The Passion of the Christ
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What's your definition of anti-semitism?
I'm not speaking of common Christians.
I'm talking about Christians who preach/teach sound doctrine know about 'LOVE' for everyone......Jews, Gentiles,. etc....
It was all of us that crucified him. Not just Jews and Romans.
Oh, he did die....but nobody killed him. He GAVE his life....:tup:
Originally posted by ShyLadyTiger
What's your definition of anti-semitism?
I'm not speaking of common Christians.
I'm talking about Christians who preach/teach sound doctrine know about 'LOVE' for everyone......Jews, Gentiles,. etc....
It was all of us that crucified him. Not just Jews and Romans.
Oh, he did die....but nobody killed him. He GAVE his life....:tup:
You better preach sister :nod2:
ABE
Running and Gunning
I believe it was written how Christ died. Are they disputing the gospel or do they not appreciate the intricate details that Gibson put into the movie? There is no way to gloss over torture. Crucifixition is torture. It is not meant to kill you right away. They want you to linger there for days, weeks, or months. The Romans lined the highways with heads of Jews and Christians. It was a somber symbol of their reign of power.
I wasn't interested at first in seeing the film, but I have heard alot of good things about the movie. I am not fond that it was not done in English, but I understand the concept. I will just have to wear my glasses to read all the subtitles.
I watched the news. I saw grown men and women crying. People stopped upon exiting the theater to hold hands and pray. This movie has had an impact already.
I wasn't interested at first in seeing the film, but I have heard alot of good things about the movie. I am not fond that it was not done in English, but I understand the concept. I will just have to wear my glasses to read all the subtitles.
I watched the news. I saw grown men and women crying. People stopped upon exiting the theater to hold hands and pray. This movie has had an impact already.
BulldogM.Ed.23
Bulldog Fan/Supporter
Just saw the movie, and yes the movie shows in graphic detail the suffering that Christ went through. I really haven't paid too much attention to the media/controversy about the movie. I like to dwell on the positive. The movie helped me remember how Jesus took all of the world's sins on the cross with him. I am reminded how he paid the penalty for our sins and purchased a place in heaven for us. Those that believe and trust in him shall have eternal life............,
Blacknbengal
Well-Known Member
Here's some comments from Paul Harvey
Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
Paul Harvey's words: I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions. I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened.
From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced. In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth. One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold, I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.
At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be 'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued, "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus." I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations.
This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior, then we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth. We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion." Please copy this and send it on to all your friends to let them know about this film so that all go see it when it comes out.
P.S. Gibson stated he did not appear in his own movie, by his choice, with one exception: It is Gibson's hands seen nailing Jesus to the cross. Gibson said he wanted to do that because it was indeed his own hands that nailed Jesus to the cross (along with all of ours.)
Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
Paul Harvey's words: I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions. I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened.
From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced. In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth. One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold, I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.
At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be 'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued, "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus." I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations.
This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior, then we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth. We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion." Please copy this and send it on to all your friends to let them know about this film so that all go see it when it comes out.
P.S. Gibson stated he did not appear in his own movie, by his choice, with one exception: It is Gibson's hands seen nailing Jesus to the cross. Gibson said he wanted to do that because it was indeed his own hands that nailed Jesus to the cross (along with all of ours.)
LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
Not a movie for children under 14 or 15 yrs. old...
The movie is not anti-Semitic. How in the world can anyone see this movie and conclude that it reflects a bit of anti-Semitism? Who killed The Christ, it was the sins of the people past, present and future. The crucifixion was foretold back in Genesis 4:15 and intensified in the writings of Isaiah 53.
I was watching TV and they interviewed a man he said ?now that I have seen the movie. I am truly converted.? Now, I have a problem with that, a movie can not convert an individual. Therefore, while the movie is good, I hope it does not leave individuals with a false since of salvation.
I was watching TV and they interviewed a man he said ?now that I have seen the movie. I am truly converted.? Now, I have a problem with that, a movie can not convert an individual. Therefore, while the movie is good, I hope it does not leave individuals with a false since of salvation.
I'm thinking more and more about seeing this movie. I'm not looking to it to educate me, but to view the "Hollywoodishness" of it. We've read the Word for ourselves that Christ TRULY suffered.
So the movie won't make it more impactful for me.
Christ did die. He laid down His life for us.
Christ did rise from the dead with all power in His hands. Hallelujah
Hassan, only Enoch and Elijah never tasted death
So the movie won't make it more impactful for me.
Christ did die. He laid down His life for us.
Christ did rise from the dead with all power in His hands. Hallelujah
Hassan, only Enoch and Elijah never tasted death
CEE DOG
You folks are just telling a bald face lie about their research. Instead, of going to see the movie, all an individual has to do is be converted to Christ.
What can the movie show that the Bible has not already told us? I believe people are on an emotional high about the movie because of the blood and beating. Those two items are not important, it is the resurrection that we base our faith on and his pattern of live that we try to imitate.
Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
You folks are just telling a bald face lie about their research. Instead, of going to see the movie, all an individual has to do is be converted to Christ.
What can the movie show that the Bible has not already told us? I believe people are on an emotional high about the movie because of the blood and beating. Those two items are not important, it is the resurrection that we base our faith on and his pattern of live that we try to imitate.
Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Blacknbengal
Well-Known Member
LOL@ some of you all's posts.
Man, I dont care what lead people to Christ. A movie, a song, a sermon, watching rain fall, looking a bee in a flower, etc........
AS LONG AS PEOPLE GIVE THEIR "ENTIRE" LIVES TO HIM.
Some of you all are acting and talking like those Jews who's protesting the movie. "WE DIDNT KILL CHRIST!!!!! WE WANT BARABBAS!!!!!!"
:shame:
This is just "another" tool used to explain the death and resurrection of my Savior. I mean, sometimes people read TOO MUCH into something. Like I said on another board. We can go to the movies and see a movie about nothing all day long.
Let me leave this and you all can decipher what way you want.
"16. Do not be excessively righteous, and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself?
17. Do not be excessively wicked, and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time?
18. It is good that you grasp one thing, and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them."
Ecclesiastes 7: 16-18.
Man, I dont care what lead people to Christ. A movie, a song, a sermon, watching rain fall, looking a bee in a flower, etc........
AS LONG AS PEOPLE GIVE THEIR "ENTIRE" LIVES TO HIM.
Some of you all are acting and talking like those Jews who's protesting the movie. "WE DIDNT KILL CHRIST!!!!! WE WANT BARABBAS!!!!!!"
:shame:
This is just "another" tool used to explain the death and resurrection of my Savior. I mean, sometimes people read TOO MUCH into something. Like I said on another board. We can go to the movies and see a movie about nothing all day long.
Let me leave this and you all can decipher what way you want.
"16. Do not be excessively righteous, and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself?
17. Do not be excessively wicked, and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time?
18. It is good that you grasp one thing, and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears God comes forth with both of them."
Ecclesiastes 7: 16-18.
LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
That may be true, but African descent or not, you believe (i think) that Christ died for our sins and seeing what he went through was the most vital part. Whether we are looking at a man of a darker skin tone or one bright as the sun holds no substance after you see the long, drawn out torture that our Savior went through to help us understand the power of love.
CEE DOG
Well-Known Member
Baby girl I understand what you are saying but I don't have to see a movie to tell me this. I am a saved man so a movie can't justify what I already know. Hollywood scripted this movie. They put it in Latin not in Hebrew so they lost me when they did that. The bible says beware of false prophets in the last days I am just keeping my eyes open.
Words from Paul Harvey
Paul Harvey the Rest of the Story
Years ago a hardworking man took his family from New York State to
Australia to take advantage of a work opportunity there.
Part of this man's family was handsome young son who had aspirations of
joining the circus as a trapeze artist or an actor. This young fellow,
biding his time until a circus job or even one as a stagehand came
along, worked at the local shipyards which bordered on the worse section
of town.
Walking home from work one evening this young man was attacked by five
thugs who wanted to rob him. Instead of just giving up his money the
young fellow resisted. However they bested him easily and proceeded to
beat him to a pulp
They mashed his face with their boots, and kicked and beat his body
brutally with clubs, leaving him for dead. When the police happened to
find him lying in the road they assumed he was dead and called for the
Morgue Wagon.
On the way to the morgue a policeman heard him gasp for air, and they
immediately took him to the emergency unit at the hospital. When he was
placed on a gurney a nurse remarked to her horror, that his young man no
longer had a face. Each eye socket was smashed, his skull, legs, and
arms fractured, his nose literally hanging from his face, all is teeth
were gone, and his jaw was almost completely torn from his skull.
Although his life was spared he spent over a year in the hospital. When
he finally left, his body may have healed but his face was disgusting to
look at. He was no longer the handsome youth that everyone admired. When
the young man started to look for work again he was turned down by
everyone just on account of the way he looked. One potential employer
suggested to him that he join the freak show at the circus as The Man
Who Had No Face. And he did this for a while. He was still rejected by
everyone and no one wanted to be seen in his company. He had thoughts
of suicide. This went on for five years.
One day he passed a church and sought some solace there. Entering the
church he encountered a priest who had saw him sobbing while kneeling in
a pew. The priest took pity on him and took him to the rectory where
they talked at
length.
The priest was impressed with him to such a degree that he said that he
would do everything possible for him that could be done to restore his
dignity and life, if the young man would promise to be the best Catholic
he could be, and trust in God's mercy to free him from his torturous
life. The young man went to Mass and communion every day, and after
thanking God for saving his life, asked God to only give him peace of
mind and the grace to be the best man he could ever be in His eyes. The
priest, through his personal contacts was able to secure the services of
the best plastic
surgeon in Australia. They would be no cost to the young man, as the
doctor was the priest's best friend. The doctor too was so impressed by
the young man, whose outlook now on life, even though he had experienced
the worst, was filled with good humor and love.
The surgery was a miraculous success. All the best dental work was also
done for him. The young man became everything he promised God he would
be. He was also blessed with a wonderful, beautiful wife, and many
children, and success in an industry which would have been the furthest
thing from his mind as a career if not for the goodness of God and the
love of the people who cared for him.
This he acknowledges publicly.
The young man was and is
Mel Gibson.
His life was the inspiration for his production of the movie "The Man
Without A Face." He is to be admired by all of us as a God fearing man,
a political conservative, and an example to all as a true man of
courage.
And to think I admired him before I knew any of this! He is quite a
man!
Paul Harvey.
Note: This may well help in the understanding of why Mel Gibson's love
for the Lord is why he has made such a powerful movie "The Passion" that
demonstrates Jesus' love and sacrifice for us
Paul Harvey the Rest of the Story
Years ago a hardworking man took his family from New York State to
Australia to take advantage of a work opportunity there.
Part of this man's family was handsome young son who had aspirations of
joining the circus as a trapeze artist or an actor. This young fellow,
biding his time until a circus job or even one as a stagehand came
along, worked at the local shipyards which bordered on the worse section
of town.
Walking home from work one evening this young man was attacked by five
thugs who wanted to rob him. Instead of just giving up his money the
young fellow resisted. However they bested him easily and proceeded to
beat him to a pulp
They mashed his face with their boots, and kicked and beat his body
brutally with clubs, leaving him for dead. When the police happened to
find him lying in the road they assumed he was dead and called for the
Morgue Wagon.
On the way to the morgue a policeman heard him gasp for air, and they
immediately took him to the emergency unit at the hospital. When he was
placed on a gurney a nurse remarked to her horror, that his young man no
longer had a face. Each eye socket was smashed, his skull, legs, and
arms fractured, his nose literally hanging from his face, all is teeth
were gone, and his jaw was almost completely torn from his skull.
Although his life was spared he spent over a year in the hospital. When
he finally left, his body may have healed but his face was disgusting to
look at. He was no longer the handsome youth that everyone admired. When
the young man started to look for work again he was turned down by
everyone just on account of the way he looked. One potential employer
suggested to him that he join the freak show at the circus as The Man
Who Had No Face. And he did this for a while. He was still rejected by
everyone and no one wanted to be seen in his company. He had thoughts
of suicide. This went on for five years.
One day he passed a church and sought some solace there. Entering the
church he encountered a priest who had saw him sobbing while kneeling in
a pew. The priest took pity on him and took him to the rectory where
they talked at
length.
The priest was impressed with him to such a degree that he said that he
would do everything possible for him that could be done to restore his
dignity and life, if the young man would promise to be the best Catholic
he could be, and trust in God's mercy to free him from his torturous
life. The young man went to Mass and communion every day, and after
thanking God for saving his life, asked God to only give him peace of
mind and the grace to be the best man he could ever be in His eyes. The
priest, through his personal contacts was able to secure the services of
the best plastic
surgeon in Australia. They would be no cost to the young man, as the
doctor was the priest's best friend. The doctor too was so impressed by
the young man, whose outlook now on life, even though he had experienced
the worst, was filled with good humor and love.
The surgery was a miraculous success. All the best dental work was also
done for him. The young man became everything he promised God he would
be. He was also blessed with a wonderful, beautiful wife, and many
children, and success in an industry which would have been the furthest
thing from his mind as a career if not for the goodness of God and the
love of the people who cared for him.
This he acknowledges publicly.
The young man was and is
Mel Gibson.
His life was the inspiration for his production of the movie "The Man
Without A Face." He is to be admired by all of us as a God fearing man,
a political conservative, and an example to all as a true man of
courage.
And to think I admired him before I knew any of this! He is quite a
man!
Paul Harvey.
Note: This may well help in the understanding of why Mel Gibson's love
for the Lord is why he has made such a powerful movie "The Passion" that
demonstrates Jesus' love and sacrifice for us
Blacknbengal
Well-Known Member
Re: Words from Paul Harvey
:nod:
I read this about 2 years ago.
:nod:
I read this about 2 years ago.
LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
Re: Words from Paul Harvey
OMG! I had no idea....! You learn something new everyday.
OMG! I had no idea....! You learn something new everyday.
LadyLuck13
Chocolate Rain
Let me ask you something...Do you honestly believe that one day, someone will actually make a movie accuratly to the story? Not likely. Now, putting all the Hollywood and the fact that the language was in Latin...What else keeps from seeing the movie? If it's personal, just say so, so I will stop trying to understand your excu...I mean, reasons
for not wanting to see the movie...And what does false prophets have to do with the movie? keep in mind: I'm not trying to start an argument...Just open for discussion. Hoping you're not getting offended by my questions