Tennessee State leaving the OVC, Coming To SWAC?
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Robber
Consigliere
Ain't no picking and choosing for non-revenue sports. Even basketball. There are major advantages to having them in as a football member. They are practically useless for any other sport in terms of revenue. We don't need 'em. Like I said, just a lot more expense traveling for the other sports.mighty hornet said:
Jafus,
I'd take them either way. Expanding to 12 or just 11.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
rob,
Actually the picking and choosing I was referring to is football. Whats to stop current members from pulling a "ND". Independent in football, conference affiliation in the other sports.
Actually the picking and choosing I was referring to is football. Whats to stop current members from pulling a "ND". Independent in football, conference affiliation in the other sports.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Robber said:
This is the perfect time for TNState to try to get the 1-A conference started again. I just think they went about it the wrong way the last time. Wait, is this the same stupid AD that went to the SWAC and MEAC meetings and tried to steal their schools? I may need to rethink that.
Jafus (Thinker)
Well-Known Member
Robber,
I believe with a 12-member SWAC, the travel expense expenditures will be reduced.
I believe with a 12-member SWAC, the travel expense expenditures will be reduced.
CEE DOG
Well-Known Member
The funny thing is that some of their fans seem to think the SWAC is not a good deal for them. TnSU fans need to realize they are on the decline.
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staggalee83
War & Thunder
Just for football?...................All or nothing.:tdown:
bluedog
"Leader of Kings"
CEE DOG said:
That's the new heads CEE DOG. Those that have no sense of history and really can't think for themselves but let others think for them and that's why they're in this predicament now.
All the ole heads didn't buy it from the start and that's why they have such poor attendance, because the ole heads ain't supporting that stupidity.
AAMU Alum
Active Member
bluedog said:
Amen to that!
You should have heard some of those old heads we were speaking with Saturday.
As a couple of 'em told me (and I quote,) "we're tired of the OVC s**t, and giving all our money to these folks over here." "We outta be playing a game like this on campus over in The Hole."
pbla
Focus
I read some of those comments. I know one poster think that TNSU is better than the SWAC. I don't know if the majority of them felt that way or feel that way. But if the majority of them feel that way let them stay. Oreos man I tell ya. Again when I reading that comment about the SWAC IS WACK, I wonder why they are playing Jackson State?
staggalee83
War & Thunder
pbla said:
The first white HBCU gotta have some kind of way to make money on their football team.
MR. White folks dang sho ain't traveling to Nashville from anywhere in the OVC.
The OVC really don't want their arses and yet some of the TSU posters really think they are head and shoulders above the SWAC because of the OVC.
I see it here and on the MEAC page.
Far as I'm concerned, they can go Independent and schedule all IVY League schools.
Damm then ......................Give Skeege a call.
major095
ASU4real
staggalee83 said:The first white HBCU gotta have some kind of way to make money on their football team.
MR. White folks dang sho ain't traveling to Nashville from anywhere in the OVC.
The OVC really don't want their arses and yet some of the TSU posters really think they are head and shoulders above the SWAC because of the OVC.
I see it here and on the MEAC page.
Far as I'm concerned, they can go Independent and schedule all IVY League schools.
Damm then ......................Give Skeege a call.
I don't think there's much debate that top tier ovc schools will knock out swac schools in football. not to even begin to mention basketball. the winner of their conference is going to be a 14 seed, while the swac hasn't won a game in 10 years since the almost retired lindsey hunter was ball'n in jackson. so let's not be offend that they think their better b/c of ovc competition.
as for them coming to the conference. I don't think TnSU is intrested in being only a football member. she was just stating the obvious about the benefits of each conference. they would fit nicely into the east for the 12 teams needed to make the SCG a regular season event and also making the winner of the game again available to participate in the playoffs. If IAA does allow the 12th regular season game the playoffs would be pushed back at least one week, after the turkey day and bayou classics making 3 recent conference heavyweights playoff contenders. Putting them in the east would reduce travel for everyone...no more houston to huntsville trips for football and they might even go to an unbalanced basketball schedule as well so there wouldnt be a home and home each season with teams from the other division. It should be a priority for the swac office to investigate the possibility of adding TnSU to the conference.
major095
ASU4real
it would work similar to what c-usa does. and u don't need to schedule more money games. instead those extra spots could be filled w/ tourneys where u could meet some bigs on neutral floors where u stand a much better chance or starting home and home series w/ a school from a conference just a spot or 2 up. like get a home and home w/ mtsu or chattanooga. instead of playing at florida find a tourney where u can play ole miss away from oxford.
if u can build a descent schedule, be competitive against the bigs, and be around 20 wins a season u can start filling ur arena every year and there will be even less need for money games.
if u can build a descent schedule, be competitive against the bigs, and be around 20 wins a season u can start filling ur arena every year and there will be even less need for money games.
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
major095 said:
I can only speak for AAMU fans... but we would much rather like to see PV, SU, GSU, UAPB here than a MTSU, Chattanooga, or any MEAC school. The games we play against MEAC schools are EMPTY. White schools arent going to generate interest if isnt an SEC school. The concept you talking about would only take away more home games (if we attended tournaments on neutral floor)
major095
ASU4real
DAHILL said:
it shouldn't be about generating intrest. what ur saying is that the home team isn't intresting enough to come see regardless of the opponent. if you sell season tickets and play quality ball then it's not about who you can bring in to generate some buzz. a&m plays quality ball.....so you've got to get alumni, friends of the program to purchase tickets and they will. the real problem is that no one has asked them to do so. not a single swac school has put together a concerted effort to sell season tickets. alabama will have order forms in the montgomery advertiser along w/ a full page ad w/ ron steele and coach on there w/ schedule enticing u to be a part of the action. the hornets? hometown paper? nothing. we've got to get beyond who can we schedule to generate intrest. at some point the home team has got to fill the gym all by themselves.
as well, a loss to an mtsu or chattanooga does more for your rpi than a win at home to pvamu or txso. from a basketball point of view, that is rpi, tourney seeding it'd be much better to play a team up just a notch or 2 (not talking playing TX) and have a chance to win, have a home game, and boost the teams profile.
can't wait to see hester in action!
DAHILL
Well-Known Member
major095 said:
In a perfect world you are absolutely correct... but in reality fans are going to come out for certain teams.. I know first hand with the transition to the SWAC. In the SIAC we led the nation in D2 attendence for years... we SOLD OUT most games... because we had natural rival games almost every week with with teams like Morehouse, Clark, Lemoyne Owen, Albany State, Tuskegee. I will be honest SIAC games were much more exciting to WATCH than SWAC games... when we moved up... attendence went down because it wasnt the teams or style of play our fans were use to seeing.
Taylor-Made'90
I'm 'Citrix SSO' batch!!!
A suggestion for SWAC Re-Alignment...
SWAC East:
Tenn State
Alabama State
Miss Valley
Alabama A&M
Tuskegee
Jackson State
SWAC West:
Grambling
Arkansas PB
Southern
Alcorn St
Tex Southern
Prairie View
And as far as basketball scheduling goes, we simply expand the 'travel-partner' arrangement, and implement a 'touring' schedule. That cuts down on cross-country travel and saves expenses. Also, by switching to a Wed/Thurs/Sat schedule rotation allows for more games in fewer days...
Think on it....
SWAC East:
Tenn State
Alabama State
Miss Valley
Alabama A&M
Tuskegee
Jackson State
SWAC West:
Grambling
Arkansas PB
Southern
Alcorn St
Tex Southern
Prairie View
And as far as basketball scheduling goes, we simply expand the 'travel-partner' arrangement, and implement a 'touring' schedule. That cuts down on cross-country travel and saves expenses. Also, by switching to a Wed/Thurs/Sat schedule rotation allows for more games in fewer days...
Think on it....
Rat Patrol
New Member
TM-90,
This is a very intersting alignment. Now if you can add the possibility of the SWAC allowing their top teams to go to the playoffs, I think this should generate some meaningful conversation.
Tuskeegee should have their eyes open to this since they often claim a piece of the BC Championship when they have a good year. I've always said that you have to play the best to be the best. Until you do that, I can't respect it.
Same goes for any HBCU. Until a team makes some serious noise against others in the same division, how can you consider yourself the best or champion?
This is a very intersting alignment. Now if you can add the possibility of the SWAC allowing their top teams to go to the playoffs, I think this should generate some meaningful conversation.
Tuskeegee should have their eyes open to this since they often claim a piece of the BC Championship when they have a good year. I've always said that you have to play the best to be the best. Until you do that, I can't respect it.
Same goes for any HBCU. Until a team makes some serious noise against others in the same division, how can you consider yourself the best or champion?
College Gameday
100 Years Ice Cold
Man that west bracket is weak as hell: There are only two teams over hereTaylor-Made'90 said:
SUjagTILLiDIE
Well-Known Member
Tenn St. and JSU has been down so there are only two teams in the east also according to your logic.College Gameday said:
Taylor-Made'90
I'm 'Citrix SSO' batch!!!
College Gameday said:
Yeah, maybe so. But you can't have a West without having TexSouthern and PV in it... And you can't conceivably put UAPB in the East.
Maybe you'd have to have two 'arbitrary' divisions, and not divide them geographically.. Maybe something like:
SWAC 'American' Division:
Alabama A&M
Grambling
Jackson State
TexSouthern
Tuskegee
Valley
SWAC 'National' Division:
Alabama State
Alcorn
PV
Southern
TennState
UAPB
~~~~or align then vertically~~~~
SWAC North:
Alabama A&M
Grambling
Jackson St
TennState
UAPB
Valley
SWAC South:
Alabama State
Alcorn St
PV
Southern
TexSouthern
Tuskegee
But this schedule is still unbalanced... The North is clearly stronger.....
I don't know how you'd split it up.....
Just split them up. Things want always stay the same. No one wins all the time. There will be years when some of you so called Notre Dames will be down and the so called Tempels of the world will be up. Look at Florida over in the SEC. didnt win nothing for like a hundred years and all of the sutten.Started winning and winning big.Taylor-Made'90 said: