The HBCU Experience


Dr. Sweet NUPE

Dr. Sweet NUPE

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Being from an HBCU I often wonder if a black student really gets a quality black college experience if they attended a white school. I even notice that the greeks are different.
 



Re: good thread

Originally posted by hassan
Nupey, i like where you're going

but flesh it out some more

be more specific
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I mean it's hard to discribe....it's just different...the frats and sororities don't have their special spot...the NUPEs don't dress NUPE style are parties....Ques rarely wear boots and if they do....they didn't pledge at U of A.....
 
we were just talking about this after dinner tonight...

seeing Black students at PWC is always interesting because so many of them act in a distinctly condascending manner towards those of those that attend and graduate from HBCU's

many of them are so stuck on themselves that it is absolutely maddening

i understand the students who "had" to go to a white school (scholarship, near home, not really familiar with Black schools, et cetera) but in situations like UL-Monroe/Grambling, LSU/SU, Fla SU/FAMU, TxAMU/PVAMU, et cetera i just dont understand it
 
... and then there is the "BLack graduation"

we have discussed this on MEACFANS.com many times before and i'll say it again here:

if a student wanted a BLack graduation THAT bad, he/she should've gone to a Black college
 
Well from my personal experience, the boot wearing Ques at Alabama State are no different from the boot wearing Ques down the street at Auburn. I may have noticed a difference in the Nupes at Alabama. They would be G'ed up almost seven days a week. I had to chill out at Bama State.

But, I think I have noticed a difference in the women though particularly the soros at Alabama and Auburn from all the other schools. They seem to be more snootier.
 
i concur, but it seems that the greeks from white schools seem to miss that black greek experience because my cousin who is an aka from the univ of illinois and her boyfrd- who is the lamest sigma i have ever met, came down to jsu to visit me and though it was the middle of spring and it was hot as heezy, they felt the need to put on those hot azz jackets and parade around campus. they were amazed to see the greek trees and how the greeks just blended in with the other students.

from there we went to memphis and went to a greek party downtown, and they just stood and looked when people danced, but were the first in line to step. her boyfriend wanted to wear a muscle shirt with white pants..........oh heck no!!!

the last notion was that all they talked about were the greeks of univ of illinois. i then branded her and her beau as the lamest mofo's in college history.
 
Well living here in Arkansas and observing the different Black Greeks at stepshows here in Arkansas, DSN is right on point with his observation. It's a carry over mentality that some how "if I graduate from a PWC, my education is better than a HBCU education".

The sad part about this mentality is that it is not new. Some way or another we are steadily bombarded from all angles that "White is better". I don't want to stray to far from topic of the thread, but some of, not all, of the Black students that attend PWC's don't want to be labeled as ghetto.

I got into a discussion with a Black student that attends "The Hogpen" on the hill. She informed me that visited various HBCU campuses and she did not want to attend because that was the impression that she got from the schools. :confused:

DSN you are right, here in Arkansas you definitely can see the difference.
 
Originally posted by pbla
Well living here in Arkansas and observing the different Black Greeks at stepshows here in Arkansas, DSN is right on point with his observation. It's a carry over mentality that some how "if I graduate from a PWC, my education is better than a HBCU education".

The sad part about this mentality is that it is not new. Some way or another we are steadily bombarded from all angles that "White is better". I don't want to stray to far from topic of the thread, but some of, not all, of the Black students that attend PWC's don't want to be labeled as ghetto.

I got into a discussion with a Black student that attends "The Hogpen" on the hill. She informed me that visited various HBCU campuses and she did not want to attend because that was the impression that she got from the schools. :confused:

DSN you are right, here in Arkansas you definitely can see the difference.
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I will co-sign this for my experiences here in South Texas. But to expand the Greeks are different every no matter what schools they are from. The TSU greeks are different than the greeks at PVU. Dont ask me how but they are different.
 
Re: we were just talking about this after dinner tonight...

Originally posted by hassan

i understand the students who "had" to go to a white school (scholarship, near home, not really familiar with Black schools, et cetera) but in situations like UL-Monroe/Grambling, LSU/SU, Fla SU/FAMU, TxAMU/PVAMU, et cetera i just dont understand it
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Hmmmm...so you feel that a student who lives in a city (or close to a city) with an HBCU should attend an HBCU? Why?

I'm from Baton Rouge and I finished from UL-Monroe. I chose to attend UL-Monore becuase of the career I had planned to pursue (I later changed my major).

I was raised travelling to Grambling football games and in the shadow of SU (my parents are graduates of GSU). Grambling was the first college I knew and it was always promoted in our faimly. My brother (who is an acitve poster on this board) is an alum of GSU as well as his wife. I also have family members who are graduates of Tx Southern. My best friend is an alum of JSU.

Yeah, I've only attended PWCs (U of Houston-Clear Lake for my Master's and currently I'm at UGA pursuing a doctorate) and I had a different experience because I chose to attend a PWC. I pledged Delta at ULM and the sorors I've encountered in the grad chapter who pledged at HBCUs, well, I've not seen that much of a differnce in our mentalities. We are all about Delta business.

Personally, I promote attending college with the youth I encounter, whether it is a community college, an HBCU or a PWC. I think it is important for young people to pusue some form of education beyond high school.

--silentrage
 
The Greeks ARE different. Some of the Greek Families at Texas Southern and University of Houston are on shaky ground when it comes to relations with one another. For instance, one org may not like their own frat/sorors across Scott Street. But I think, Blacks that attend PWU's feel as if they have to turn their backs on certain aspects of Black culture while those of us from HBCU's sometimes or most times embrace these things. Or perhaps these things were never introduced to them. That type of thinking doesn't end when one is suddenly able to throw up a sign...


just my .20 cents
 
The sad thing is here at Arkansas they frown on you if you went to an HBCU but when you think about it, a large percentage of the students in grad school graduated from an HBCU and the ones who went to U of A undergrad can't even attend their alma mater for grad school because of their grades.
 
Ragey

knowing folks and being raised by folks that attended an HBCU is not the same as being there yourself

you can talk to combat vets all day and night about what it is like but you'll never know until you've been shot at yourself

you can talk to mothers all night and day about what it is like in labor but you'll never know until you've had a child yourself

i dont care how hard these white schools try to make themselves be "more inviting" to Black students - they'll NEVER be as good for Black students as a Black college will be

these white schools - especially the ones down south - are all johhnny-come-lately's when it comes to even ADMITTING Black students

for the most part, these schools are primarily interested in the federal dollars and other monetary incentives that come to schools that are more "diverse"

giving someone an education because they represent $$ does not equate to caring for that someone

caring about a student's academic, vocational, professional, social, emotional, and even spiritual development is all up in our schools' mission statements and it is the one common thread that binds all HBCU's

no white school will EVER care for a Black student as much as Black college

also, the statement about going to ULM "because of the career [you] planned to pursue" i find troublesome

that implies that there were no Black colleges that, in your view, were going to afford you an opportunity to study what you wanted to and, therefore, allow you to gain the tools you were going to need to attain professional success

i think that is better phrased as ...

"...Mister Charlie's ice is colder..."
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With all of the solid academic programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level available at our schools ...

well....
 



I don't know about these huge differences. Blacks I know that attended LSU, Tech or UL face many of the same challenges I face whether they are greek or non-greek. I know graduates of HBCU's that are just as much arseholes as some colored folk that attend PWC's.
 
Re: Ragey

Originally posted by hassan


also, the statement about going to ULM "because of the career [you] planned to pursue" i find troublesome

that implies that there were no Black colleges that, in your view, were going to afford you an opportunity to study what you wanted to and, therefore, allow you to gain the tools you were going to need to attain professional success

With all of the solid academic programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level available at our schools ...

well....
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Hassan, when your family income can only afford a state of LA education, you go where they offer the program you want to study. SU and Grambling don't offer the program the raged one wanted to study.
 
Re: Re: Ragey

Originally posted by cat daddy
Hassan, when your family income can only afford a state of LA education, you go where they offer the program you want to study. SU and Grambling don't offer the program the raged one wanted to study.
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How did we get to education....I just feel blacks who didn't graduate from HBCU's as an undergraduate missed a large part of the African American experience. I mean it's a lot of ***** they just cannot relate to even if they do travel to a school for partys, football, or just to hang out on the yard.
 
One parent here at work told me that she wanted her child to attend a PWC because she want child to learn how to deal with and work with White folks.

Funny thing about that, I wonder how many White parents send their children to HBCU's to learn work with Black people?

I agree that some Black people are into that mentality that they don't want to act like niqqers or ghetto. They do have that air that they have a better education than those that have attended HBCU's.

White people can spot an OREO just like Black people.

I was fortunate to work with a very honest White girl a few years back. Oreo's don't get much respect from White people either.

It's not because how they speak or they act. It's the reason that they want to "go out of their way to be with White people".

Silentrage,if the state legislatures require that HBCU'S have the same degree programs as PWC's then higher education would be equal.

PWC's have to meet their quotas of minorities also.

So in order for the PWC's to meet the quota's, they spend more money on the PWC's for those degree programs.

If state goverments spend money on offering the same degree programs at HBCU's as they do at PWC's, then Black students would not attend the PWC's and therefore the PWC's would not reach their quota of Black students.
 
Re: Ragey

Originally posted by hassan
knowing folks and being raised by folks that attended an HBCU is not the same as being there yourself

you can talk to combat vets all day and night about what it is like but you'll never know until you've been shot at yourself

you can talk to mothers all night and day about what it is like in labor but you'll never know until you've had a child yourself

i dont care how hard these white schools try to make themselves be "more inviting" to Black students - they'll NEVER be as good for Black students as a Black college will be

these white schools - especially the ones down south - are all johhnny-come-lately's when it comes to even ADMITTING Black students

for the most part, these schools are primarily interested in the federal dollars and other monetary incentives that come to schools that are more "diverse"

giving someone an education because they represent $$ does not equate to caring for that someone

caring about a student's academic, vocational, professional, social, emotional, and even spiritual development is all up in our schools' mission statements and it is the one common thread that binds all HBCU's

no white school will EVER care for a Black student as much as Black college

also, the statement about going to ULM "because of the career [you] planned to pursue" i find troublesome

that implies that there were no Black colleges that, in your view, were going to afford you an opportunity to study what you wanted to and, therefore, allow you to gain the tools you were going to need to attain professional success

i think that is better phrased as ...



With all of the solid academic programs at both the undergraduate and graduate level available at our schools ...

well....
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in a nutshell.....
 
Re: Ragey

Originally posted by hassan

also, the statement about going to ULM "because of the career [you] planned to pursue" i find troublesome

that implies that there were no Black colleges that, in your view, were going to afford you an opportunity to study what you wanted to and, therefore, allow you to gain the tools you were going to need to attain professional success
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Okay, I'll agree with some of your statements. One can't know the experience of a given situation until one has been a party to it.

However, I do stand by original statement about the reason I chose ULM. I was staying in LA to go to college. ULM had the program I wanted to pursue. There was not another public (public being the keyword here) college in the state that offered the program. Therefore, I chose ULM.

In my family it was a given that we were going to collge. Once you made your choice of schools, that is where you were going. I chose a major. ULM offered it. ULM is where I went to school. Plain and simple.

--silentrage
 
"...i'll protect your right to disagree with me with my life." - Voltaire

Ragey

i gotcha :)

thanx for your added input
 
If you do not live in an area where HBCUs are prevalent, its almost a given that they won't be at the the top of your list of choices of colleges to attend (except for Howard, Morehouse, or Spellman). Granted, I am from an area that has a large melting pot of HBCU alumnus which could be considered odd because they are hundreds of miles away. There are some blacks that attended PWCs that question your quality of education, but they are the minority. I even had frat from Northwestern who tell me that he was curious about the HBCU experience. But I doubt if he will discard the prestige of graduating from NU. What some people don't realize who are not from my area is the the culture shock that we deal with while away from the crib. In essence, you can't adjust, if you make that mistake, it takes months to catch up to everyone elses pace when we return home, by the time you become comfortable, its time to leave again. Repeat that viscious cycle for four years straight, its not a pretty picture. The only reason why I got cut some slack was I attended Walter Payton's alma mater. I have gotten props from white people from that alone. I can't be upset or pass judgement on someone because they did not want to drive eleven hours one way to attend college. The only oppurtunity they would have to go home during the semester would be for Thanksgiving (maybe), Christmas , and spring break. Outside of that, you were stuck in an empty dorm on an empty campus. The only complaint that blacks had who attended U of I, Northern Illinois, and Illinois State, was that you saw the same people at the parties. It was a given that there were race issues, but they knew to expect it. Its not like it was Ole Miss, USM, or MSU (which I can't understand why any black person in their right mind would want to attend undergrad. Thats another thread). Cut us northerners some slack, its not like HBCUs are located in our back yard. We also aren't going to discuss the out-of-state fee either.
 
Education wise HBCU's are at an advantage. Since it is an HBCU we are taught that we are the underdogs and we have to play the game of life with Corporate America. We are taught how to get what we want and the art of compromising.

Everything else...OMG!!!!! Too many black people can be )*(@#&$(*&&$($&@(*&$&$()@*_@*$*%&

On Campus:
-Kicking Doors in
-Loud Nose
- Loud Music all day even @ 3am
-Beer Bottles everywhere
-Trash all in the Hallways
-Stealing
- People gettin stabbed and shot @
- gettin tickets for any and everything
-cars gettin stolen
-car widows gettin busted
I can go on and on.

If I had it to do all over again i would have either Stayed @ McNeese or went to Southeastern.

Though i have my B.A. now i still think what i went through was uncalled for. Not to mention those Professors that are Arabs and Indians who can't speak English.
 
THE GRAMBLING EXPERIENCE

TO BE HONEST AS MUCH AS I LOVE MY FELLOW ALUMN OF GRAMBLING, I DON'T MISS ALL OF THE FOOLISHNESS THAT CAME ALONG WITH THE RETURN OF GREEKS IN 98'. I PERSONALLY FOUND THAT GRAMBLING GREEK FEMALES AND PROBABLY MALES TOO FELT THAT PLEDGING SEEMED TO PUT THEM IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE THAN THOSE THAT CHOOSE NOT TO PLEDGE. BASICALLY PLEDGING ENTERED THESE NEWFOUND GREEKS INTO THE MATRIX. WHAT DO I MEAN? LIKE TO HERE IT HERE IT GO! TAKE A FEMALE HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR, HOMECOMING QUEEN, MOST ATTRACTIVE, MOST LIKELY TO SUCCEED, ETC........

IF SHE GOES TO GRAMBLING AND CHOOSES THAT SHE'S JUST NOT INTERESTED IN PLEDGING DELTA OR AKA OR WHATEVER SHE WILL SUDDENLY BE JUST A NOBODY. HER STOCK WILL NEVER RISE TO THE CELEBRITY WHERE HER PERSONALITY AND GOOD LOOKS WOULD GENERALLY TAKE HER IF SHE WAS OUTSIDE OF THE 'MATRIX'. NOW SOMEBODY TELL ME DOES PLEDGING MAKE YOU MORE ATTRACTIVE OR ARE WE ON HBCU CAMPUSES ALLOWING GREEK ORGANIZATIONS TO DETERMINE WHO IS OR ISN'T SOMEBODY ON THE YARD.

PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!!! I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND.


NELL

C/O FALL 2000

NEW ORLEANS
 
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