Although I'm a Christian, I'm not comfortable with religion being used by candidates and their supporters to garner votes. Why? Normally religion is used to deceive the masses in the political game. Their actions rarely match up with their faith once those candidates get into a leadership position.
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Although I'm a Christian, I'm not comfortable with religion being used by candidates and their supporters to garner votes. Why? Normally religion is used to deceive the masses in the political game. Their actions rarely match up with their faith once those candidates get into a leadership position.
ROYAL BLUE
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Kendrick, I agree, and that's why God instructed us to use common sense to discern who's genuine and who's false. This is not hard. Are we trying to please God or the voters? If you're doing what's pleasing to God, then everything else will take care of itself. This is the reason why Herman Cain is leading opposing candidates. Cain is doing his best to please God and not man. If it's the will of God, at the end of the day Cain is going to garner more votes from Christians in masses. Watch and see.
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Is Herman Cain's Campaign Over Because of Money
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wahines
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Do you think they would let a real Christian get in the White house?
ROYAL BLUE
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Herman Cain 2012 Event! 1 of 3
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Herman Cain 2012 Event! 3 of 3
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No way. There are too many crooked lobbyists, special interest groups and Wall Street and banking cronies around to let that happen.
Oh, and I'm not too high on a cat who considers protesting against greed and corruption to be un-American.
ROYAL BLUE
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The View: Herman Cain Talks Politics Part 1 - The View
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ROYAL BLUE
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Honestly, I believe the scripture in my SIG. I believe that God sets up and remove world leaders. God controls the entire world and He has it in His hands. With that being said and to answer your question...YES! God can defeat the lobbyist and crooks to set up a real genuine Christian in the White House.
Deuteronomy 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you(politicians/judges), bring it unto me(God), and I(God) will hear it.
Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee(God) :
Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
J C
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LOL...Say no more Arthur "supply Side" Laffer. That explains Cain's 9 9 9 or 909 plan.
J C
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Of course, I do.
It's going to be interesting to watch you try to twist that into support for the Democratic party, but go ahead.
No twist needed. Read the platforms. One party is anti-government and one supports government...SS, Medicare, Medicaid, student loan, job bills, capital improvements etc. Cain and Laffer philosophy is to starve the government into submission. if you agree with their principles, so be it. I choose to remain brainwashed.
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SUJagFan
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I know.
And that's unfortunate. You're so close to the light, but will remain in darkness because that's what you choose. Quite sad.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe this old Chinese proverb is true - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"?
What is empowerment? What does that mean?
When we consider the role of government ... what is better for the people? To empower or to be a crutch?
Hmmmm.
Another interesting quote: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
The problem with people like you is that you assume that any handout or assistance from the government is "help". When, actually, the best help we can receive is the knowledge that we can provide for ourselves much better than the government ever can because the government by nature is inefficient at providing services.
ROYAL BLUE
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I know.
And that's unfortunate. You're so close to the light, but will remain in darkness because that's what you choose. Quite sad.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe this old Chinese proverb is true - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"?
What is empowerment? What does that mean?
When we consider the role of government ... what is better for the people? To empower or to be a crutch?
Hmmmm.
Another interesting quote: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
The problem with people like you is that you assume that any handout or assistance from the government is "help". When, actually, the best help we can receive is the knowledge that we can provide for ourselves much better than the government ever can because the government by nature is inefficient at providing services.
He doesn't understand that...but we might as well encourage kids not to earn excellent grades in school because other kids are not as intelligent or fortunate. It's not fair that smart kids earn excellent grades because they work hard by studying and preparing themselves while other kids go home, play video games, talk on the phone, eat up all the food and spend little to no time putting forth the effort to better themselves. It's not fair and those kids don't deserve poor grades in school which will eventually lead them to poverty. Some of us went to school with some of these clowns. Ya'll know who I'm talking bout. They didn't giva d@mn about putting forth the effort to better themselves, but now they think the government owe their azz something. What did they expect while playing games with their education? When will it become their fault?
Herman Cain's unlikely Republican Rise
Cain was a diligent young man, with a quietly defiant attitude toward Jim Crow and strong religious convictions from early on—his lifelong love of singing was born when he was a member of his church choir as a child. But he was cautious about flouting the strict dictates of segregated Southern life. He once snuck a drink from a “whites only” fountain, but mostly demonstrated his resistance to racism in academic achievement. In his just-released memoir, he remembers boarding buses as a teenager and being forced to ride in the back—but he was no Rosa Parks. “We saw [sit-ins and the Freedom Rides] every day on TV and read about it in the news,” he writes, but “Dad always said, ‘Stay out of trouble,’ and we did.”
Graduating as salutatorian, Cain applied to schools around Atlanta so he could commute to class. Rejected by Georgia Tech, which took few black students at the time, he opted for Morehouse, the prestigious historically black college, where he received a scholarship and decided to study math. Once again, he found himself at a disadvantage: “Everyone was a salutatorian!” Failing to keep a B average, Cain lost his scholarship, so he worked part-time jobs, in everything from construction to Coca-Cola research and development, to pay his tuition bills. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/10/16/herman-cain-s-unlikely-republican-rise.html
ROYAL BLUE
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From LSU's Tiger Droopings.com-Herman Cain Went to Morehouse College
The tightrope that has to be walked by Black politcians who seek national or statewide office is to be Black enough for Black folks, but not too Black for White folks. Obama almost got knocked off that tightrope when the Reverend Wright tapes came out, because Wright was "too Black", as Tracy Morgan humorously put it. That's why he was forced to make his speech on race when he did.
I don't know much about Herman Cain, but I just read that he graduated from Morehouse, which gives him all kinds of street-cred in the Black community. FYI, Morehouse is arguably the Blackest college in America, though some might argue that Howard (Reverend Wright's college) is Blacker. Especially notable is the fact that he graduated in 1967, which means that he was there at the height of its militancy. The problem is that this might make him too Black for White folks, especially the ones who vote in Republican primaries. Has Cain been properly vetted to make sure that he's not too Black for national electoral politics? http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/25984986/Herman-Cain-Went-to-Morehouse-College.aspx
The tightrope that has to be walked by Black politcians who seek national or statewide office is to be Black enough for Black folks, but not too Black for White folks. Obama almost got knocked off that tightrope when the Reverend Wright tapes came out, because Wright was "too Black", as Tracy Morgan humorously put it. That's why he was forced to make his speech on race when he did.
I don't know much about Herman Cain, but I just read that he graduated from Morehouse, which gives him all kinds of street-cred in the Black community. FYI, Morehouse is arguably the Blackest college in America, though some might argue that Howard (Reverend Wright's college) is Blacker. Especially notable is the fact that he graduated in 1967, which means that he was there at the height of its militancy. The problem is that this might make him too Black for White folks, especially the ones who vote in Republican primaries. Has Cain been properly vetted to make sure that he's not too Black for national electoral politics? http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/25984986/Herman-Cain-Went-to-Morehouse-College.aspx
You want to know what's not fair? Having society (which includes, parents, peers, teachers and mentors) blow smoke up kids butt telling them that they can be whatever they want to be if they get go to school, work hard and get good grades only to be saddled with thousands of dollars of debt by the time they turn 21.
Often, older people, who either attended school when tuition was reasonable, or who didn’t attend college at all in an era when a high school diploma was enough of a qualification for a stable, middle-class career, tend to think this is all the entitled whining of spoiled kids.
They don’t understand that these kids accepted a home mortgage worth of debt before they ever even had a regular income, based on phony promises, and that the debt is inescapable, regardless of life circumstances or ability to pay.
And you know who it is fair for? Colleges and the banks who rake in all the dough.
Often, older people, who either attended school when tuition was reasonable, or who didn’t attend college at all in an era when a high school diploma was enough of a qualification for a stable, middle-class career, tend to think this is all the entitled whining of spoiled kids.
They don’t understand that these kids accepted a home mortgage worth of debt before they ever even had a regular income, based on phony promises, and that the debt is inescapable, regardless of life circumstances or ability to pay.
And you know who it is fair for? Colleges and the banks who rake in all the dough.
ROYAL BLUE
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Now, that's an interesting statement. It's easy to identify the problem, but as the great Herman Cain would say, "what's your solution to the problem?"
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A GOP Game Changer? By Keli Goff(MSNBC)
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wahines
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Herman Cain along with the Democrats and the Republicans are the problem. We go from getting rid of one problem and electing another problem. My trust is in Christ because the ones that the media is controlling and telling us to vote for is not following God. If Cain was, he would not run because of the corrupt things he would have to do once he is in that is against the God he say he serves.
J C
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I know.
And that's unfortunate. You're so close to the light, but will remain in darkness because that's what you choose. Quite sad.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe this old Chinese proverb is true - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"?
What is empowerment? What does that mean?
When we consider the role of government ... what is better for the people? To empower or to be a crutch?
Hmmmm.
Another interesting quote: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
The problem with people like you is that you assume that any handout or assistance from the government is "help". When, actually, the best help we can receive is the knowledge that we can provide for ourselves much better than the government ever can because the government by nature is inefficient at providing services.
Jagfan, I have worked since I was 14. Thanks to the Democratic Party and their policies, I was able to go to college, graduate, get a job, raise a family, pay a hella lot of taxes and soon retire. That's empowerment. What worries me about Cain and his ilk is my mom's generation who rely on SS and Medicare and the government for support. Cain and Laffer are Social Darwinists. I can respect your opinion and do not believe you are "brainwashed". I just don't agree with it. The debate is about the role of government. Don't forget it.
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SUJagFan
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I'm also talking about the role of government.
Congratulations on your accomplishments. However, is it possible you achieved those things despite the Democratic party and not because of it? What about those 35 year old men who are driving an Escalade but sleeping on mama's couch? What about those women who had four kids by three baby daddies so she could get more welfare? What's the difference between you and them? The policies of the Democratic party? Or Social Darwinism as you call it?
Also, I don't shy away from saying you're brainwashed. To use the words of Malcolm X "I say, and I'll say again, you've been had. You've been took. Bamboozled. Led astray. Run amok."
"You've got what's called White's Disease." Think you can't do anything without the assistance of the White Man. And it's pitiful.
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ROYAL BLUE
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Where in the bible does it say not to be a politician/judge because other politicians are crooked? Did you know the prophet Samuel had 2 sons and they were crooked judges? They were crooked by choice. In fact, this applies to anything a person does in life. Joseph of Arimathea was the uncle of Christ and an extremely rich Roman politician. It was impossible to be a Roman politician if you weren't rich. Joseph was the kinsman redeemer for the body of Christ, and that's why he was able to boldly claim the body of Christ from Pilate. Joseph wasn't crooked. You have choices and it's up to the individual to discern right from wrong. Cain is the solution because he's not afraid to stand for what's right. The problem is with folks who refuse to stand for what's right due to political correctness....that's the problem.
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J C
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The government can't do anything about that behavior. It has always existed, maybe not to the extent of today. The government didn't create trifling behavior. That's on the individual. Culture may be a factor. The community has to deal with this behavior not government.
crazylegs
Da' Franchise...
I think that's a pretty myopic and simplified way of explaining that type of behavior away.
Government policies don't 'influence' that type of behavior...that type of behavior doesn't spontaneously blossom forth because a constituency passes a welfare bill. It's learned behavior that has to be un-learned. That's not the government's responsibility.
the responsibility (collectively) is on us to take the steps necessary to change that behavior at the source. Cain reminds me of those cats that get a degree, then act like they're ashamed to associate with the same folks he came from. Graduating from Morehouse (i commend him for that, at least) gives him no more 'street cred' than Mitt Romney would have.
I watched the moderators of those debates throw him softball after softball in regards to his 'plan' and he couldn't even answer the basic stuff they were asking...:shame:
wahines
1_gsufan
It is your choice to vote for Cain and it is my choice to vote for neither side. While you are trying to convince people to vote for Cain, the REAL PLAYERS in this country already has the president picked.