIAC screws the Morehouse football team!!
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Shelt a 'Skegee Grad
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Antroy,
Please go back and re-read (with comprehension this time) my earlier post about the NCAA D2 playoffs. I will restate just in case you don't feel like it. THE NCAA D2 Playoffs selection process IS NOT the same as the D1AA selection Process. A team is chosen because of its ranking in the region, NOT because it is a conference champion. THERE ARE NO AUTOMATIC BIDS for conference champions!
Case in point: In 1998 FVSU was chosen to go to the NCAA playoffs when they were not Conference Champs (TU won the conference that year).
Case in Point #2: No CIAA champ has participated in the NCAA playoffs in 8 years.
Moral: Just because you're a conference champ doesn't mean you go to the playoffs. Just because you go to the playoffs doesn't mean you're a conference champ.
And Now to Media Guy,
More Facts for you (because you just don't seem to get it)
Wrong!!
FACT: In 1999 FVSU and TU had Identical 5-1 conference records. FVSU had the Tie breaker over Tuskegee and thus was declared the Sole SIAC Champion.
FACT: In 1990 TU and AAMU had identical records at the end of the season. AAMU had the tiebreaker, and won the SIAC championship.
In neither case did TU share in the SIAC championship.
FACT: The NCAA does NOT dictate how its member conferences decide to break ties or name conference champions. Stop implying that the SIAC is breaking NCAA rules and should be investigated. That is slanderous.
You may now get a life and stop whining like a Punk about 'Skegee
Please go back and re-read (with comprehension this time) my earlier post about the NCAA D2 playoffs. I will restate just in case you don't feel like it. THE NCAA D2 Playoffs selection process IS NOT the same as the D1AA selection Process. A team is chosen because of its ranking in the region, NOT because it is a conference champion. THERE ARE NO AUTOMATIC BIDS for conference champions!
Case in point: In 1998 FVSU was chosen to go to the NCAA playoffs when they were not Conference Champs (TU won the conference that year).
Case in Point #2: No CIAA champ has participated in the NCAA playoffs in 8 years.
Moral: Just because you're a conference champ doesn't mean you go to the playoffs. Just because you go to the playoffs doesn't mean you're a conference champ.
And Now to Media Guy,
More Facts for you (because you just don't seem to get it)
Wrong!!
FACT: In 1999 FVSU and TU had Identical 5-1 conference records. FVSU had the Tie breaker over Tuskegee and thus was declared the Sole SIAC Champion.
FACT: In 1990 TU and AAMU had identical records at the end of the season. AAMU had the tiebreaker, and won the SIAC championship.
In neither case did TU share in the SIAC championship.
FACT: The NCAA does NOT dictate how its member conferences decide to break ties or name conference champions. Stop implying that the SIAC is breaking NCAA rules and should be investigated. That is slanderous.
You may now get a life and stop whining like a Punk about 'Skegee
Hey Shelt,
There you go with your selective reading skills again. Let me break this down from another angle and I am thru with this injustice.
Fact 1: Fort Valley participated in the playoffs and their season ended before Tuskegee played Alabama State.
Fact 2: A team cannot participate in the NCAA Playoffs and play in a postseason bowl game per NCAA bylaws(refering to your slanderous comment)
Fact 3: Fort Valley, Tuskegee, and Morehouse finished with the same conference record.
The ONLY reason you guys are going to the Pioneer Bowl is because of the way the tiebreaker procedures were written. They failed to account for a team participating in the NCAA Playoffs. If they did, Morehouse would be going instead of your team.
Bottom Line: I hope you enjoy another paper trophy.
There you go with your selective reading skills again. Let me break this down from another angle and I am thru with this injustice.
Fact 1: Fort Valley participated in the playoffs and their season ended before Tuskegee played Alabama State.
Fact 2: A team cannot participate in the NCAA Playoffs and play in a postseason bowl game per NCAA bylaws(refering to your slanderous comment)
Fact 3: Fort Valley, Tuskegee, and Morehouse finished with the same conference record.
The ONLY reason you guys are going to the Pioneer Bowl is because of the way the tiebreaker procedures were written. They failed to account for a team participating in the NCAA Playoffs. If they did, Morehouse would be going instead of your team.
Bottom Line: I hope you enjoy another paper trophy.
PsiSnake
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Article from AJC 11-28-01
Morehouse's bowl berth rescinded
By EARNEST REESE
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer
Morehouse College's unofficial berth in the fifth annual Pioneer Bowl in the Georgia Dome was officially yanked Tuesday.
The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Council of Presidents upheld the decision of SIAC commissioner Robert Vowels to extend the invitation to Tuskegee University instead, based on a re-interpretation of the conference's tiebreaker rules. The game, featuring CIAA representative Virginia Union, will be played Dec. 22.
"It's a travesty; it's disheartening," Morehouse athletics director Andre Pattillo said. "The enthusiasm that's been built around this program, and no rewards? I'm deeply hurt and deeply disappointed because, not only are we not going to the Pioneer Bowl, but we don't get to share the conference championship. It's like all we've accomplished is for nothing."
Two weeks ago, Vowels told Morehouse that it would represent the SIAC in the bowl game. It seemed logical, based on SIAC tiebreaker rules.
The Maroon Tigers, along with Tuskegee and Fort Valley State, finished the season with identical 6-1 records in conference play. Fort Valley State was selected as a participant in the NCAA Division II playoffs, so the choice of a Pioneer Bowl representative was between Morehouse and Tuskegee.
Morehouse (8-2) defeated Tuskegee (10-1), which played in the bowl last year, 14-6 during the regular season. Since the second factor in the SIAC tiebreaker formula was head-to-head competition, that seemed to satisfy the Maroon Tigers' bowl requirements, and they received an unofficial invitation from Vowels.
But before an official invitation was extended, Tuskegee lodged a protest. The Golden Tigers insisted that they be declared SIAC champions and the bowl representative based on the fact that they had the best overall record in a so-called "traditional season."
Vowels agreed. That prompted Morehouse president Walter Massey to file a protest, and that was acted on Tuesday by the league's Council of Presidents.
"It's not right because we have the same conference record and we beat Tuskegee head-to-head," Morehouse coach A.J. Jones said. "They've been declared conference champions because of their record in a traditional season. This was no traditional season because of what happened Sept. 11. We had a game canceled that we couldn't make up. And who knows, had we played that game [against Elizabeth City], it might've been different the next week [a loss to Benedict.]
"Our players are upset, I'm upset. I just don't think it's fair."
Vowels has been unavailable for comment throughout the process, including Tuesday.
Morehouse's bowl berth rescinded
By EARNEST REESE
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer
Morehouse College's unofficial berth in the fifth annual Pioneer Bowl in the Georgia Dome was officially yanked Tuesday.
The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Council of Presidents upheld the decision of SIAC commissioner Robert Vowels to extend the invitation to Tuskegee University instead, based on a re-interpretation of the conference's tiebreaker rules. The game, featuring CIAA representative Virginia Union, will be played Dec. 22.
"It's a travesty; it's disheartening," Morehouse athletics director Andre Pattillo said. "The enthusiasm that's been built around this program, and no rewards? I'm deeply hurt and deeply disappointed because, not only are we not going to the Pioneer Bowl, but we don't get to share the conference championship. It's like all we've accomplished is for nothing."
Two weeks ago, Vowels told Morehouse that it would represent the SIAC in the bowl game. It seemed logical, based on SIAC tiebreaker rules.
The Maroon Tigers, along with Tuskegee and Fort Valley State, finished the season with identical 6-1 records in conference play. Fort Valley State was selected as a participant in the NCAA Division II playoffs, so the choice of a Pioneer Bowl representative was between Morehouse and Tuskegee.
Morehouse (8-2) defeated Tuskegee (10-1), which played in the bowl last year, 14-6 during the regular season. Since the second factor in the SIAC tiebreaker formula was head-to-head competition, that seemed to satisfy the Maroon Tigers' bowl requirements, and they received an unofficial invitation from Vowels.
But before an official invitation was extended, Tuskegee lodged a protest. The Golden Tigers insisted that they be declared SIAC champions and the bowl representative based on the fact that they had the best overall record in a so-called "traditional season."
Vowels agreed. That prompted Morehouse president Walter Massey to file a protest, and that was acted on Tuesday by the league's Council of Presidents.
"It's not right because we have the same conference record and we beat Tuskegee head-to-head," Morehouse coach A.J. Jones said. "They've been declared conference champions because of their record in a traditional season. This was no traditional season because of what happened Sept. 11. We had a game canceled that we couldn't make up. And who knows, had we played that game [against Elizabeth City], it might've been different the next week [a loss to Benedict.]
"Our players are upset, I'm upset. I just don't think it's fair."
Vowels has been unavailable for comment throughout the process, including Tuesday.
Ntelekt
Mr. Telephone Man (1975)
And with all that BS that your dumb azz just spouted...those teams are NOT in the SIAC and Morehouse STILL isn't going to the Pioneer Bowl!
Rules are rules, you clown! You don't have to LIKE them, but they are written there...in black and white. Did you write them a letter yet, or are you just boycotting the taking of any pictures of the Skegee football team?
Let it go, man!!! :emlaugh:
Antroy
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Shelt, you still are not getting the point.
<b>If the NCAA selected Fort Valley to go to the NCAA playoffs, then the SIAC should make them an SIAC co-champion!!</b>
Now, Morehouse was declared champion but Tuskegee started <b>whining, crying, and complaining</b> about their overall record was better than Morehouse!! They had their own rule about who should go!!
What do they teach you all at Tuskegee? How to cheat yourselves into a championshiop!!
If I was Morehouse, I would get some tickets to the pioneer bowl and give them to the football team, students, and alumni. I would stage a protest before the game started or at halftime. That would probably be the largest attended Pioneer Bowl ever!!
Better yet, Morehouse should <b>leave the SIAC!!!</b> They could do bad by themselves!! They don't need somebody screwing them like that.
<b>Morehouse was screwed! Morehouse was screwed!! Morehouse was screwed!!!</b>
<b>If the NCAA selected Fort Valley to go to the NCAA playoffs, then the SIAC should make them an SIAC co-champion!!</b>
Now, Morehouse was declared champion but Tuskegee started <b>whining, crying, and complaining</b> about their overall record was better than Morehouse!! They had their own rule about who should go!!
What do they teach you all at Tuskegee? How to cheat yourselves into a championshiop!!
If I was Morehouse, I would get some tickets to the pioneer bowl and give them to the football team, students, and alumni. I would stage a protest before the game started or at halftime. That would probably be the largest attended Pioneer Bowl ever!!
Better yet, Morehouse should <b>leave the SIAC!!!</b> They could do bad by themselves!! They don't need somebody screwing them like that.
<b>Morehouse was screwed! Morehouse was screwed!! Morehouse was screwed!!!</b>
Morehouse
It was a 3 way tie between (Morehouse, TU, Fort Valley). But Fort Valley choose to go to the D-II Playoffs. So that leaves a 2 way tie between Morehouse and TU. Morehouse beat TU in Columbus, GA. So a 2 way tie breaker goes to Morehouse for Head-to-Head competation.
SIAC choose to go with overall records and TU has the better overall records.
:flamethro TU in the Pioneer Bowl!!!!!!!!!!:uzi:
It was a 3 way tie between (Morehouse, TU, Fort Valley). But Fort Valley choose to go to the D-II Playoffs. So that leaves a 2 way tie between Morehouse and TU. Morehouse beat TU in Columbus, GA. So a 2 way tie breaker goes to Morehouse for Head-to-Head competation.
SIAC choose to go with overall records and TU has the better overall records.
:flamethro TU in the Pioneer Bowl!!!!!!!!!!:uzi: