The Greatest EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


During Jordan years, he was able to get the win even in years when he wasn't on the best team. I really think Portland had the overall talent to beat the Bulls but Rick Adelman was like a deer caught in headlights. I remember that fool would allow Drexler to pick up fouls trying to guard Jordan. Phil Jackson realized in the first game that Jordan was picking up fouls and having problems with Drexler so he moved Mike over to Porter and let Pippen guard Drexler. Even then, Clyde did his thing until the fouls sent him to the bench.

Not saying Drexler was as good as Jordan, but dude was victimized by having a dumbazz coach, jealous teammates, and a tendency to be "too nice" of a team player. I would have told Kersey and Duckworth to get the hell out the way and give me the rock. Clyde and Buck Williams played their azz off and the rest of them glory hounds choked.
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
enswaclopedia,
I'm glad you got ALL of that off your chest (JR send help) :D

You said soo much, where do I begin.
First, let me say that your opinion of Jordan not being the greatest is definitely in the minority among sports fans, players, commentators. And if his career is based on marketing, explain how marketing got him not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but SIX RINGS!!!!!!!!! And please, save that ole "he was protected" stuff by the refs. Thats one of the first things losers (or haters) start with------the refs. The guy was simply GREAT. He didn't play on great teams, he didn't have great teammates, but the results (individual and team) he got speak VOLUMES!!!!!! And let's see, the first title Jordan won, he won against the Lakers with Magic, Worthy, etc.
He (Jordan) twice beat the Jazz (who had 2 of the 50 all-time greats on their roster) in the finals.


Let's not even talk about the individual accomplishments. would be too time consuming. LOL


Some of the stuff you say, I do agree with. like the league being watered down with a too many teams. But, I don't hear anybody knocking the accomplishments of the 60 Celtics when they were winning the league without a real salary cap in place, or even though players were not nearly as physically big in the 70s as today, Wilt Chamberlain isn't looked at in a lesser light. Since there were only a few teams with real chances to win in the 80's (Lakers, Celtics, Sixers), do we diminish the accomplishments of those teams?



Don't make me take you to CJ Dunn to school you on the finer points of the game!!!!
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ROTFLMAO@MH. But bruh , Enswaclo does make some good points though. I will repeat for the last time, the NBA is not on the level it used to be. But let GR tell it the 80's cats would get drug by these non fundamental players these days. SMH.
 



I'll start out by saying that I am not nor have I ever been a Jordan
fan, but I am also a realist. In looking at his career as a whole, he
is in my opion the greatest basketball player my eyes have seen.

In looking at Kobe, I would say that at this point in his career he
is knocking very hard on the door to getting to the level Jordan
was at in his late 20's as far as skills and ability is concerned.

If Kobe continues to evolve as player both mentally and physically
he has the potential to surpass Jordan on all phases of the game.

Now I know some are going to say that Shaq is what makes Kobe
as good as he is, and Jordan as great as he was didn't have that
luxury. I would argue that Pippen, although he was not as dominant as Shaq, was voted as one of the greatest 50 NBA players of alltime and is a future Hall of Famer. That makes Pippen
a luxury also I believe.

The Lakers in the next 3-4 years will be Kobe's team, and I will
say that with the right personel, and that's key to him evolving
to surpass Jordan, will win the MVP's and lead teams to winning championships as Jordan did.

Kobe's career is just beginning therefore you can't compare it
to Jordan's complete career. Let's watch and let what's going
to happen take it's course, then we will see who is the best.

I personally believe Kobe will be the one until the next best
player comes along.:nod2:
 
Jordan not only plays, but makes Rockets pay

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Michael Jordan's right knee was so swollen, the trainer didn't think there was any way he could play.


Of course, Jordan played.


Not only that, he put the Washington Wizards on his back and carried them again, making five straight shots in overtime for 10 of his 35 points in Thursday night's 100-98 victory over the Houston Rockets.


"I don't know how many guys would have played with what Michael had tonight,'' coach Doug Collins said. "If you could have seen his leg yesterday and this morning. It was totally puffed up. (Trainer) Steve Stricker said he didn't think there was any way he could play, and he played 50 minutes.''


Jordan, who also grabbed 11 rebounds, missed practice Wednesday with fluid buildup on his surgically repaired knee after a collision with Reggie Miller in Tuesday's victory over Indiana. He wasn't a sure bet to play until he got through warmups without a problem, but his shooting touch was as true as ever as he started 7-for-9 from the field.


Wearing a full-length compression black stocking to control the swelling, Jordan said he felt "about 85 percent.'' He was 5-for-6 in overtime, his only miss coming in the final 10 seconds.


"In the fourth quarter, because of the way the game was going, I kind of overdid it because my leg got a little exhausted,'' said Jordan, who is averaging 30.6 points in four games since turning 40 years old. "Steve told me that when the swelling gets into that thigh area, the muscles stop firing, so I got a little tired.


"Somehow I just played it through and in the fourth quarter it was more or less just gut. And in the overtime, just gut it out. I made some big shots. If we had to go through another overtime, it would've been tough.''


Yao Ming got the rebound on Jordan's last shot, giving the R
"Jordan's 10 overtime points included a one-handed dunk after blowing past Hawkins


Game notes
Yao on Jordan: "Right now I hope that he hurries up and retires -- we would then be able to play more relaxed.
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Just in case anybody didn't know, but Mr. Jordan is doing all of this at the age of 40!!!!!!!!!!


Simply the best ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



btw, he shot 15-26 from the floor last night. That Jordan wannabee in LA <font size=1>(kobe)</font> was under 50% AGAIN!!!!!!
 
P.S. - With Jordan shooting 15-26 last night, he's now shooting
a whopping .442 for the season. I don't know what Kobe's FG% is. Research that for me. You don't have to post it. Just pm me.
 
Jordan gives Rockets last dose of wizardry
Overtime heroics cap 35-point performance

WASHINGTON -- The Rockets were living their childhood dreams. Fantasies were becoming real.

For all the times they had imagined themselves going against Michael Jordan, measuring themselves against him at his most jaw-dropping, they were there, living it, matching him and pushing him and themselves to more.

And Jordan still has more. After all the times he has been there -- "thousands of times," Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich said -- Jordan has not exhausted his ability to amaze. In the final game the Rockets expect to play against him, Jordan would not allow them to win.

Playing 50 minutes on a day when his right thigh was thought to be too badly bruised to allow him to suit up at all, Jordan scored 10 of his 35 points in overtime to carry the Wizards to a 100-98 win over the Rockets on Thursday.

"It was ridiculous," said Rockets forward Maurice Taylor, who found himself matched with Jordan in the overtime duel of his dreams. "He did what Michael Jordan does.

"You see games like this, and you wonder how the guy can keep going. He's just carrying the team. He's taking every shot; he's playing defense; he's taking the ball up. His drive is ridiculous. He was determined. He was to the point he didn't think anybody could stop him. And he kept going, kept pushing."

Jordan's shot to win the game at the regulation buzzer rimmed out. But with that, he seemed to find another level, tormenting Juaquin Hawkins with every variety of vintage move as if taping both parts of the Jordan vs. Jordan television commercial.

In overtime, Jordan scored on an up-and-under move, nailed a turnaround jumper, and caught Hawkins leaning to fly past him for a slam. Fighting for low-post position, Hawkins fell in the lane, allowing Jordan to hit another jumper. With the basket, Jordan had 35 points, 11 rebounds and six assists.

"I just felt once we got (in overtime), I didn't want to lose the effort we gave all game," Jordan said. "I kind of exerted myself a little bit, and ... I gave myself some energy, and I made some big shots. I was going against a young kid that really didn't know how to play, tried a couple of flops that I kind of expected but didn't fall for and the referees didn't fall for."

Hawkins said he did not intentionally fall but merely lost his balance in the low-post fight for position.

I tried to make it harder for him to catch the ball, not let him catch the ball near the basket. He comes across the lane, and he's so strong. He gets a lot of respect right now.

"The guy can go left; he can go right; he can pull up in your face; he can pump-fake. He can do it all. You have to try to make it a little more difficult to catch it in his comfort zone and make him think a little more. With that and a lot of luck, (you) hope he misses."
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simply the greatest EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


deal with it!
 
Well there goes MH's two MJ articles for Feb. :tup: Hopefully MJ will have two more good games in March as well.

BTW ------> With one game remaining, Kobe is about to become only the third player in league history to average 40 or more points for an entire calendar month. :nod:



Oh yeah, the first two guys played for you know which team, as well..... ;)
 
Give it a rest MH. Wilt will always rule the recordbooks, and he didn't have to make 5 comebacks to try to prove it. Don't even think about the women.
 
In overtime, Jordan scored on an up-and-under move, nailed a turnaround jumper, and caught Hawkins leaning to fly past him for a slam. Fighting for low-post position, Hawkins fell in the lane, allowing Jordan to hit another jumper.
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We really just need to count our blessings that we're around to see Mr. Jordan, the greatest ever!!!!!:bowdown: :bowdown:
 



look kid
stop messing up the greatest ever thread. That's a given. At the age of 40, Mr. Jordan has absolutely NOTHING left to prove.
You make yourself look smaller than small when you insist on posting meaningless stats.

sheesh!
:smh:
 
Originally posted by mighty hornet
At the age of 40, Mr. Jordan has absolutely NOTHING left to prove.
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What part of that did you not understand????????

btw, kobe (who aint proved a damn thing) shot 10-27 his last game out. Talk about that!
:xeye: :xeye:
 
:smh:

can your "logic" get any sadder???

btw, since Mark Madsen shot a much higher % than that 10-27 debacle by kobe, Madsen is a much better player.

:smh:
 
Man it just baffles me how stats don't mean a darn thing when your hero shoots under 50%, but Kobe should be banished from the league when he does it.


MH "logic" at it's finest.

Machiavelli send help!
 
Shooting down the double-standard on Kobe By Sam Smith Special to ESPN.com

I remember talking to Michael Jordan about all those shots he took when he joined the Chicago Bulls -- 33 against the Cavaliers in his rookie season. It seems Michael was out to embarrass them from the beginning.There were the 36 in 37 minutes against the then-Washington Bullets in his second season after returning from his broken foot. Two games later, he squeezed off 36 again to open the playoffs and then 41 shots in Game 2 when he scored a record 63 points as the Bulls were being swept by the Celtics. That's right: 95 shots in three games and not a single win.
Kobe Bryant ranks second in shots attempted behind Tracy McGrady. Now, Jordan was sure what he was doing. He opened his fourth season in the NBA taking at least 30 shots in each of his first three games. He hoisted up 43 shots against the Lakers less than a month later and was rolling. He had another 43-shot game and a couple of 39s before going to the playoffs and being swept again. So I wondered why was Jordan taking all these shots, and he explained: "Who do you want shooting? Me or Brad Sellers?"Jordan, of course, was celebrated. Who else should be taking the shots?

This was a wonderful thing. And then Jordan went on to win his first of five MVP awards in 1987-88 when he engaged in some wonderful duels. Attempting 38 shots in a memorable battle with Isiah Thomas. Shooting 37 times against Dominique Wilkins and then 35 times against Larry Bird about a week later. There was a 34-shot effort against Clyde Drexler and 45 shots in 44 minutes against Cleveland in the playoffs. Jordan even got up 23 shots in 29 minutes in that season's All-Star Game. This comes to mind with all the hand-wringing about Kobe Bryant. My gosh, he took 47 shots against Boston a few weeks back and 40 against Golden State while averaging about 24 shots per game for the season. How dare he. He must be selfish. He must not be a team player. What nonsense. People often ask me whether Bryant is as good or better than Jordan. And in taking responsibility for his team and taking the majority of the shots, he's just like Jordan. With a better jumper, actually. Lakers coach Phil Jackson likes to tweak Bryant about his shooting, but even Jackson had to admit, "To be honest, Michael probably had a more talented team at that time than Kobe does at this time. "As Kobe could say but won't, "What, you want Slava Medvedenko or Samaki Walker shooting?" Nor would you want Robert Horry or Rick Fox. I have great respect for the role players, like Horry and Fox, or Steve Kerr, Luc Longley, Scott Williams and Jud Buechler. But if Horry were with Denver, he'd never have hit a big shot in his life -- because he never would have had a chance to take one. I hope guys like Derek Fisher and Horry get lots of All-Star votes. They're the defending three-time champions and produced under pressure, which is the test of all-pro athletes. But let's not forget how they got the chance, because they're playing with O'Neal and Bryant. Just as Kerr and John Paxson and B.J. Armstrong were playing with Jordan and Scottie Pippen. However, the Bulls of the 1990s were far deeper than these Lakers teams. Sure, the Bulls, and no one since the 76ers with Wilt Chamberlain, wouldn't have had anyone to deal with O'Neal. But this Lakers team has 10 spare parts. At least the Bulls had All-Stars in Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman. After O'Neal and Bryant, there's no one on the Lakers who has even sniffed an All-Star team. Horry has scored in double figures in only three of his 10 seasons, Fox in four of his 11. And that bench? It could be the worst in the league.

So what's a guy to do? But jack it up. Bryant was splendid with O'Neal out. He has been playing with guys who don't draw a single-team. He has had to take over. Sure, the Lakers won just three games. But they've been in most of the 12 games without O'Neal, shockingly losing to the Wizards on a dunk at the buzzer and to the Celtics in overtime.

Yet, there's been this ridiculous notion that -- had Bryant got other players involved, had the Lakers run that triangle offense and stayed within the great system -- all would be solved. And liposuction would be banned in L.A. Bryant is just like Jordan -- he's as good, really. Maybe he doesn't play with Jordan's ferocity and attack the basket as Jordan did when he was younger. But Bryant is more skilled, a better shooter and just as determined a competitor. Ask yourself, if Jordan was playing with a low-post center instead of Dave Corzine, would Jordan ever have become Jordan? Bryant has to defer to the greatest force in the game, and he has still averaged more than 25 points per game the last two seasons. If he had the complementary talent Jordan did, even without Shaq, Bryant could dominate the game from the two-guard spot, which only Jordan ever has done. Which is why many consider him the game's greatest player. With O'Neal out, and with nowhere near the supporting talent Jordan had, Bryant had to take it upon himself to score. And shoot and shoot and shoot. His big mistake? He didn't shoot enough. Maybe the Lakers would have won some of those other games. Bryant is a great talent merely determined to win the game. Perhaps when he started out, he was screaming for attention. But he didn't have the NCAA title and Olympic gold like Jordan did. But he's 24 now and he has three championships. Jordan got his first when he was 28. By the time Bryant is done, he might well have more championships than any two-guard ever. Like Jordan 15 years ago, Bryant has been doing all he can to win games. Jordan was applauded for the effort, and Bryant should be as well.
 
That article is full of it.


Yeah, Jordan may have taken some shots, cause the Bulls didn't have any damn body when he came into the league. And he wasn't playing with the most dominant player in the league either . kobe is.

And maybe that writer should have checked the lakers record without Shaq in the lineup before he said that about kobe playing "splendid" without Shaq.

And maybe he wrote that article before kobe admitted that he was just shooting for the records, to the detriment of his team. Phil said the same thing.


That crap about looking at the number of titles won before a certain age is just that-----crap. Heck, Derek Fisher can't be much more than 28 years old, but he's won three titles too.
 
Don't hate the truth!

MH,

You need to check Jordan's record before Horace Grant, Scottie Pipen, and Bill Cartwright. Despite the record Kobe was great without Shaq.

It's a fact that Jordan had plenty of All-Stars on the championship teams.

Unless Derek Fishers stays with the lakers he won't get more the four.
 
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