There are a lot of students that don't get a chance to play sports in college and I fault the guidance counselors at these high schools and the parents. The Grambling-PV is the only real exposure in the Dallas area and we need to have more SWAC game in the Dallas area. Every kid want to make at the D-1 level and thats not the case and they are brainwashed from the start.
Texas High students not exposed to SWAC schools
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East Tex Tiger
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Texas Southern and UAPB should play in Dallas every year. Texas Southern should play a game in San Antonio every year. I think the Labor Day Classic would be huge in San Antonio.
Texas Southern vs Grambling drew well in San Antonio and the game site was decided very late.
Texas Southern vs UAPB drew well in Dallas.
Texas Southern does not have a stadium, so why not move around.
Texas Southern vs Grambling drew well in San Antonio and the game site was decided very late.
Texas Southern vs UAPB drew well in Dallas.
Texas Southern does not have a stadium, so why not move around.
Taylor-Made'90
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Who says there's no SWAC presence in Dallas?? Yes there is.... It's right off US75 on Mockingbird.....
SMU
Coach Barnett is a 'white version' of the typical SWAC coach... The Mustangs play SWAC football, even though they're not in the conference...
They 'chuck-n-duck' as well as any of our schools do.......
SMU
Coach Barnett is a 'white version' of the typical SWAC coach... The Mustangs play SWAC football, even though they're not in the conference...
They 'chuck-n-duck' as well as any of our schools do.......
the band fan
Baseball Fan
it's been tried in 1995 (TSU & JSU) and 1996 (UAPB & TSU)....didn't work..
SU and PV in 86 looked like it drew....
State Fair Classic is the only HBCU game in Dallas that will be successful unles someone who's willing to come in and outspend Al Wash in marketing...and that isn't happening
that game is several decades old and isn't going anywhere
SU and PV in 86 looked like it drew....
State Fair Classic is the only HBCU game in Dallas that will be successful unles someone who's willing to come in and outspend Al Wash in marketing...and that isn't happening
that game is several decades old and isn't going anywhere
East Tex Tiger
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I can not remember the Jackson game, I am sure I was there.
The TSUvs UAPB game drew in excess of 25,000.00 and there were 4 other college games played in Dallas on that same day.
The TSU game like most of our games was not decided until the month of the game and it still drew.
With proper planning and timeline it could draw 40-50,000.
juggarnaut91
2fingers in the air
I agree with that. But there were plenty of players in Houston that would have loved to go to a swac school- any SWAC school- but they are classified Special Ed and don't know the process of becoming D-I eligible, and these head coaches (black and white) not trying to help them. Once there high school eligibility is over they are disregarded. I personally wrote seven letters for seniors who hadn't been recruited and I'm only a position coach. 4 of those letters were to SWAC schools after signing day. A couple have been invited to walk on, but not offered a scholarship as of yet.
Are they really special ed? Or do you think they are incorrectly classified?
Da_Sperm
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UAPBPOWER,
The 1000+ yard rusher a few years ago for UAPB (Dwight ???) was from Arlington, TX. The QB before the current QB at UAPB was from Duncanville, TX. UAPB has gotten tons of players from the DFW area.
The head coach for the GSU girls basketball team was in attendance at the Heart of Texas Girls Showcase this past weekend. For an admission of $50 and the cost of 1 out of 83 recruiting days, I would think that all of the SWAC West coaches would have been there. There was plenty of talent that the SWAC can get out of that tournament as far as girls basketball is concerned.
Da_Sperm
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juggarnaut91
2fingers in the air
Some are OFFICIAL, Some just had bad behavior or a slight deficiency when they were younger and had that stigma stick because of lazy parents and professional educators, and its easier to navigate the TX educational system if you are in special ed (so some were\are probably just taking advantage of the system) they don't have to pass TAKS, and it takes an act of congress to fail them, and actually you can still go to college and take the SAT or ACT with modifications and make it easier(nobody usually tell the student athelete that).
philharmonic
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Panther88
Banned
That was Dwight McKissic from Arlington Lamar if memory serves correct Sperm. :tup: He REALLY developed and matriculated well @ PB.
I'm not too certain how a game here would do. Of course, the golden child (ut-ou) is going to sellout and the deal w/ PVU-GSU would normally do that 35K+ consistently.
It's not just the locals of color who attend the PV-GS game. From Longview (deep e-Texas) to Killeen/Austin to OKC, those are the people who travel here for the game. :tup: If you're banking on them, you'd better advertise, advertise, advertise. PV-GS have an "interesting" fanbase here. :read:
I'm not too certain how a game here would do. Of course, the golden child (ut-ou) is going to sellout and the deal w/ PVU-GSU would normally do that 35K+ consistently.
It's not just the locals of color who attend the PV-GS game. From Longview (deep e-Texas) to Killeen/Austin to OKC, those are the people who travel here for the game. :tup: If you're banking on them, you'd better advertise, advertise, advertise. PV-GS have an "interesting" fanbase here. :read:
Devil's Gun Trigger Man
onward and upward son!
they had a two-headed monster back there. It was McKissic and I think the other boy's name was Ron Johnson. They just never had a decent passing game.
philharmonic
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the band fan
Baseball Fan
that same team with those backs was beaten pretty easily by PV in 2001....that was a "happy" homecoming
As much as you all say...unless your willing to outspend Al Wash's deep pockets and find someone with the same connections, it's going to be hard to break even and pull a game off like that....
The timing of the GSU/PV game is hard to beat and by the time the other dates roll around it's playoff time for high school
Dallas folks are a hard crowd to figure out when it comes to football..only the established games are legitimate sales...
and now, with an AD of DISD that isn't as familiar with the SWAC, even the new stadium in the district would be hard to get
If Mathieu was there you had a shot of getting that stadium a little bit easier
As much as you all say...unless your willing to outspend Al Wash's deep pockets and find someone with the same connections, it's going to be hard to break even and pull a game off like that....
The timing of the GSU/PV game is hard to beat and by the time the other dates roll around it's playoff time for high school
Dallas folks are a hard crowd to figure out when it comes to football..only the established games are legitimate sales...
and now, with an AD of DISD that isn't as familiar with the SWAC, even the new stadium in the district would be hard to get
If Mathieu was there you had a shot of getting that stadium a little bit easier
HBCUs
Deep in Tha Heart of...
Excellent points, especially the Dallas idea.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
the bottom line is making a profit......who's willing to promote a game and put resources up front for two teams who don't have a history of playing in the area?
The only other guy I remembered who promoted games up there is out the business
The only other guy I remembered who promoted games up there is out the business
Da_Sperm
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The past couple of years, the GSU/PVU game attendance has been on the decline. I'm sure the hurricane may have had something to do with it. However, I'm thinking the first two schools that play in the new Cowboy Stadium will have the upper hand. The Cotton Bowl has already bailed out and UT/OU will likely follow. I don't see the city of Dallas putting too much into the Cotton Bowl for the PV/GSU game, they barely put the money into the stadium for the UT/OU game.
Six Flags isn't the Texas State Fair, but it sure could be a nice complement for a family atmosphere to a college game. Oh, Cowboy Stadium is going to be minutes away from Six Flags and the Texas Rangers stadium.
Six Flags isn't the Texas State Fair, but it sure could be a nice complement for a family atmosphere to a college game. Oh, Cowboy Stadium is going to be minutes away from Six Flags and the Texas Rangers stadium.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
Cotton Bowl Attendance
06 - 48K
05 - 27K (Hurricane)
04 - 61K
03 - 55K
02 - 42K
01 - 51K
the game has averaged 47,000 fans over a 6-year period....take away the 2005 troubles and it's back into the 50s...don't know what kind of decline you may speak of but those numbers are strong even though the game hasn't been competitive in quite some time.
The move to Cowboy Stadium may hurt the game if you ask me....The State Fair is close to the city, the Fair is a draw, etc....unless Arlington steps up the price tag for the schools I don't see the schools moving...That's a lot of space to fill in that stadium and do you really think Jerry Jones will reduce ticket prices for our game?
Dallas has been trained historically for only 2 regular season games....blacks have the state fair classic and whites have the UT/OU game...a third game has been discussed that the city wants but it will feature Texas Tech or Texas A&M.
A neutral, SWAC game will be a hard sell to sponsors in Dallas..after two major games they are maxed out....
look at Paul Quinn, they've played SWAC schools and couldn't draw flies to the school or games....yes, it's Paul Quinn but they are in a prime location where the average fan could walk up to the gate and watch football....however, they choose not to...
and again, Al Wash is a legitimate promoter and no promoter will take a risk in an area where Wash controls the major outlets...you would be surprised how hard it would be to advertise and get on the air if your trying to bring HBCU games to town not named GSU or PV.
06 - 48K
05 - 27K (Hurricane)
04 - 61K
03 - 55K
02 - 42K
01 - 51K
the game has averaged 47,000 fans over a 6-year period....take away the 2005 troubles and it's back into the 50s...don't know what kind of decline you may speak of but those numbers are strong even though the game hasn't been competitive in quite some time.
The move to Cowboy Stadium may hurt the game if you ask me....The State Fair is close to the city, the Fair is a draw, etc....unless Arlington steps up the price tag for the schools I don't see the schools moving...That's a lot of space to fill in that stadium and do you really think Jerry Jones will reduce ticket prices for our game?
Dallas has been trained historically for only 2 regular season games....blacks have the state fair classic and whites have the UT/OU game...a third game has been discussed that the city wants but it will feature Texas Tech or Texas A&M.
A neutral, SWAC game will be a hard sell to sponsors in Dallas..after two major games they are maxed out....
look at Paul Quinn, they've played SWAC schools and couldn't draw flies to the school or games....yes, it's Paul Quinn but they are in a prime location where the average fan could walk up to the gate and watch football....however, they choose not to...
and again, Al Wash is a legitimate promoter and no promoter will take a risk in an area where Wash controls the major outlets...you would be surprised how hard it would be to advertise and get on the air if your trying to bring HBCU games to town not named GSU or PV.
Da_Sperm
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TBF,
First of all, Jerry doesn't own the stadium, the city of Arlington does. Jerry simply agreed to lease it for 8 Sundays out of the year for the next 30 years. The city of Arlington has to find a way to occupy the stadium the remaining 357 days.
Secondly, I said the first 2 schools that play there will have the upper hand. I didn't say the first two SWAC schools. Texas and OU have pressured the city of Dallas to the point there is nothing else they can do to make them happy. The will be out of the Cotton Bowl in a few years, not to say they will play in Arlington because there is talk of them playing each other at home. Texas Tech and A&M will definitely play there (Arlington). If both Tech/A&M and UT/OU play in Arlington, there is no hope for anything at the Cotton Bowl, because there is nothing in it for the city of Dallas. Basically there is nothing in it for the city now as far as the State Fair Classic is concerned because we are not leaving money in Dallas like UT/OU.
How did 25K show up for the UAPB/TSU game in 1996 on the same day as the UT/OU game if it is so hard for anyone to compete with Al?
Personally, I would not want to see more than on HBCU game in Dallas. I think its good for HBCU football that GSU/PVU game is the only one here. It brings out every HBCU alumni to the game, even if they didn't attend either school.
My point is the game better looking into being played in Arlington when the Cowboy stadium opens. You can't compare the best arena on the face of the earth to the Cotton Bowl.
First of all, Jerry doesn't own the stadium, the city of Arlington does. Jerry simply agreed to lease it for 8 Sundays out of the year for the next 30 years. The city of Arlington has to find a way to occupy the stadium the remaining 357 days.
Secondly, I said the first 2 schools that play there will have the upper hand. I didn't say the first two SWAC schools. Texas and OU have pressured the city of Dallas to the point there is nothing else they can do to make them happy. The will be out of the Cotton Bowl in a few years, not to say they will play in Arlington because there is talk of them playing each other at home. Texas Tech and A&M will definitely play there (Arlington). If both Tech/A&M and UT/OU play in Arlington, there is no hope for anything at the Cotton Bowl, because there is nothing in it for the city of Dallas. Basically there is nothing in it for the city now as far as the State Fair Classic is concerned because we are not leaving money in Dallas like UT/OU.
How did 25K show up for the UAPB/TSU game in 1996 on the same day as the UT/OU game if it is so hard for anyone to compete with Al?
Personally, I would not want to see more than on HBCU game in Dallas. I think its good for HBCU football that GSU/PVU game is the only one here. It brings out every HBCU alumni to the game, even if they didn't attend either school.
My point is the game better looking into being played in Arlington when the Cowboy stadium opens. You can't compare the best arena on the face of the earth to the Cotton Bowl.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
if that's the case then the Labor Day Classic in Reliant Stadium should've been instant sellouts.....
please find this 25K for the 1996 game...if the game was successful why didn't it attempt to come back?
please find this 25K for the 1996 game...if the game was successful why didn't it attempt to come back?
Da_Sperm
New Member
Barry Switzer son was the QB for UAPB at the time and Switzer was the coach for the Cowboys. Who knows, maybe this was setup that way so that he can see his son play on Saturday and still coach on Sunday without the hassle of a lot of travel. Maybe once lil Switzer left UAPB and Big Switzer was no longer the coach of the Cowboys, there was no connection. Who knows why?
If the Cotton Bowl Game has already pulled out of the Cotton Bowl, UT/OU is putting the squeeze on the City of Dallas to the point there is almost nothing Dallas can do to keep that game at the Cotton Bowl, Texas Tech/Texas A&M looking to play at the new Cowboy stadium, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK GSU/PVU need to stay at the Cotton Bowl?
philharmonic
Living History!!!
That game was called the Gridiron Classic and the promotersfumbled the ball on a lot of details that year! Our AD didn't go for it the following year because the $$$ wasn't in place when it was needed! That's why!