The SIAC screws the Morehouse football team!!


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The SIAC will pick Tuskegee to play Virginia Union in the Pioneer Bowl. There was a three way tie for the conference title(Morehouse, Fort Valley, and Tuskegee). Fort Valley chose to play in the NCAA playoffs. That leaves Tuskegee and Morehouse. Morehouse beat Tuskegee 14-3 in a head to head matchup. Common logic would dictate that head to head would be the first tiebreaker. SIAC chose Tuskegee based on better overall record.

Hey SIAC,

What is the meaning of conference games. In 99% of leagues head to head is the FIRST tiebreaker. Morehouse beat Tuskegee on the FRIGGIN field.

Morehouse needs to leave this joke of a conference.
 
Dude............that sucks!!!! Head to Head is what matters in the event of a tie. I LOVE THE SWAC. We settle all that tiebreaker crap based of head to head competition. Gotta Luv it. ;)
 



This shouldn't be anything new...

You are correct... they got stuck the peter on this go-around!

However, if this has been the Conference's policy for sometime now, then they are not the only one i'm sure. Someone will have to raise the issue, and bark loud enuff to make some changes.

And it will not be the winners of the tie breaker (in any year).
 
One might think that head-to-head matchups would mean something. Anyway, I wonder how long this has been in effect.
 
Pioneer Bowl-December 22-Georgia Dome- 1:30 p.m. EST

Please do not be mislead by Media Guy. This is not a head-to-head tie-breaker between two teams. It was a three-way tie (Tuskegee, Morehouse and Fort Valley State). Please read the three-team tie breaker on the SIAC web site (www.thesiac.com). Media Guy wants it to be a tie-breaker between TU and Morehouse. He is dead wrong!!!!

Tuskegee (10-1) vs. Virginia Union (8-2) in Pioneer Bowl V at the Georgia Dome, December 22, 2001 at 1:30 p.m. EST (General admission - $15)
 
Media Guy is not telling you guys the whole story. He would have you believe that the SIAC used the Tie Breaker process to determine the Pioneer Bowl Representative after declaring 3 co champions. In truth the Tie breaker process was used to determine One Champion from 3 teams (TU, Mourehouse, and FVSU) who had identical 6-1 conference records at the end of the season.

The first criteria in the tie breaker was head to head. This could not break the tie because each of the three beat one and loss to the other of the two

TU - Beat FVSU loss to MC
MC - Beat TU loss to FVSU
FVSU - Beat MC loss to TU

The next criteria was overall record. Using this Criteria TU was declared the Champion because it has the best overall record at 10-1 (compared to 8-2 for FVSU, and 7-2 for MC).

Since by default the Conference champ goes to the Pioneer Bowl (unless it is in the playoffs), TU will be going.

Media Guy,

If you're going to post information on the board, post all of the information not some of it. Stop Misleading people. And most of all, STOP WHINING LIKE A BABY.
 
OK, I understand what Shelt is saying. (I should have waited before posting. :o) Could it be that since there are three co-champs of the SIAC, the tie-breaker was used to see who would go where? For instance if Tuskegee finished their season before Thanksgiving, they would have had the better seeding than Fort Valley in the playoffs. (This is provided that Fort Valley would have still been able to make the playoffs.) Or should one say that Tuskegee would have been the first choice of the NCAA into the playoffs over Fort Valley. In a three way case, I can understand taking Tuskegee over Morehouse. (Why wasn't Morehouse selected in the playoffs?) At least that is the way I see it.
 
Mighty Hornet,

Yes TU has been Declared the Sole Champion of the SIAC.

EB,

Again the Tie Breaker was not used to determine who will go where. The D2 playoffs are not like the D1AA playoffs. There are no Conference Champion automatic Bids. The 4 regions are ranked by the NCAA are ranked and the top 4 in each region go to the playoffs, conference champ or not. The tie breaker had nothing to do with going to the playoffs. FVSU went to the playoffs because at the end of the season they were ranked 5th in the South Region, they got to go at number 5, because TU was ranked 2nd in South region, but is ineligable for the playoffs due to the TDC. For the south region, teams ranked 1, 3, 4, and 5 went to the playoffs. The SIAC tie breaker was used to determine the Conference Champion.

If TU finished its season before Thanksgiving, TU would have gone to the playoffs because of its number 2 ranking. FVSU would have missed the playoffs due to its number 5 ranking. Morehouse was not ranked in the top 10 of the south region.

None of this has anything to do with the SIAC tiebreaker process. NCAA playoff selection is totally outside of conference championships.
 
Mighty Hornet,

You have to excuse TU fan. They are very myopic. Have you heard of a sole champ being crowned in any conference when there was a tie? TU fan keeps bringing up Fort Valley. Fort Valley chose to play in the NCAA Playoffs so they could not be selected for the Pioneer Bowl. That leaves Morehouse and Tuskegee. Morehouse beat Tuskegee 14-3. That looks like scoreboard to me.


Morehouse just got screwed.
 
EB,

You are using correct logic in your statement. TU keeps claiming the three way tiebreaker was used in choosing them. How could they use that tiebreaker when Fort Valley played in the playoffs? Fort Valley is not a factor in determining who should get the Pioneer Bowl berth between Morehouse and TU.

Tuskegee would rather play for the almighty dollar than get their butt kicked in the NCAA Playoffs. They are a bunch of friggin cowards. These TU fans don't understand math and logic. They refuse to listen to the friggin facts. Let me list them in order of importance.

1. Morehouse 14 Tuskegee 3 (Morehouse wins a head to head with Tuskegee.

2. Morehouse, Tuskegee, and Fort Valley finish in a three way tie for the conference title. (all three are co-champs)

3. Fort Valley was picked to play in the NCAA Playoffs.

4. Fort Valley accepted an invitation to play in the NCAA Playoffs.

5. That leaves the SIAC to pick between Morehouse and Tuskegee for the Pioneer Bowl berth.

6. Tuskegee was chosen on overall record(that means the conference games meant nothing)
 
Originally posted by Media Guy
Have you heard of a sole champ being crowned in any conference when there was a tie?
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Yeah the MEAC does it that way... the MEAC does not have co-champions.

Anyway Morehouse knew the rules (or should have known) before the season started. They should have complained then. At least the SIAC has some rules. the SWAC doesnt have any three way tie rules and if JSU and the 2 ASUs had all ended up with 2 losses we would have had to make something up to get a champ.
 
J-State Tiger,

That is really sad. I thought the conference games really meant something. TU fan keeps bringing this three team tie argument. They still fail to realize that Fort Valley went to the playoffs. It's not like there were three teams fighting for a Pioneer Bowl spot. Only Morehouse and Tuskegee were eligible for the Pioneer Bowl. TU was picked even though Morehouse beat them 14-3.

BCS computer, Please send help!!!!!!!
 



Honestly, I can understand why Morehouse feels screwed. 3 teams tied with the same conference record. One team (Ft. Valley) selected to playoffs. Leaving 2 teams (TU, MC) eligible for the Pioneer Bowl. Same conference record,

Call me crazy, but it seems logical that scoreboard would come into play at that point.

But if the SIAC had these rules in place........

btw, It seems to me that overall record would be way down the list of tiebreakers in case of 3-way tie. There should be more considerations given to what happened in conference games (margin of victory, points scored, common opponents) since these games would be common to all 3.

Carry on...
 
I understand the three way tiebreaker system but Fort Valley chose to play in a NCAA playoff game. For the Pioneer Bowl Rep. common logic would dictate that the two team tiebreaker should be used(between Morehouse and Tuskegee). The NCAA supersedes the conference.


Look at the SIAC web site. Nothing but Tuskegee pictures. Why the other schools are not represented? This smells of a friggin sham. thesiac.com
 
You guys have to excuse Media Guy who refuses to recognize the following Facts:

1. FACT: The SIAC champion goes to the Pioneer Bowl unless they play in the NCAA playoffs

2. FACT: Three teams tied for first place in the SIAC.

3. FACT: The SIAC DID NOT declare the three teams co champions of the SIAC

4. FACT: The SIAC used the tie breaker process to determine ONE champion out of the three.

5. FACT: The SIAC DID NOT use the tie breaker process to determine who goes to the PIONEER BOWL

6. FACT: FVSU going to the playoffs has NO Bearing on who is the Sole SIAC Champion

7. Repeated FACT (just to make sure it sinks into his skull): The SIAC sends its CHAMPION to the Pioneer Bowl unless selected for the playoffs

8. FACT: TU won the tiebreaker process and thus the SIAC championship.

9. FACT: TU is the SOLE SIAC champion

10. FACTT: TU is not eligible to be selected for the Playoffs

11. FACT: TU (the Sole SIAC champion) goes to the Pioneer Bowl (see Fact #1 and #7)

Pretty clear to me.

Instead of whining about it, you can state that you disagree with the SIAC's tie breaker process. Even I disagree with it. I believe other measures should be used (like average margin of victory in SIAC games) before using overall record to break the tie.

The fact is that is the rule in place RIGHT NOW. It ma ychange in the future, but now this is how it is.
 
Re: Very Enlightening Shelt, TUSports.

Originally posted by Bartram
Thankyou for the information.:)
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Ditto, I should have waited before posting and understood the tie-breaker process. Plus, I forgot that four teams per region go to the playoffs in D-II
 
Hey Shelt,

Congrats to you and your other TU cronies. You have the SIAC that thinks that they are better than the NCAA. You forget that Tuskegee is a member of the NCAA and the SIAC is a member conference of the NCAA. The NCAA needs to investigate this nonsense immediately. Whoever wrote the tiebreaker procedures must have been drunk. How can there be a sole champion when three teams tied for the championship? I guess the SIAC was too cheap to send out multiple champions. Enjoy your asterick Pioneer Bowl berth you friggin cowards.

Oh yeah, Where is your Black College Championship trophy? I will answer for you: You don't have one.

I bet a TU person wrote those tiebreaker procedures. I hope Morehouse can get that nonsense changed so this mess won't happen again.

I hope Morehouse buys championship rings anyway. You don't need a piece of paper robbing you of a championship.

The SIAC will always be the stepchild of the CIAA, SWAC and MEAC. This is friggin shameful.

1990 Georgia Tech National Championship team, Please send help.
 
Slow down, Angry man!

Man...if I didn't know any better, I would swear that Media guy went to Morehouse instead of Dekalb Tech. :confused:

Dude, Shelt broke it down to you....EVERYTHING that the SIAC page says.

There WAS a three-way tie. Just because Fort Valley decided to go to the playoffs, that does not eliminate them from the equation.
According to the RULES, Tuskegee is crowned the SIAC Champion...POINT BLANK!

Let it go, man...:emlaugh:
 
Hey you Agriculture and Mechanical dope, Oh yeah it is also a STATE school, but that is a topic for another day!!

Let me run you a friggin history lesson. Oklahoma, Florida State, and Miami was vying to play in the title game last year. Based on last year's criteria and guidelines Miami was shut out of the title game. Everybody outside of Tallahassee saw that Miami got screwed(they beat Florida State on the field). The BCS tweaked the system so something like that would not happen again.

This year, Morehouse is getting screwed because some dope did not account for NCAA playoff berths. Commissioner Vowels is from the Big Ten Conference. When two or more teams tie for the championship, they are crowned co-champs. The tiebreaker is only used for POSTSEASON BERTHS NOT TO DETERMINE A SOLE CHAMPION.

You dopes are too used to small time football. Feel free to watch how a PWC does things. Commisioner Vowels knows and should rectify the situation for next season.
 
Morehouse was screwed worse than a two dollar (garden tool)!!!

If Fort Valley State chose to go to the playoffs, apparently they should be a co-champion. They are in the playoffs!!

Now common sense says that if you have three teams eligible for a Pioneer Bowl bid and one volunteers to go somewhere else that leaves two teams fighting for a bid to the Pioneer Bowl.
Common sense usually dictates that if the teams have the same record, you look at which team came out on top when they played each other. Which in this case, <b>Morehouse won!!</b> They should be in the Pioneer Bowl!

And having said that, Morehouse should be a co-champion along with Fort Valley State!!

Does the SIAC need to get a computer to help them figure out one of the <b>easiest</b> decisions in that conference's history? I'm not sure they are a conference with decisions like this!!
 
Going bowling with the Golden Tigers!!!

The Council of Presidents of the SIAC unanimously upheld the decision of Commissioner Robert C. Vowels concerning the Pioneer Bowl and the SIAC Championship. SIAC champion Tuskegee (10-1) vs. CIAA champion Virginia Union (8-2) at the Georgia Dome on Saturday, December 22, 2001 at 1:30 p.m. EST.
 
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