The Da Vinci Code Facts or Fiction?


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The above image is alleged to be the offspring of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Several news organizations have shown this picture but will not keep the cameras on it to give the public clear close-ups. Is this black saint the child of Jesus?

Was the Vatican/Catholic church blackmailed in some form or fashion to suppress information? Did this lady continue the lineage of Jesus Christ? Was Mary Magdalene in fact at the last supper and the person that everyone has been identifying as St. John?

Facts or Fiction...........sound off.
 
I?ll make this quick as I can.

It all depends on if you believe in the Bible and all the Gospels it contains
Or if you buy into the so ?called ?Gnostic gospels?


The The Da Vinci Code claims that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, that they had children, and that their descendants included a line of kings in France, as well as some of the main characters in Brown's novel.
Despite Brown's claims, however, there are no historical documents that claim that Jesus was married - not even in the "Gnostic gospels" that Brown mentions in his novel.

The only specific evidence that Brown cites to support this claim of a marriage is a passage from one of the Gnostic texts - the so-called "gospel of Phillip." And that lone piece of evidence actually undermines Brown's claim.
The main problem with the "Phillip" passage is that it clearly shows that even in the context of this Gnostic text, Mary Magdalene and Jesus could not have been married.

One of the more ridiculous claims of Brown?s novel is that the early Christians ?literally? stole Jesus and shrouded his ?human message in an impenetrable cloak of divinity, and using it to expand their own power?. The novel claims that the gnostic Jesus is far more human than the divinized Jesus of the four canonical Gospels contained in the Christian Bible.

That sounds fine?unless you actually READ the so-called ?gnostic gospels? and compare them to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The Jesus of the gnostic writings is rarely recognizable as a Jewish carpenter, teacher, and prophet dwelling in first century Palestine; instead, he is often described as a phantom-like creature who lectures at length about the ?deficiency of aeons?, ?the mother?, ?the Arrogant One?, and ?the archons??all terms that only the gnostic elite would comprehend, hence their secretive, gnostic character.

In reality, the ?gnostic gospels? are not gospels at all in the sense of the four canonical gospels, which are filled with narrative, concrete details, historical figures, political activity, and details about social and religious life. On this point, as on many many others, Brown has it completely wrong.

And finally

If that feminine-looking figure on Christ?s right hand in Leonardo?s painting of the ?Last Supper? really is Mary Magdalene, as Dan Brown has it being in ?The Da Vinci Code?, rather than the disciple John, then where is he? Leonardo da Vinci is hardly likely to have forgotten to include him in the painting. You think?
 



JROCK said:
Interesting,

Thanks for your perception of it all.

Anyone else?.........Sound off
nonsense.
I watched some of the tv special, but decided it was not worthwhile. If Jesus were married, scripture would have mentioned it. Is there any mention in the bible?
His body would not be "taken" and leave a child here. This is the product of sick minds.
 
Jack Van Impe & Rexella Quacks or Scholars?

Below are excerpts from their ministry with revelations. Are these two individuals scholars are quacks? (Sound off...What do you think? )

Rexella: All right. Let?s take a look at the statements by some of the leading theologians of the Catholic Church. Some Poles worry will happen in the church without their pope. And of course, the conclave at the Catholic Church, where will the church go next? Well, a very popular television preacher in the ?50s and ?60s, Archbishop Fulton Sheen. And this is what he had to say. I tell you, he said it all. Take a look.

?The false prophet will have a religion without a cross. A religion without a world to come. A religion to destroy religions. There will be a counter-church. Christ?s church will be one and the false prophet will create the other.?

He goes on??The mystical body on earth today will have its Judas Iscariot and he will be the false prophet. Satan will recruit him, the false prophet, from among our bishops.?

How powerful! And you know, friends, this is something that Pope John Paul II was very concerned about. Because he believed this.

Jack: That?s why he chose all but three of the cardinals. All who were conservatives, because he knew what was coming, as we?ll see in a moment.

Now Father O?Connor taught that the final pope would defect. Father Bernard Leonard in The Case for Destiny, approved by the church with its Imprimatur, said, ?The final pope will fall away from our religion.?

And then of course the great theologian, Father Malachi Martin, who also instructed Pope John Paul II, was his personal friend, says in his book, The Keys of This Blood, page 684, that an elected pope, the final one will turn away from the church. And then all of these liberals?and this is what they are crying for in our day, especially in America, will weep their hearts out. They now have what they want, but it is a pope who has turned against them all.

Why do they all teach this? Because in 1143, archbishop McGrer of Ireland had a vision of the next 112 popes. Now remember, I am not teaching this. I am going by Catholic teaching. This is the tradition of the church, what they?re saying. He said 112 more popes, gave all their insignias. He has been right. Number 110 would be Pope John Paul II. Number 111 would be another conservative like Pope John Paul II and that would be Benedict XVI, former cardinal by the name of Ratzinger. An then number 112?remember they?re saying this?archibishop McGrer of Ireland as he predicted what would happen in the next 850 to 875 years, stating that final pope, number 112, which will be after Ratzinger, would be the defector. And they said his name?don?t hold me to this?would be Peter Romano. No one has ever taken the title, because of such respect for Pope Peter. And so this would be Pope Peter II of Rome.

Now I have said none of these things. I have allowed the Catholic authorities to say it. But what does it mean? They said this will be the pope during Armageddon. That?s how soon it all looks like it could happen. Jesus may come at any moment. Get ready. Look at me. Pray this:

Lord Jesus?Let?s calm our hearts. I want to be ready for Your return. There?s only one
 
Several ideas:

1.Brown's contention that the Mona Lisa is somehow an anagram for Isis and Osiris or some sort of male/female composite is non-sense. da Vinci didn't call the painting the Mona Lisa; that name was given to it much later.

2.Brown's work is a NOVEL-it is FICTION. Brown is good at taking some basic historical facts and adding much to them to produce a good, exciting story. But it is not, repeat not, to be taken as history.

3.John was probably the youngest of the apostles; he even causes no stir among the soldiers standing guard at the cross (the other, older apostles are in hiding for fear of their lives at that point) because he is so young. The depiction on the Last Supper is therefore da Vinci's idea of a young man and therefore somewhat less masculine as the other apostles.

4.The book tells more about the period of da Vinci accurately than it does about the time of Jesus. That is understandable; it is some 1500 years after Jesus.

5.THAT SAID, it is a fun book that is exciting, even if it is fiction.
 
Jack Van Impe: Comic Genius

-- With undisputed sitcom champion Seinfeld out of the picture, NBC's Emmy Award-winning Frasier is the leading contender for television's comedy crown, but dark horse challenger Jack Van Impe Presents, starring the show's namesake and his wife, Rexella, has emerged as a surprisingly strong foe.

The weekly half-hour satire is the brainchild of J.V.I. Ministries International. The independent production company is credited with pioneering the genre of "religious journalism infomercial comedy" and attracting a loyal cult following despite an irregular broadcast schedule and a lack of major network support.

Van Impe attributes his success to the show's unique deadpan approach to religious humour. "We don't have a studio audience or a tacky laugh track, so a lot of our viewers think it's a straight-up news program that analyzes and evaluates world events in the light of biblical prophecy," he laughs. "But most people get the joke."

On the show, Van Impe and his wife appear as co-anchors seated at a newsdesk in a spartan studio. Rexella begins by reading a pre-selected and edited news report, and when the camera cuts to Van Impe, he explains how the event is a sign of the coming end of the world, as predicted in the Bible. Then it's back to Rexella for a brief comment and another news report.

But they aren't merely content with the hilarious news reports and interpretation. The Van Impes are master performers who add the presentation and theatrics that really make the show a special treat.

Van Impe calls his on-screen persona "an evangelist action figure," complete with kabuki-thick facial make-up and a plastic hair-simulant prosthesis. The parody includes grandiose body language: sweeping hand and arm gestures, swaying head and torso, and perpetually bouncing eyebrows. His trademark staccato delivery style brings it all together.

"Perfecting the speech was the hardest part," he says. "I used to rehearse for hours to get it just right, but now it's natural.

Scary, huh?" The breakthrough came when he began to avoid using commas or periods and instead punctuated his lines with snippets of Bible. "It's a great source for satire. In or out of context, it's easy to prove pretty much anything."

On an upcoming episode, Van Impe plans to "reveal" that Furby, the artificially-intelligent furry toy that was an immensely popular gift this season, is actually the Beast foretold in the Book of Revelation.

"Chapter 13," he says, smoothly shifting to his on-screen voice. "Every Furby is unique: verse 4, Who is like unto the beast? The toys speak Furbish, an ungodly language: verse 5, And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies. Even good children succumb to his power: verse 7, And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them."

The script calls for Rexella to close the segment by moaning, "Ooh, my. Mmm, Jack. How exciting that Armageddon is so near."

Fans of the show say Rexella, with her porn star screen name and looks to match, is the perfect foil for Van Impe's bombastic machismo. Her voice often becomes a breathless whisper to dramatize her lines, and her barely masked arousal fills every "Ooh" and "Mmm" with genuine emotion.

In the middle of each episode, Rexella introduces the infomercial segment -- a fake product advertisement, usually for a prophecy movie with a title like Apocalypse I: Caught in the Eye of the Storm, Apocalypse II: Revelation and the new Furby: Apocalypse Now.

The side-splitting ad is always a highlight, but the entire show is a masterpiece of sophisticated satire. In time, it will undoubtedly grow beyond its cult fanbase and become a true hit. Jack Van Impe Presents is the funniest show on television.
 
Tony said:
Jack Van Impe: Comic Genius

-- With undisputed sitcom champion Seinfeld out of the picture, NBC's Emmy Award-winning Frasier is the leading contender for television's comedy crown, but dark horse challenger Jack Van Impe Presents, starring the show's namesake and his wife, Rexella, has emerged as a surprisingly strong foe.

The weekly half-hour satire is the brainchild of J.V.I. Ministries International. The independent production company is credited with pioneering the genre of "religious journalism infomercial comedy" and attracting a loyal cult following despite an irregular broadcast schedule and a lack of major network support.

Van Impe attributes his success to the show's unique deadpan approach to religious humour. "We don't have a studio audience or a tacky laugh track, so a lot of our viewers think it's a straight-up news program that analyzes and evaluates world events in the light of biblical prophecy," he laughs. "But most people get the joke."

On the show, Van Impe and his wife appear as co-anchors seated at a newsdesk in a spartan studio. Rexella begins by reading a pre-selected and edited news report, and when the camera cuts to Van Impe, he explains how the event is a sign of the coming end of the world, as predicted in the Bible. Then it's back to Rexella for a brief comment and another news report.

But they aren't merely content with the hilarious news reports and interpretation. The Van Impes are master performers who add the presentation and theatrics that really make the show a special treat.

Van Impe calls his on-screen persona "an evangelist action figure," complete with kabuki-thick facial make-up and a plastic hair-simulant prosthesis. The parody includes grandiose body language: sweeping hand and arm gestures, swaying head and torso, and perpetually bouncing eyebrows. His trademark staccato delivery style brings it all together.

"Perfecting the speech was the hardest part," he says. "I used to rehearse for hours to get it just right, but now it's natural.

Scary, huh?" The breakthrough came when he began to avoid using commas or periods and instead punctuated his lines with snippets of Bible. "It's a great source for satire. In or out of context, it's easy to prove pretty much anything."

On an upcoming episode, Van Impe plans to "reveal" that Furby, the artificially-intelligent furry toy that was an immensely popular gift this season, is actually the Beast foretold in the Book of Revelation.

"Chapter 13," he says, smoothly shifting to his on-screen voice. "Every Furby is unique: verse 4, Who is like unto the beast? The toys speak Furbish, an ungodly language: verse 5, And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies. Even good children succumb to his power: verse 7, And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them."

The script calls for Rexella to close the segment by moaning, "Ooh, my. Mmm, Jack. How exciting that Armageddon is so near."

Fans of the show say Rexella, with her porn star screen name and looks to match, is the perfect foil for Van Impe's bombastic machismo. Her voice often becomes a breathless whisper to dramatize her lines, and her barely masked arousal fills every "Ooh" and "Mmm" with genuine emotion.

In the middle of each episode, Rexella introduces the infomercial segment -- a fake product advertisement, usually for a prophecy movie with a title like Apocalypse I: Caught in the Eye of the Storm, Apocalypse II: Revelation and the new Furby: Apocalypse Now.

The side-splitting ad is always a highlight, but the entire show is a masterpiece of sophisticated satire. In time, it will undoubtedly grow beyond its cult fanbase and become a true hit. Jack Van Impe Presents is the funniest show on television.

Looks like a vote for "Quack." :lol:
 
Tony...can you post a link to that article. I thought this cat was real about that mess he spews. But I always did find it hilarious how he would turn just about anything into an end sign. At the same time that is a dengerous joke.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Tony...can you post a link to that article. I thought this cat was real about that mess he spews. But I always did find it hilarious how he would turn just about anything into an end sign. At the same time that is a dengerous joke.


These should help for starters there are hundreds.

http://www.catalaw.com/detox/reverse/14.shtml

http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/archives/van_impe.html

http://www.pfo.org/vanimpe.htm

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/Foundation/fbcvanim.htm


http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-32826.html
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Tony...can you post a link to that article. I thought this cat was real about that mess he spews. But I always did find it hilarious how he would turn just about anything into an end sign. At the same time that is a dengerous joke.

There are quite a few varying opinions about who some calls "The Walking Bible." The attached link shows some different views.

http://www.rateitall.com/i-29390-jack-van-impe.aspx
 



J Listen to me well,

Anyone that doesn?t provide you with Real tools to make it to Heaven
Is not worth your time!

Jack Van Impe is an amazing guy that memorized the Bible.
Remember Satan also memorized the Bible.
Van Impe hammers home the ?End Time? with little
Advice on how to be saved.

He makes some mistakes, as we all, but lately it?s obvious how
The politics of the Catholic Church effects his interpretation of the Bible.

Now again, say it with me, ?anyone that doesn?t provide you with Real tools to make it to Heaven
Is not worth your time.


Today people seem to focus heavily others things

i.e. Creflo?s prosperity or Van Impe?s ?End Time? or this Benny Hinn Quack

Bottom line You & I Need to make it to Heaven,
& we need that information.

Tupac gave more info on how to get to heaven,
Than some of today?s ?characters?
 
Tony said:
JNow again, say it with me, ?anyone that doesn?t provide you with Real tools to make it to Heaven
Is not worth your time.


:lmao:

i.e. Creflo?s prosperity or Van Impe?s ?End Time? or this Benny Hinn Quack

I always wondered if "Dollar" was his birth name. :lol: I know a nice young couple that gave him their w-2(s) and had their car repossesed by giving him their money. :( ............I see a vote for Hinn as quack. :lol:

Bottom line You & I Need to make it to Heaven,
& we need that information.

True

Tupac gave more info on how to get to heaven,
Than some of today?s ?characters? :lol:

Interesting perspectives......:tup:
 
JROCK said:
T.D. Jakes..........Successor to Billy Graham as America's minister?

J, brother you killing me, I'm with it, keep it rolling.

I don?t believe the Caucasians of America will follow Jakes in significant numbers.

Don?t forget the masses that follow
Jerry Farwell, Pat Robertson, etc.

Side note:
I wonder what life would be like if we all decided to lose
Our pride and just learn & love as if we could never be hurt.
 
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